Presumably the CM was unable to cite authority for his view that the convictions could be voided en masse.
There were multiple case law references, but as someone outside the legal field I didn't keep a note. CM was rather insistent that declaring them as "void ab initio" would effectively make it so that the prosecutions never happened, and that downstream HMCTS processes would make this very easy and fast to do.
The CM stated, I believe, that his opinion was that S142 should be used to correct prosecutions where issues have come to light during a procedurally correct prosecution and this was not the correct route to go down for a prosecution that never should have been initiated to begin with. The skeleton argument from NTL/GA seemed to appear as though they hadn't explored alternatives to just using S142, according to CM.
A good quote from the NTL's representative was, "having gotten it wrong a number of times, we want to get it right". All parties do genuinely seem to want to get to an end result that does the right thing for those affected by this, but there is disagreement into which road to take to that end result.
CM said (paraphrased): "If one path is "correct", and one path "might be correct", then the "correct" path should be chosen."
GA's rep explicitly stated that S142 acknowledges the fact that an error was made during the prosecution process, while a nullity would just pretend nothing ever happened. NTL agreed with this view. GA cited one case, which was handed up during the discussion, which appears to support GA/NTL's POV but this, to me, seemed like one case that was an abnormality in a sea of others which didn't use S142.
Both seemed to use the excuse that S142 should be use so the cases cannot be reheard, but CM pointed out all the affected cases were summary only and are >6 months old now so that wouldn't be possible anyway. CM also said that if noone wants to rehear the cases, what's the issue with just nullifying them anyway?
CM was seemingly primarily concerned that S142 could be argued against by other TOCs which have prosecuted similarly but were not heard from during the hearing, if any exist, while nullifying the existing cases wouldn't really have any way to argue against it.
Glad to hear that the restitution point is accepted – what about settlements extracted under threat of prosecution under Section 5(1) RoRA where passenger had given name and address, and prosecution was withdrawn in return for the settlement payment?
OOC settlements were not discussed at the hearing, as this was solely about reversing the incorrect prosecutions.
Additionally, GA said that they had found at least 431 prosecutions related to Regulation 11 so far, with NTL finding 204 of these too, plus 226 RoRA 5(1) prosecutions outside SJP.