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703 is on its 939,000th mile! And yes it's set in miles and not kilometres!

You'd not be surprised to learn that a few of the Versas are touching 700k too, the nines are on half a million + too.
 
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A quick question, if I wanted to pick up paper timetables, is the Derby Bus Station information office (the council one) still open, and if so open on Saturdays?
 

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I’m sure both Skylink routes are on track to get new buses (more MMCs likely)
They can't just get MMCs forever. At some point they'll have to buy electric buses, unless new laws regarding bio/synthetic fuels are passed.
Also, the 55 plate Scanias ran the Sixes from new to 16 years old, and I imagine they rack up some miles. There's no reason why the Skylink ADLs can't stay on as these did.
 

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A quick question, if I wanted to pick up paper timetables, is the Derby Bus Station information office (the council one) still open, and if so open on Saturdays?
Not sure about the council one on Saturdays. Certainly open on weekdays.
 
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Also, the 55 plate Scanias ran the Sixes from new to 16 years old, and I imagine they rack up some miles. There's no reason why the Skylink ADLs can't stay on as these did.

Two completely different buses regarding the Scanias and ADL E200s. The former being heavyweights with more powerful engines and generally more suited to sitting at high speed everyday. ADLs and Cummins in general aren’t built for that, they’re just city buses really. Many E200MMCs are already receiving new engines after just 5 or so years at other operators, they aren’t built to last, and that’s without being pushed to the limits all day everyday!

Exactly the reason many operators are now switching to the Volvo/MCV Evora offering, comparable price tag and a product that is more suited to anything you throw at it, if only Wellglade would make the same decision.
 

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Two completely different buses regarding the Scanias and ADL E200s. The former being heavyweights with more powerful engines and generally more suited to sitting at high speed everyday. ADLs and Cummins in general aren’t built for that, they’re just city buses really. Many E200MMCs are already receiving new engines after just 5 or so years at other operators, they aren’t built to last, and that’s without being pushed to the limits all day everyday!

Exactly the reason many operators are now switching to the Volvo/MCV Evora offering, comparable price tag and a product that is more suited to anything you throw at it, if only Wellglade would make the same decision.
Wellglade wanted MCV Evora's for their previous order but the build time was too long
 

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It isn't as long a route anymore, but it still runs overnight, so that would rack up the mileage. Plus there's still the Coalville leg that adds a substantial amount of distance.
Bustimes suggests that 121 will be running for nearly 24 hours straight tonight!
121 seems to be clocking up about 100000 a year

Two completely different buses regarding the Scanias and ADL E200s. The former being heavyweights with more powerful engines and generally more suited to sitting at high speed everyday. ADLs and Cummins in general aren’t built for that, they’re just city buses really. Many E200MMCs are already receiving new engines after just 5 or so years at other operators, they aren’t built to last, and that’s without being pushed to the limits all day everyday!

Exactly the reason many operators are now switching to the Volvo/MCV Evora offering, comparable price tag and a product that is more suited to anything you throw at it, if only Wellglade would make the same decision.
I'm sure several Trentbarton Enviros have had at least one replacement engine. Certainly several of the Allestree batch have
 

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Two completely different buses regarding the Scanias and ADL E200s. The former being heavyweights with more powerful engines and generally more suited to sitting at high speed everyday. ADLs and Cummins in general aren’t built for that, they’re just city buses really. Many E200MMCs are already receiving new engines after just 5 or so years at other operators, they aren’t built to last, and that’s without being pushed to the limits all day everyday!

Exactly the reason many operators are now switching to the Volvo/MCV Evora offering, comparable price tag and a product that is more suited to anything you throw at it, if only Wellglade would make the same decision.
Aren't the Derby Skylinks fitted with the bigger engine?
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A quick question, if I wanted to pick up paper timetables, is the Derby Bus Station information office (the council one) still open, and if so open on Saturdays?
Only Saturday mornings, it's closed in the afternoon. If possible, Nottingham is better for getting paper timetables as the office in Victoria Bus Station is open all day, or there is a smaller selection at the train station.
 

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Aren't the Derby Skylinks fitted with the bigger engine?
All the Trentbarton/Kinchbus ADLs have 6.7L 6-Cylinder cummins except the Nines, Allestree (plus 269) and Indigos (Plus 216 and 217) which have 4.5L 4-Cylinder ones.

Standard ADLs: 6.7L 6-cylinder Cummins, 11.8m in length (Threes and newer have ferrylift)
Indigo ADLs: 4.5L 4-cylinder Cummins, 11.5m in length (Same wheelbase, the smaller engine means less rear overhang)
Nines ADLs: 4.5L 4-cylinder Cummins, 10.8m in length (With Alison gearboxes as opposed to Voith, they sound phenomenal)
Allestree ADLs: 4.5L 4-Cylinder Cummins, 10.8m in length

Don't get me started on interior spec either! I am prone to a good waffle
 

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703 is on its 939,000th mile! And yes it's set in miles and not kilometres!

You'd not be surprised to learn that a few of the Versas are touching 700k too, the nines are on half a million + too.
We have 742 748 and 750 all over 1 million miles at Derby with 748 nearly on 1.1 million
 

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All the Trentbarton/Kinchbus ADLs have 6.7L 6-Cylinder cummins except the Nines, Allestree (plus 269) and Indigos (Plus 216 and 217) which have 4.5L 4-Cylinder ones.

Standard ADLs: 6.7L 6-cylinder Cummins, 11.8m in length (Threes and newer have ferrylift)
Indigo ADLs: 4.5L 4-cylinder Cummins, 11.5m in length (Same wheelbase, the smaller engine means less rear overhang)
Nines ADLs: 4.5L 4-cylinder Cummins, 10.8m in length (With Alison gearboxes as opposed to Voith, they sound phenomenal)
Allestree ADLs: 4.5L 4-Cylinder Cummins, 10.8m in length

Don't get me started on interior spec either! I am prone to a good waffle
Well, I guess I could mention mood lighting.

And 121 is about seven years old, which means that 121 has a mileage of roughly 700k.
I'm going to change my comment, having reviewed MOT data. The last MOT showed 121 mileage as 6,228,106 km. The previous year 526, 840km, so it might be an error unless it has been to Pluto. I thought UK vehicles recorded in miles.. But clearly 100000 km is different to 100000 miles. 122 also shows in km, 629093 at last MOT.
 
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Makes you wonder what the mileages might have been had some vehicles been running the full bus boards during lockdowns.
 

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I wonder if giving 480 & 483 to Sutton was a good idea. Once again the villager has had a missing diagram for much of the day and the 1105 from Derby had to go back to the depot after getting as far as Victoria Street giving a 90 min gap as the missing bus was the 1135. The red arrow was also down to 3 coaches and 2 mangos at lunch as well.
 

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I wonder if giving 480 & 483 to Sutton was a good idea. Once again the villager has had a missing diagram for much of the day and the 1105 from Derby had to go back to the depot after getting as far as Victoria Street giving a 90 min gap as the missing bus was the 1135. The red arrow was also down to 3 coaches and 2 mangos at lunch as well.
You say that, but Sutton has recently given TM Travel the first three of six Optare Excels. I do hope Villager customers don't start asking for their Volvos back.
 

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You say that, but Sutton has recently given TM Travel the first three of six Optare Excels. I do hope Villager customers don't start asking for their Volvos back.
I think you mean the ex threes optare versas.

Trent seem to have severe engineering problems at Derby, with the red arrow coaches and sixes versas proving troublesome.

They shouldn't really have been allowed to enhance the x38, or any route, until they had proved they could reliably operate their existing services. This is where the system falls down, and why more regulation is needed.
 

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I think you mean the ex threes optare versas.

Trent seem to have severe engineering problems at Derby, with the red arrow coaches and sixes versas proving troublesome.

They shouldn't really have been allowed to enhance the x38, or any route, until they had proved they could reliably operate their existing services. This is where the system falls down, and why more regulation is needed.
Whoops...I have no idea what make me think of Optare Excels. Of course the Threes Versas replaced them at Sutton. Maybe Derby buses don't like the rain.
 

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You say that, but Sutton has recently given TM Travel the first three of six Optare Excels. I do hope Villager customers don't start asking for their Volvos back.
There were a couple saying the new buses had to much technology last week when the driver was waiting for the ticket machine to slowly log on! All we want is a reliable service that doesn't have regular cancelations. More or less every weekday at least 1 journey runs fast to make up time.
 

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There were a couple saying the new buses had to much technology last week when the driver was waiting for the ticket machine to slowly log on! All we want is a reliable service that doesn't have regular cancelations. More or less every weekday at least 1 journey runs fast to make up time.
Its been a few weeks since ive been down to burton on villager but last time i did there was quite alot of roadworks so this wouldn't help with the delays.

Looks like 477 is working at n+d, probably a replacement for 510
 

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Its been a few weeks since ive been down to burton on villager but last time i did there was quite alot of roadworks so this wouldn't help with the delays.

Looks like 477 is working at n+d, probably a replacement for 510
They went towards the end of August I think. It has got better but is still not perfect. 2 other days this month also had missing buses. Last week was one of the better weeks with just Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday having missing trips to make up time.
 

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Its been a few weeks since ive been down to burton on villager but last time i did there was quite alot of roadworks so this wouldn't help with the delays.

Looks like 477 is working at n+d, probably a replacement for 510
Ah, it has arrived has it. They also have a hydrogen bus on loan, working U2. Think it visited the Uni a few months back, small bus.
 

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There were a couple saying the new buses had to much technology last week when the driver was waiting for the ticket machine to slowly log on! All we want is a reliable service that doesn't have regular cancelations. More or less every weekday at least 1 journey runs fast to make up time.
It's a shame no builder makes anything simple anymore. If someone built Darts or Tridents or the likes today, I bet they'd sell like hotcakes, especially to independents.
 
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It's a shame no builder makes anything simple anymore. If someone built Darts or Tridents or the likes today, I bet they'd sell like hotcales, especially to independents.
But no, the powers that be have decided that vehicles in general must be loaded with an obnoxious amount of software when I bet people could drive perfectly safely without the extra tech!

I dunno, I don't drive (yet).
 

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In July, it was 910,711 miles recorded at MOT
It's on around 920,000 miles last time I drove it last week it did have a few long stints being off road hence why it's lower than the other 2 comets.

I think you mean the ex threes optare versas.

Trent seem to have severe engineering problems at Derby, with the red arrow coaches and sixes versas proving troublesome.

They shouldn't really have been allowed to enhance the x38, or any route, until they had proved they could reliably operate their existing services. This is where the system falls down, and why more regulation is needed.
The issue again is lack of spare parts. And the long back order on various parts that are needed.
Not anything to really do with the depot as such plus versas are now getting to the point where the sixes routes are really starting to take there toll on them.

To be honest the sixes should of been volvos after the scanias departed.
 

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Not anything to really do with the depot as such plus versas are now getting to the point where the sixes routes are really starting to take there toll on them.

To be honest the sixes should of been volvos after the scanias departed.
It seems these days that spares on the Sixes are almost as common as branded Versas. I would've sent the Two's Volvos to the Sixes, and the R1 Versas to the Two, since the Two is a flatter and more urban route. It would leave the Sixes with quality vehicles for a good long time, and the Two to potentially get new MMCs in the future.

I also had an idea, that the 6.1 and Transpeak merge into a half hourly route from Derby-Buxton via Belper, Wirksworth, Matlock and Bakewell, leaving these places with an altogether better trentbarton 'Transpeak' with more heavyweight vehicles and the shorter Ripley runs stay as the Sixes which the Versas can probably cope with better.
I know that's about as likely as pigs flying, but I can dream.
 
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I also had an idea, that the 6.1 and Transpeak merge into a half hourly route from Derby-Buxton via Belper, Wirksworth, Matlock and Bakewell, leaving these places with an altogether better trentbarton 'Transpeak' with more heavyweight vehicles and the shorter Ripley runs stay as the Sixes which the Versas can probably cope with better.
I know that's about as likely as pigs flying, but I can dream.
Well, Trentbarton owns 50% of High Peak, unless circumstances have changed, so I don't think it's quite as infeasible. And it would be harder to have a falling-out with an entity that's half yourself the way Trentbarton and Arriva have fallen out.
 

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It seems these days that spares on the Sixes are almost as common as branded Versas. I would've sent the Two's Volvos to the Sixes, and the R1 Versas to the Two, since the Two is a flatter and more urban route. It would leave the Sixes with quality vehicles for a good long time, and the Two to potentially get new MMCs in the future.

I also had an idea, that the 6.1 and Transpeak merge into a half hourly route from Derby-Buxton via Belper, Wirksworth, Matlock and Bakewell, leaving these places with an altogether better trentbarton 'Transpeak' with more heavyweight vehicles and the shorter Ripley runs stay as the Sixes which the Versas can probably cope with better.
I know that's about as likely as pigs flying, but I can dream.
I think the 6.1 interworks with the 6.4, and the 6.2 and 6.3 buses stay on those routes, well until they break.
 

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