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Transpennine Route Upgrade and Electrification updates

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Not seen it anywhere but it was mentioned earlier in the thread about a new Garforth station midway between the current two but this new footbridge suggests that isn't planned. Replacing the two stations with one would make complete sense allowing the proposed one just east of Crossgates to be added with no journey time penalty.

At least the old footbridge is cleared for electrification from outside the TRU budget.
 

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Not seen it anywhere but it was mentioned earlier in the thread about a new Garforth station midway between the current two but this new footbridge suggests that isn't planned. Replacing the two stations with one would make complete sense allowing the proposed one just east of Crossgates to be added with no journey time penalty.

At least the old footbridge is cleared for electrification from outside the TRU budget.
Is the location of East Garforth station not suitable for the local residents?
 

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I think the discussion about Garforth was in this short thread.

A good rule of thumb in this forum is "there's always an earlier thread about it", so I suppose that rule may apply in this case too.
 

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Not seen it anywhere but it was mentioned earlier in the thread about a new Garforth station midway between the current two but this new footbridge suggests that isn't planned. Replacing the two stations with one would make complete sense allowing the proposed one just east of Crossgates to be added with no journey time penalty.

At least the old footbridge is cleared for electrification from outside the TRU budget.
As I understand it the idea of replacing the two Garforth stations with one in between the two was (at least mostly) speculative. There's certainly a good case to be made for doing so, but I don't think it's being taken forward currently.
Is the location of East Garforth station not suitable for the local residents?
If a joint station was to be built, it probably isn't beyond the realms of possibility to maintain access to the combined station from the current entrance sites of both. Depending on how long the platforms are, that could mean a walk of a few hundred yards from one or the other though.
Whether current access points would actually be retained is another matter though: see the new White Rose Centre station compared with Cottingley as an example.
 

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That stunning* new bridge doesn't preclude a merged Garforth-East Garforth station as would provide access to the car park (which wouldn't be moving - no space anywhere else) and main road. A bit like Chapeltown in South Yorkshire being built a bit further along from the old platforms, with access to the north-bound platform via the old one linking up to the main road and bridge.
 

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I think the discussion about Garforth was in this short thread.

A good rule of thumb in this forum is "there's always an earlier thread about it", so I suppose that rule may apply in this case too.
I would rather listen to information from official sources when matters have already proceeded and the funds are there to allow matters to be completed.
 

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£6 million and it doesn't even have shelter from the rain?
According to the brochure the standard version is covered. It doesn't say exactly what the criteria are for deciding to use an uncovered version (beyond cost), but I'm guessing stations being unstaffed might be reason (to avoid undesirables hanging around / safer feel etc). What I'm puzzling about - never mind graffiti - is who is going to keep all that glass clean?

 

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Batley - Former Adwalton line at Lady Anne crossing.

Still grading the embankment and footpath with some services starting to be installed.

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Rutland Road

Concrete pouring today from Rutland road for the footbridge support below - down Huddersfield line.

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The photos don’t fully describe the amount of work now going in to the area. A real focus towards finishing the hard landscaping before the bridge is installed.

Best guess on the bridge installation would be the blockade in June rather than this weekend - but you never know!
 

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What is the Garforth station area like for miscreants? That sure is a lot of glass.
Garforth is one of the nicer areas of Leeds but i see your point. If the glass was to get broken, would it result in the footbridge being shut and passengers unable to access the eastbound platform?
 

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Garforth is one of the nicer areas of Leeds but i see your point. If the glass was to get broken, would it result in the footbridge being shut and passengers unable to access the eastbound platform?
After their experience with Kirkstall Forge and all of the shattered glass there, I don’t think that Network Rail would want to install any more glass overbridges.

Also, let’s hope that this bridge holds up better than recent installations. Attached is the overbridge at Bromsgrove which was installed in 2017/2018.

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After their experience with Kirkstall Forge and all of the shattered glass there, I don’t think that Network Rail would want to install any more glass overbridges.

Also, let’s hope that this bridge holds up better than recent installations. Attached is the overbridge at Bromsgrove which was installed in 2017/2018.

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I remember the steps were badly corroded on the similar bridge at Fareham within months of installation. I suspect the steelwork contractor’s QA wasn’t that good. The non-slip surfaces were bulging up and uneven in places because of rust underneath.
 

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Garforth is one of the nicer areas of Leeds but i see your point. If the glass was to get broken, would it result in the footbridge being shut and passengers unable to access the eastbound platform?
You'd think it will be Toughened/laminated glass that won't shatter.
 

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I remember the steps were badly corroded on the similar bridge at Fareham within months of installation. I suspect the steelwork contractor’s QA wasn’t that good. The non-slip surfaces were bulging up and uneven in places because of rust underneath.
That which is emboldened above sounds very much like a contravention of Health and Safety Regulations.
 

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After their experience with Kirkstall Forge and all of the shattered glass there, I don’t think that Network Rail would want to install any more glass overbridges.

Also, let’s hope that this bridge holds up better than recent installations. Attached is the overbridge at Bromsgrove which was installed in 2017/2018.

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That's shocking degradation in such a short space of time.
 

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I don't know whether this is related to TRU. I think the word "stunning" is a bit of an exaggeraation.

From the linked article:-

Chris Wright, Senior Sponsor for Network Rail, said: “The Beacon bridge has been designed with increased focus on people and place..."
Anyone who uses the word "place" in this manner ought to have their opinions automatically discarded (in fact when I'm Supreme Leader it will be a capital offence to use the singular word 'place' as a noun without a qualifier or article).

In my experience using this, or it's cousin "sense of place" is Public Sector speak for "we're going to do provide something tedious and rubbish, but it's going to cost eyewatering sums of money, so we got a consultant in to justify our mediocrity by ticking a lot of boxes and writing all the Approved Buzzwords in our documents". So it seems is the case here, too!
 

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£6 million and it doesn't even have shelter from the rain?
Looks like there's a tad more shelter with that bridge though than the new one going up on the Eastern end of Dawlish station. Wouldn't fancy trying to cross that in a storm!
 

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Looks like there's a tad more shelter with that bridge though than the new one going up on the Eastern end of Dawlish station. Wouldn't fancy trying to cross that in a storm!
Though if a storm is happening, isn't the usual mode of operation along the sea wall to adopt single line working on the up (land-side) line? So if trains can run at all, there would be no requirement to cross that bridge in order to board (or alight from) a train.
 

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Poorly specced paint's my likely guess.
I haven't seen a bridge similar to Bromsgrove's elsewhere in the UK, so I think the steelwork subcontractor had no standard NR design to refer to.
I’m sure you’re right, but what contractor on a £m+ job can’t paint steelwork properly? It’s not as if this is a novel concept. Someone somewhere not doing their job properly…
 

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Poorly specced paint's my likely guess.
I haven't seen a bridge similar to Bromsgrove's elsewhere in the UK, so I think the steelwork subcontractor had no standard NR design to refer to.

Salford Crescent and Birchwood are very similar and equally as rusty :(
 

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After their experience with Kirkstall Forge and all of the shattered glass there, I don’t think that Network Rail would want to install any more glass overbridges.

Also, let’s hope that this bridge holds up better than recent installations. Attached is the overbridge at Bromsgrove which was installed in 2017/2018.

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We all know Network Rail has a major issue maintaining Victorian infrastructure but rust prevention and protection used on modern steel structures is very poor. Across the nation there's corroding steelwork everywhere. A most corroded structure thread would gathe very many examples - this not the worst part of the long footbridge at Swinton (South Yorkshire).

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Poorly specced paint's my likely guess.
I haven't seen a bridge similar to Bromsgrove's elsewhere in the UK, so I think the steelwork subcontractor had no standard NR design to refer to.
I’m sure you’re right, but what contractor on a £m+ job can’t paint steelwork properly? It’s not as if this is a novel concept. Someone somewhere not doing their job properly…
In the late 90s before moving to the USA, I taught the Masters Course at Imperial College London "Corrosion of Engineering Materials". I did the Paint and Coatings module.

I pointed out and taught,
  1. Mobilise to site (cost)
  2. set up scaffolding and hire (cost)
  3. Surface prep - absolutely key (cost)
  4. Labour etc (high cost)
  5. Paint/Coating - usually about 5% of the total job cost -possibly 10% max - but where do people try and scrimp and save - on the paint
Paint/Coating is usually the lowest part of a job cost -but it is where people usually dont say -this is where will spend the money and be safe.

(and yes I know- I am biased!)
 

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