PHILIPE
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I was wondering what was causing the sparks in a picture I saw
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I was wondering what was causing the sparks in a picture I saw
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fgwrich
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Jammed split pin I believe, which required the assistance of the Angle Grinder - Surprisingly to remove the entire loop from the loop.
Is there any of these photos online please?
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Of course there are also routes (in England) where similar units are currently expected to last considerably longer than thatAnd to think TfW has no choice but to try to persevere with these trains for at least another 18 months..........
konstant
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Why was this a surprise? I can’t get my head around the wibble relating to this. On pretty much every rescue coupler I’ve fitted in my life and on every time a 769 has been rescued their teams have had to cut the split pin off the shackle on the UIC fitted rescue loco. The teams can either spend 20 minutes with a hacksaw or 20 seconds with the grinder..? It was nothing to do with it being rusty etc - its actually a perfectly normal procedure for fitting any rescue coupler so I just can’t fathom all the fuss right now?!
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You would think that as 37418's sole purpose currently is to rescue 769s having a compatible coupling ready to go would be an essential requirement.
konstant
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Why? It would need two couplers, which cost a fortune hence why TfW only have one, and which would need to be fitted and removed every time the vehicle went back to depot for servicing (how would you rescue 37418 if it travelled mainline with no UIC couplers?). What happens to the loco that stands in for 37418 when it’s away for service, fitting another pair of couplers to that?
The reality is the loco has rescued a handful of 769s in the years it’s been there, yet has been moved many dozens of times for servicing.
There is no operational benefit of having the coupler on full time.
Wyrleybart
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Why ?
If 37418 is based at Rhymney to rescue errant 769s there is a more than even chance it will be leaving the sidings at Rhymney to run downhill to the failure. So why not fit the coupler to the downhill end to do it's job. The rescue is required straight away, which is why it is required ASAP. Faffing around removing split pins, removing the shackle, then fitting the coupler just wastes precious time when the line is blocked and the customers are being buggered around.
surely when the loco is stood down to go for exam / service the shackle can be replaced just prior ?
Or am I missing something. In actual fact these things are just not delivering a satisfactory service, not even four units out of nine.
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konstant
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For answers to these questions please see my post in which you are replying to.
It takes minutes to fit the coupler including the grinding of the split pin. It would take longer to remove it and refit if it was fitted at the wrong end for the job than it takes to fit it as required, freeing up the loco to receive other couplers and duties as required.
I can assure you a full and proper independent review of the rescue process was made involving operations specialists and an independent safety consultancy and at no stage during HAZID or Ops review was any benefit observed as to prefitting a coupler.
This discussion is only being had because some veg saw a picture involving an angle grinder being used when fitting an emergency coupler for the first time. Of course, if one had operational experience in managing rolling stock rescue I suspect a different view would be had as to the normality and requirement of this procedure. I suppose that’s where I differ from all those talking about use of said angle grinder.
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I would hope that Northern receives the TfW 769s once they’re no longer wanted in Wales, at least the 769/4s, but they will need pantographs refitting for the bi-mode capability to run in England. At least in Wales they are fitted with USB, a luxury not available to the residents of Southport. It’s a shame that passengers in the valleys don’t get to experience the power changeover at Bolton. Did any of the TfW units run as 319s for Northern or LNWR before conversion, or did they transfer directly from Thameslink?Of course there are also routes (in England) where similar units are currently expected to last considerably longer than that
I don't think your average passenger cares about where the power comes from, as long as the thing moves!
Class360/1
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Yeah, so long as their trains on time and not crowded!
Buzz68
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Hope you like the photos
birchesgreen
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Yes very good!
Buzz68
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Would anyone know which 769 worked today's 5Z55 1100 Canton to Bargoed and back to Canton.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank youYes very good!
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They mostly don’t move though do they! The power changeover at Bolton is where there have been the most failures! It’s so bad that they’ve even had to build a new platform specifically so 769s that won’t move don’t block the main line to Preston!
I'm not familiar with the station but that sounds like utter nonsense. A whole platform because one fairly new type of rolling stock keeps failing?
Bletchleyite
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The platform on the old car park (I forget the numbering) was conceived and built long before 769s were a serious proposition.
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They came directly from Thameslink after they had had their engine rafts fitted. This is the first one being delivered
Buzz68
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Thank you Craig
I'm afraid that is completely and utterly false.
It’s numbered platform 5. It has 2 conventional island platforms, but platform 2 is a south facing bay.
That is excellent footage. I believe the 319s that transferred to Northern received new pantographs, but your shows 769002 with a pantograph still fitted, which has now been removed? Interesting.
Grumpy Git
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Imagine the carnage if this was the 1960's and the Thunderbird a class 21.
The 769's are nothing other than a dismal failure both here and at Northern. How long would they have lasted on a London/Home Counties diagram? Answer N/A, (they'd have had new units in the first place).
The 769's are nothing other than a dismal failure both here and at Northern. How long would they have lasted on a London/Home Counties diagram? Answer N/A, (they'd have had new units in the first place).
Yet the largest operator of the 769s is going to use them entirely within the Home Counties? How does that work then?
Grumpy Git
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Fair play, how are they doing?
Still in the production/delivery phase.
The Home Counties would love the new units promised, alas we’re to be lumbered with 769s too! So just make the best of it we can.
There here to stay now, complaining about them isn’t going to achieve anything.
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