Transfer of WM 323s to Northern

Liam L · Wednesday at 13:59

D365 said:
Almost a shame really, as the 323s suited the WMT livery.

They did however they started to look tatty in my opinion.

I think there last 'proper' repaint was when they got painted into London Midland, the WMT livery was just a cover up of the LM green.

Jacob Porrett said:
They put them in the Northern colours quickly then haven't they.

2 a month pretty much.

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Snow1964 · Wednesday at 22:50

Northern tender for 17 units (plus option for extra 2 which might be leased) to refresh them to Northern standards (ex West Midlands)

Plan is to do them at Manchester MID starting September, with work to finish by April 2026 (when the roads in depot needed for Northern units to get ETCS upgrades)

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Northern (NTL) has 34 class 323's with 17 of these transferred from West Midlands Railway which are required to be brought in line with Northern's branding. The core aspect of the tender will be for 17 trainsets (51 vehicles) to be refreshed in line with NTL's specifications. The relevant specifications which can be provided upon request prior to the tender going live are; PBMP2835 NTL Class 323 Interior Refresh - Issue 1D3 SoFPB23022-002-Northern CL323 Schedule of Finishes-Draft 3 In addition to the 17x trainsets the tender will provide an option for 2x additional class 323 trainsets which NTL are looking at bring onto lease as to cover timetable requirements whilst various other fleets are being taken out of service for repair works outside of the scope of this tender. NTL cannot guarentee that these 2 units are going to go through refresh however NTL asks that bidders provide an optional price should these units be refreshed. The Unit numbers for the 17 are; 323202 323203 323205 323206 323207 323208 323209 323210 323212 323213 323217 323218 323219 323220 323241 323242 NTL intends for the winning bidder to undertake the works at NTL's Manchester International Depot (MID) with works to commence in September 2025 and run until April 2026. The First in Class unit will enter works and subject to winning bidders project plans will likely go through initial strip stage ahead of a 2nd unit being released into the project scope. From this point until project completion the Refresh programme will operate on a 2x unit holding as to reduce the overall project timescales. These timescales are outlined in order to manage bidders expectations for this tender in the following respects; 1. The commencement date of September is outlined as NTL is looking to issue this tender within the next couple of weeks and will then run a 1 staged tender process as to provide the winning bidder with as much mobilisation time as feasible. It is noted that the works of the refresh are relatively standard and that MID as a facility will require minimum modifications however as part of the tender bidders will be invited to MID as part of the assessment. 2. The end date of April 2026 is a key consideration for this project as various roads at MID are required for NTL's ETCS upgrade plans therefore slippage to this date is important to avoid. A Pre-Qualifying Criteria for bidders to be able to submit bids that will be evaluated for this tender is that Suppliers are registered with RISQs against RICCL Code E.E.2 Electrical Multiple Units.

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NTL may require 2x additional class 323's to be added to the refresh project

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Northern (NTL) has 34 class 323's with 17 of these transferred from West Midlands Railway which are ... A Prior Information Notice by Northern Trains.

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pokemonsuper9 · Thursday at 08:27

What depot is Manchester International Depot (MID), Longsight?

SLTRegular · Thursday at 09:12

323243 is missing off the tender ?

43096 · Thursday at 09:14

SLTRegular said:
323243 is missing off the tender ?

Only 16 units listed, so presumably an error as the document states 17 trains.

LowLevel · Thursday at 09:23

pokemonsuper9 said:
What depot is Manchester International Depot (MID), Longsight?

It's the never used for that purpose Eurostar depot on the down side opposite Longsight. I think Northern use it nowadays.

pokemonsuper9 · Thursday at 11:10

LowLevel said:
It's the never used for that purpose Eurostar depot on the down side opposite Longsight. I think Northern use it nowadays.

Ah! I thought that was just part of Longsight, makes sense.

RailKnight786 · Thursday at 11:16

Talking about Spares. On board 323235 and spares used throughout. WM Seat Cushions being used as replacements Wrong color handles presumably taken off another train with different Livery. And new backings or taken off WMR set.

Liam L · Thursday at 13:30

List: 24/04/2024

323202: In Service | Northern Livery | UNREFURBISHED - WMR INTERIOR
323203: In Service | Northern Livery | UNREFURBISHED - WMR INTERIOR
323205: In Service | Northern Livery | UNREFURBISHED - WMR INTERIOR
323206: In Service | Northern Livery | UNREFURBISHED - WMR INTERIOR
323207: In Service | Northern Livery | UNREFURBISHED - WMR INTERIOR
323208: In Service | Northern Livery UNREFURBISHED - WMR INTERIOR
323209: Not Worked Since WMT | Northern Livery | UNREFURBISHED - WMR INTERIOR
323210: In Service | Northern Livery | UNREFURBISHED - WMR INTERIOR
323212: In Service | Northern Livery | UNREFURBISHED - WMR INTERIOR
323213: In Service | Northern Livery | UNREFURBISHED - WMR INTERIOR / Northern Seat Covers
323217:In Service | Northern Livery | UNREFURBISHED - WMR INTERIOR
323218: In Service | Northern Livery | UNREFURBISHED - WMR INTERIOR
323219: In Service| Northern Livery | UNREFURBISHED - WMR INTERIOR
323220: In Service | Northern Livery | UNREFURBISHED - WMR INTERIOR
323241: In Service | Northern Livery | UNREFURBISHED - WMR INTERIOR
323242: In Service | Northern Livery | UNREFURBISHED - WMR INTERIOR
323243: Not Worked Since WMT | WMT Livery | UNREFURBISHED - WMR INTERIOR

Notes:

With the tender going out for refurb, I thought I'd add the notes of which units will remain refurbished, Obviously at the moment all units are still remain in the same condition par 323213 which has had new seat covers throughout.

With the news that Northern are also looking at bringing 2 more units into their fleet to cover timetable requirements, Just a note on the units which are currently in storage.

323201 , 204 , 211 , 214 , 215 , 216 , 221 , 222 , 240 - Long Marston (Storage)

Snow1964 · Thursday at 16:18

Liam L said:
With the news that Northern are also looking at bringing 2 more units into their fleet to cover timetable requirements, Just a note on the units which are currently in storage.

323201 , 204 , 211 , 214 , 215 , 216 , 221 , 222 , 240 - Long Marston (Storage)

I was wondering about the thinking for needing 2 extra to cover refurb period, but might be added to refresh (which suggests they would then keep them)

Rather suggests they are aiming for bare minimum to operate the timetable rather than taking on extras for any growth, or running more trains in multiple. I wonder how a plan for a refresh (which suggests being kept for few years) managed to arrive at either 17 or 19 will be required quantity in say 3 or 4 years time.

Liam L · Thursday at 19:57

Id imagine 214 might be a contender to be selected for Northern if they do decide to take two more with all the effort and imagine money spent to get it back working just before withdrawal.

Potteries 323 · 2025-04-26T09:58:11+0100

323209 in service today working Crewe-Manchester Piccadilly diagrams.

Liam L · 2025-04-26T16:46:34+0100

https://x.com/greatestgather/status/1915769800782995770

As it stands, 323243 should be making the trip for paint next weekend, no paths yet of course. I'm sure the thread will be updated in due course.

XCTurbostar · 2025-04-26T22:24:18+0100

Liam L said:
In other news, 323221 will be attending The Greatest Gathering Between Friday 1st August to Sunday 3rd August.

https://x.com/greatestgather/status/1915769800782995770

Interesting, hopefully they give it a clean beforehand!

Liam L · 2025-04-26T23:33:41+0100

XCTurbostar said:
Interesting, hopefully they give it a clean beforehand!

Id imagine they do that whilst they do the relevant work to make sure it's good for transit move to Derby

Geeves · 2025-04-27T15:55:28+0100

243 now its been fettled back to life will be (should be) on its way to Wolverton next weekend marking the end of the WM painted trains in the NW, well until the two "chosen" ones come out of store anyway

T74 · 2025-04-27T18:00:09+0100

Does anyone know yet what the two chosen ones are . ?

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