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Transpennine woes and a moan...

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Starmill

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Operation Princess all over again....
I disagree. Operation Princess produced significant genuine improvements in service frequency which lasted nearly 20 years.

That hasn't happened with TPE...

OK that's not entirely fair. Saltburn to Middlesbrough will have gone from 2tph to 3tph. Big deal!
 
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If a RDW and pay deal is reached speaking as someone who works for said TOC I would expect a fairly decent service to return. Still a lot of training to complete but with RDW that could get underway properly. Sadly it appears the government aren't interested in resolving this dispute any time soon.
Interesting. I also suppose that the longer the dispute runs the bigger risk that training is suddenly elapsing and you’re stuck in a never ending cycle chasing yourself.
Strikes, people finishing work for xmas and extensive Xmas engineering work will mask it for a few weeks I think..

I suspect January, when everyone returns to work again, will be tough.. Dont see how our diagrams are going to work at all...
Crew or stock? Although I suspect the answer might be both
 

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At least TPE can be bothered to run some trains all day on the 15th unlike a couple of other operators.
 

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At least TPE can be bothered to run some trains all day on the 15th unlike a couple of other operators.

Given my experience Manchester-Cleethorpes-Manchester yesterday (Saturday) where there were a slew of cancellations and services stopping/starting short at Sheffield I would be wary of any claim by TPE of providing any reliable day, strike day or not.

A complete and utter unreliable shambles: so sad to see the continual decline in reliable train services. My trip will be free thanks to delay repay, though that's not really the point.
 

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On the upside at least theyve finally increased the route so now tpe will serve saltburn
 

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And as many have predicted, have already canned some of their services under the new timetable

From the Yorkshire Post just now

TransPennine Express has suspended almost half of the new additional services being introduced as part of bi-annual timetable changes, it has been revealed.

The December 2022 timetable, being introduced from today (Sunday), includes 26 additional services from TPE across the North.

But a stakeholder document, reported on Twitter by Financial Times journalist Jennifer Williams, has revealed the company is putting 12 of them on a partial or temporary hold. It follows on from thousands of train services being cancelled in recent months across different operators due to ongoing staffing issues.

The document states: “Whilst at the December 2022 timetable change the base timetable should see the introduction of 26 additional services per week day, we will on a temporary basis suspend in full or part the following 12 services from the outset.”

Those being affected include the 3.59am from Manchester Airport to Scarborough; the 5.00am from Manchester Victoria to Saltburn; the 6.14am from Liverpool to Cleethorpes which will instead start from Manchester Oxford Road at 7.08am; the 8.45am train from Saltburn to Manchester Airport and the 8.45am service from Scarborough to Manchester.

Also affected are the 12.44pm train from Manchester Airport to Saltburn; the 4.44pm Manchester Airport to Saltburn service which will stop in York; the 4.51pm Saltburn to Manchester Airport service; the 5.30pm Manchester to Scarborough service; the 8.40pm Manchester Airport to York service; the 8.51pm Saltburn to York train and a 10.45pm service between Scarborough and Manchester.

New timetables being introduced nationally from today will see a number of routes which suffered cuts earlier this year having more trains scheduled.

But there is concern that the failure to resolve staffing issues means the cancellation of thousands of trains in recent months will continue.

Many rail workers are refusing to volunteer for shifts on their rest days amid long-running industrial relations disputes. Operators will be heavily restricted in using new timetables next week due to strikes by members of the Rail, Maritime and Transport (RMT) union on December 13, 14, 16 and 17.

There is also a backlog with training new staff due to the coronavirus pandemic.

Operators have often resorted to removing trains from schedules the night before, meaning they are not officially classed as cancelled.

Timetable changes by TPE – one of the companies most affected by staffing problems – include reintroducing services between Manchester and Scotland via the West Coast Main Line and extending the route between Cleethorpes in Lincolnshire and Manchester to serve Liverpool.

A spokesperson for TransPennine Express said: “The December timetable change will see TPE introduce a small number of additional services per day across the network. Key to this will be the return of several services on the West Coast Mainline between Manchester (including the airport) and Scotland, as well as the extension of the Cleethorpes services to Liverpool Lime Street via Warrington. These are modest enhancements designed to improve connectivity on key routes and to work alongside the timetables of other operators.”

The spokesperson added: “This timetable is planned for the medium to long-term and it is important to ensure we are prepared, when operational challenges allow, to provide the services our customers need. However, the delivery of the timetable will be challenging from the outset as we continue to experience traincrew availability issues – ongoing high levels of sickness and an unprecedented training backlog – that have caused disruption for customers in recent months. Where cancellations and amendments are necessary, we will ensure these are communicated quickly and clearly to our customers.”

Earlier this week, Henri Murison, chief executive of business group Northern Powerhouse Partnership, expressed concern that the changes will not lead to improved performance with expected cancellations on the cards.

He said: “We needed a rest day working agreement by the end of last week in order to speed up the training process for new drivers, which is the root cause of this chaos on our railways.

“Having missed that deadline, TransPennine Express will not have enough fully trained drivers ready when the timetable change comes into effect this Sunday, meaning we’re likely to see continued disruption for the foreseeable.

“Instead of cancelling trains the night before, TPE should avoid putting in the timetable the services they know they won’t be able to run.”

Mayor of West Yorkshire Tracy Brabin said she has been “pushing operators and Government to reinstate rail services that provide a lifeline to so many people in our region” as post-pandemic demand for train travel has “recovered more quickly in the North” than elsewhere.

She went on: “The revised timetable must deliver a more reliable service for passengers because our communities need a network that they can rely on to get to work, school or college.”

 

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Tomorrow is going to be a total disaster! I've seen the list of cancellations tomorrow and it is embarrassing. A shed load of Newcastle to Manchester Piccadilly services binned. Which has a big effect on passengers attempting to travel between Northallerton and Darlington/Newcastle has it was already been reduced from tomorrow from hourly to 2 hourly by TPE.
 

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Looking at the TPE web pages they are already showing around 70 cancellations for Monday. As someone who can't drive and has to rely on public transport, this is a nuisance. The unreliability of the service is disappointing to say the least. We refer to TPE in our household as Trans Pennine Distress.
 

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Indeed. 73 full and 20 part-cancellations for tomorrow (all the cancellations are for tomorrow; 2 of the "train service updates" - a euphemism if ever there was one - are for today):

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That's about half of their services.
 

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Extending an already unreliable service to Liverpool (from Cleethorpes) when NT have abandoned many of their recently extended services running through Oxford Road is madness.

Evidenced by a 50% cancellation rate on day 1 of the service.
 

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Extending an already unreliable service to Liverpool (from Cleethorpes) when NT have abandoned many of their recently extended services running through Oxford Road is madness.

Evidenced by a 50% cancellation rate on day 1 of the service.
As many all along the existing route have been warning would happen right back to the consultation stage - although we only warned of major delays not wholesale cancellations.
 

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As many all along the existing route have been warning would happen right back to the consultation stage - although we only warned of major delays not wholesale cancellations.
What amazes me is the 'Head in a bucket of sand' attitude of those in charge at TPE. Its obvious TPE dont have the resources to run the new timetable, as evidenced by the daily cancellations of a good part the old timetable. To be honest its unacceptable.

At the very least the passengers have a right to expect an 'honest' timetable, i.e. something that is deliverable with current resources, and in any other industry there would accusations of fraud. If you try and sell something (in this case tickets) which you have no hope of delivering then you would face at the very least civil action and possibly criminal action, I am not a lawyer but 'obtaining money by false pretences' comes to mind.

People who frequent these forums are aware of the issues, and know what the possible outcomes are, but passengers who have no interest in railways beyond a desire to get from A to B will see a service in the timetable and book it in good faith.

Hopefully the press/media will make some noise, because if things carry on as they are passenger numbers will plummet, and looking forwards there will come a point where the treasury will demand cuts which result in a Beeching/Serpell mark 2. This scenario is in no ones interest but everytime there is another meltdown to me seems to be a step closer.
 

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Extending an already unreliable service to Liverpool (from Cleethorpes) when NT have abandoned many of their recently extended services running through Oxford Road is madness.

Evidenced by a 50% cancellation rate on day 1 of the service.

And Northern link 2 drivers at Piccadilly all still have competency & could do the express work Picc to Lime St as we did until the reduced timetable last year.
 

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There wasn't a service from Huddersfield to Leeds, neither fast or slow from 0654 to 0832 this morning

0646 Saltburn - Delayed, ran at 0652
0649 Leeds (Slow) - Delayed, ran at 0654
0701 Hull - CANCELLED
0717 Newcastle - CANCELLED
0730 Newcastle - CANCELLED
0746 Saltburn - CANCELLED
0749 Leeds (Slow) - CANCELLED
0800 Hull - CANCELLED
0812 Scarborough - Delayed, ran at 0832
0829 Newcastle - CANCELLED

Can you imagine if this list was SWR or GTR services into London?
 
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I travel quite regularly BDI - MANV, calder valley, peak times. I`ve done the commute for about 18 months now and the service is generally excellent.

One particular day i had to travel LDS - MANP and what a disaster. Trains cancelled, trains delayed and also twice the price. Never again.
 

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Absolute farce today: those trains Liverpool - Cleethorpes and vv that are running, seem to be starting/ending short at Manchester. Then there this little gem:


12/12/22 18:19 Liverpool Lime Street to Cleethorpes due 21:50 will be started from Manchester Piccadilly and terminated at Sheffield.

This echoes my experience on Saturday - many services stopping/starting in Sheffield.
 

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I've decided to play safe and am returning from Manchester on a Northern 195 this evening, to be followed by a cross-Bradford scamper. I arrived at Vic in time to hear the announcement that the 17:15 TPE was cancelled. 17:30 Hull is running, but may be cosy.

New timetable. Same old chaos.

Edit: Turns out that the missing 17:15 from Vic is running, but ran direct from Pic to Stalybridge as it was half an hour late.
 

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I've decided to play safe and am returning from Manchester on a Northern 195 this evening, to be followed by a cross-Bradford scamper. I arrived at Vic in time to hear the announcement that the 17:15 TPE was cancelled. 17:30 Hull is running, but may be cosy.
Any excuse for a diversion to the Jacob's Well or the Corn Dolly for a swift pint on the way home! ;)
 

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ITV Calendar featured TPE services on South Pennine tonight filmed at Scunthorpe and Dore & Totley (in soft focus). Both stations feature in the worst 50 in tbe country for punctuality of trains. Close examination of Ontimetrains.co.uk website will show TPE served stations take up a disproportionately high number of places in the worst stations league table.
 

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I’ve travelled from Edinburgh to Keswick, via Penrith, today.

I had looked at recenttraintimes, which showed the 0812 ex EDB (TPE to Man airport) as having run every day last week, but the 1012 having been cancelled every day. So we went to Waverley in time for the 0812 … we got on the train, but it was cancelled at the departure time due to lack of a guard.

Next departure was the 0852 Avanti, which is one of thew few EDB to EUS not scheduled to stop at Penrith. It left very late due to overhead issues near Haymarket. I requested an additional stop at Penrith, which was denied. So we changed at Carlisle onto the TPE service that was the 1012 from EDB - which did actually run. (Considered getting an 1100 bus from Carlisle to Keswick, but the train was a bit too late to make it.)

So arrival at Penrith, and hence Keswick, was 2 hours late.

Interestingly, none of the trains were overloaded despite likely having many passengers from previous cancellled services on board.

We’re returning on Thursday - wish us luck!!!
 

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I’ve travelled from Edinburgh to Keswick, via Penrith, today.

I had looked at recenttraintimes, which showed the 0812 ex EDB (TPE to Man airport) as having run every day last week, but the 1012 having been cancelled every day. So we went to Waverley in time for the 0812 … we got on the train, but it was cancelled at the departure time due to lack of a guard.

Next departure was the 0852 Avanti, which is one of thew few EDB to EUS not scheduled to stop at Penrith. It left very late due to overhead issues near Haymarket. I requested an additional stop at Penrith, which was denied. So we changed at Carlisle onto the TPE service that was the 1012 from EDB - which did actually run. (Considered getting an 1100 bus from Carlisle to Keswick, but the train was a bit too late to make it.)

So arrival at Penrith, and hence Keswick, was 2 hours late.

Interestingly, none of the trains were overloaded despite likely having many passengers from previous cancellled services on board.

We’re returning on Thursday - wish us luck!!!

Potential TPE users are avoiding them and using alternative options like cars and staying at home..
 

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I just hope the extra traffic on the Northern Leeds - Manchester Victoria route doesn't eventually end up affecting the fantastic advance fares too much!

Think I'm yet to pay more than £7.50 each way, sometimes as low as £3.50
 

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Potential TPE users are avoiding them and using alternative options like cars and staying at home..
I know it's no longer a franchise, but as I recall when it was a franchise, promotion of modal shift was an objective. They are achieving modal shift. No-one said it meant getting people out of their cars and on to the trains, rather than the other way round.
 

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As someone joining this thread late, why, given the persistant staffing issues, did they introduce an increased timetable when they couldn't even run the previous one?
 
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