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Transfer of WM 323s to Northern

RailKnight786

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It's a shame the rest of the interior looks dated, hopefully a refurb will happen eventually..
It'll look good, when they're all done up.

Yes, it's just awaiting the work being done.
Definitely it's one of the last pre-refurbishment 323's in the fleet.

It's a shame the rest of the interior looks dated, hopefully a refurb will happen eventually..
They do need it desperately though. Would it simply just be a repaint and new LED's ? Or new panels needed too ?
 

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Interesting article in Feb's Modern Railways - "323s-say-bye-bye-brum" :

11th February 2025
Pan Up

No more Class 323s through New Street; another Aventra conquest...
...The ‘323s’ have had a good run; some remain in Manchester, but seven units now await their future at Long Marston.
I'm wondering if the refurb on the ex-WM 323s is awaiting the next C6 overhaul - this was last undertaken 2018-2020 - so must be coming back round again (6/7-year cycle)?
 
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Usual repaint swaps this weekend

219 coming out with another going in

5H70 0841 Allerton Depot to Wolverton Centre Sidings

5N36 1317 Wolverton Centre Sidings to Allerton Depot
 

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Usual repaint swaps this weekend

219 coming out with another going in

5H70 0841 Allerton Depot to Wolverton Centre Sidings

5N36 1317 Wolverton Centre Sidings to Allerton Depot
323206 has gone to Wolverton; videoed it passing Crewe this morning! Still from said video attached!
 

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List: 22/02/2024

323202: In Service | WMT Livery
323203: In Service | Northern Livery
323205: In Service | Northern Livery
323206: In Service | Northern Livery
323207: In Service | Northern Livery
323208: In Service | Northern Livery
323209: Not Worked Since WMT | WMT Livery
323210: In Service | Northern Livery
323212: In Service | Northern Livery
323213: In Service | Northern Livery | Northern seat cushions (To allow spares for other WMT ones)
323217:In Service | Northern Livery
323218: In Service | WMT Livery
323219: In Service| Northern Livery
323220: In Service | Northern Livery
323241: Not Worked Since WMT | WMT Livery
323242: In Service | Northern Livery
323243: Not Worked Since WMT | WMT Livery

Updates:
219 returns from repaint with 206 going in.

Down to final 5 WMR livery units, 202, 209, 218, 241, 243

209, 241, 243 still yet to carry passengers
 

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On another note, does anyone know what’s happened to 323217? Had it not long after it came out but I haven’t seen anything of it recently!
 

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On another note, does anyone know what’s happened to 323217? Had it not long after it came out but I haven’t seen anything of it recently!
It's had quite a few things wrong with it including a leaking transformer. As these items are difficult to get hold of and take a while other bits have gone missing to keep the rest of the fleet running, so it has to now be rebuilt before coming back into service (currently estimated as 1st March).
 

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It's had quite a few things wrong with it including a leaking transformer. As these items are difficult to get hold of and take a while other bits have gone missing to keep the rest of the fleet running, so it has to now be rebuilt before coming back into service (currently estimated as 1st March).
Cheers for that!
 

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It's had quite a few things wrong with it including a leaking transformer. As these items are difficult to get hold of and take a while other bits have gone missing to keep the rest of the fleet running, so it has to now be rebuilt before coming back into service (currently estimated as 1st March).
Is it just possible as time goes on, due to the parts being hard and difficult to get hold of, for the 323s currently in active service at Northern, if not already done so, and as parts get even harder to get, or impossible to get, they might start using the parts and stripping the 323s currently in store at Long Marston, as parts donors,
So they can support and supply Northern with the parts it's needs to keep other's running it at all known. Thank You
 

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It's had quite a few things wrong with it including a leaking transformer. As these items are difficult to get hold of and take a while other bits have gone missing to keep the rest of the fleet running, so it has to now be rebuilt before coming back into service (currently estimated as 1st March).
I do wonder if Northern are not wanting to take the remaining 9, Would it be useful if they could start taking spares off them to keep the 34 with Northern going?
 

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Looks like repaint swaps this weekend with 323242 returning to allerton and another one going..

5H70 0841 Allerton Depot to Wolverton Centre Sidings

5N36 1303 Wolverton Centre Sidings to Allerton Depot

Remaining units in WMR are: 202/209/218/241/243

List: 08/03/2025

323202: In Service | WMT Livery
323203: In Service | Northern Livery
323205: In Service | Northern Livery
323206: In Service | Northern Livery
323207: In Service | Northern Livery
323208: In Service | Northern Livery
323209: Not Worked Since WMT | WMT Livery
323210: In Service | Northern Livery
323212: In Service | Northern Livery
323213: In Service | Northern Livery | Northern seat cushions (To allow spares for other WMT ones)
323217:In Service | Northern Livery
323218: In Service | WMT Livery
323219: In Service| Northern Livery
323220: In Service | Northern Livery
323241: Not Worked Since WMT | Northern Livery
323242: In Service | Northern Livery
323243: Not Worked Since WMT | WMT Livery

323241 in for repaint today with 323242 returning to Allerton.

4 units left in WMT colours, 202, 209 , 218 & 243 which is missing parts still.

No new entries into service since my last post.
 
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Just the single path in so far for the weekend,

5H70 0841 Allerton Depot to Wolverton Centre Sidings

I presume there will be a return path for 206 put in before Saturday.

Only 4 units left to be done, 202, 209, 218 & 243. I presume 243 is still not fit to run so won't be on this weekend run

Should be 323209.
 
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206 looking great about to set off back north. Thanks Alan!
 

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206 looking great about to set off back north. Thanks Alan!
Looks much better now, I seem to recall it being one of the tatty ones due to graffiti damage ripping off some of the vinyl's which were never put back

List: 22/03/2025

323202: In Service | WMT Livery
323203: In Service | Northern Livery
323205: In Service | Northern Livery
323206: In Service | Northern Livery
323207: In Service | Northern Livery
323208: In Service | Northern Livery
323209: Not Worked Since WMT | Northern Livery
323210: In Service | Northern Livery
323212: In Service | Northern Livery
323213: In Service | Northern Livery | Northern seat cushions (To allow spares for other WMT ones)
323217:In Service | Northern Livery
323218: In Service | WMT Livery
323219: In Service| Northern Livery
323220: In Service | Northern Livery
323241: Not Worked Since WMT | Northern Livery
323242: In Service | Northern Livery
323243: Not Worked Since WMT | WMT Livery

No new entries into service
209 into repaint at Wolverton.

202, 218 & 243 left in WMT colours with the first two being in regular use, 243 still out of traffic awaiting parts.
 

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On 219 this morning. Old set up. Old CCTV and no USB charging ports.

323218 Last Night in Stockport. Still looking good in EX- WMR Livery.
That's surprising! In the run-down of the 323's on the Birmingham Crosscity line last year, you could tell which ones were going to Northern - they were the ones with USB charging points.
 

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That's surprising! In the run-down of the 323's on the Birmingham Crosscity line last year, you could tell which ones were going to Northern - they were the ones with USB charging points.
5 units never got completed, I'd imagine delivering the service was more important given the fleet was made smaller before a 730 even ran on the cross city.
 

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5 units never got completed, I'd imagine delivering the service was more important given the fleet was made smaller before a 730 even ran on the cross city.
That's a fair point, although when the first 730 entered service on 15th April, only four had transferred to Northern.

All 17 units had transferred by 8th July and four diagrams (of eleven) were still operated by the remaining 9 323's.
 

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Apologies if this has been asked before, but how often do 323s appear on the Liverpool to Blackpool service and when did they start? I noticed 323235 working this route today, the first time I've seen a 323 on it.
 

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Apologies if this has been asked before, but how often do 323s appear on the Liverpool to Blackpool service and when did they start? I noticed 323235 working this route today, the first time I've seen a 323 on it.

I will check on Tuesday for definite but it usually is just the one 323. The rest are 331s
 

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I will check on Tuesday for definite but it usually is just the one 323. The rest are 331s
Thanks. There is usually a 323 on the Liverpool to Wigan stopper (Monday to Saturday) with a second one added post-peak from the Liv to Man Vic turn, but I don't think any are diagrammed for Liverpool to Blackpool work at the moment. Could 235's outing yesterday have been the first 323 on this service?
 

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22.15 (1N86) Liverpool-Blackpool has been a 323 for a while now. I think since December. It is booked for 219 tonight,

sure I’ve seen it as a 6 car as well sometimes
 

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22.15 (1N86) Liverpool-Blackpool has been a 323 for a while now. I think since December. It is booked for 219 tonight,

sure I’ve seen it as a 6 car as well sometimes
Brilliant; I shall try for that in the coming weeks. Many thanks indeed.
 

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Just thought will having a look for Prod_pep's 323 Id see what the fleet is doing today

202 - Wilmslow - Ardwick - Hazel Grove
203 + 236 - Blackpool N - Airport
205 - Picc - Hadfield - Glossop
206 - Springs Branch
207 + 237 Blackpool N - Allerton 5Z85
208 - Picc - Crewe
209 - Wolverton
210 - Allerton
212 - Picc - Crewe
213 - Picc - Hadfield - Glossop
217 - Allerton?
218 - Picc - Alderley Edge
219 + 242 - Blackpool N - Airport
220 - Picc - Stoke - Crewe
223 - Picc - Crewe
224 - Allerton?
225 - Picc - Hadfield - Glossop
226 - Allerton
227 - Picc - Stoke on Trent
228 - Picc - Stoke on Trent
229 - Picc - Stoke on Trent
230 - Allerton?
231 - Allerton
232 - Allerton
233 - Allerton
234 - Longsight
235 - Picc - Crewe
238 - Liverpool LS - Wigan (later 2215 Blackpool N)
239 - Picc - Crewe
241 - Wolverton
243 - Allerton?


Quite a few with no locations hence the question marks but assuming they are still in the yard at Allerton. Looks like the ex Birmingham units are doing better than their long time northern cousins
 

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Just thought will having a look for Prod_pep's 323 Id see what the fleet is doing today

202 - Wilmslow - Ardwick - Hazel Grove
203 + 236 - Blackpool N - Airport
205 - Picc - Hadfield - Glossop
206 - Springs Branch
207 + 237 Blackpool N - Allerton 5Z85
208 - Picc - Crewe
209 - Wolverton
210 - Allerton
212 - Picc - Crewe
213 - Picc - Hadfield - Glossop
217 - Allerton?
218 - Picc - Alderley Edge
219 + 242 - Blackpool N - Airport
220 - Picc - Stoke - Crewe
223 - Picc - Crewe
224 - Allerton?
225 - Picc - Hadfield - Glossop
226 - Allerton
227 - Picc - Stoke on Trent
228 - Picc - Stoke on Trent
229 - Picc - Stoke on Trent
230 - Allerton?
231 - Allerton
232 - Allerton
233 - Allerton
234 - Longsight
235 - Picc - Crewe
238 - Liverpool LS - Wigan (later 2215 Blackpool N)
239 - Picc - Crewe
241 - Wolverton
243 - Allerton?


Quite a few with no locations hence the question marks but assuming they are still in the yard at Allerton. Looks like the ex Birmingham units are doing better than their long time northern cousins
The Birmingham fleet has always been better than the Northern home fleet :lol:

243 is still on allerton (awaiting a transformer I believe?)
 

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