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Optare Versa 823 is now back at Derby Meadow Road depot. Arrived this afternoon in the Notts and Derby green and blue livery with black around the windows. Enviro 200 54 has gone for painting, after the front end was rebuilt after the accident.
 
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Enviro 100 EV demonstrator AD24 BUS is currently on Loughborough University Campus. Destination display had "Route Testing - Central Connect".
Could the E100EV be Kinch's preferred bus?
Ah, I was wondering if anyone else saw the bus that day, I saw it in town and on campus, but I don't know what was going on with it (like which company it was actually testing with)
 

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Will the Flixbus thing be kept entirely separate from TrentBarton's normal daily operations with it's own dedicated drivers or will drivers be drawn from their existing Derby Depot staffing as required?
 

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Will the Flixbus thing be kept entirely separate from TrentBarton's normal daily operations with its o idea. own dedicated drivers or will drivers be drawn from their existing Derby Depot staffing as required?

No idea. But given Flixbus services will be on EU hours, I would think it almost inevitable it will be a completely separate driver rota. Domestic and EU hours don’t mix well.
 

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Will the Flixbus thing be kept entirely separate from TrentBarton's normal daily operations with it's own dedicated drivers or will drivers be drawn from their existing Derby Depot staffing as required?
You tell some local bus drivers that they now have to drive for upto 4.5 hours straight with almost no stopping, very limited opportunity to go to the toilet, with a cab that isn't enclosed, barely talking to passengers (because coach passengers tend to say 'hello' when you scan the ticket and that can be it, 'thank yous' are less common on scheduled coach work) and handle luggage at stops, many of them would cry at the thought.
Likewise you tell intercity coach drivers that they have to stop basically every minute to let people on, deal with cash constantly, drive round and round in circles most of the day seeing the same bus station 10 times per shift, and tell them they can't put their earphones in and listen to their own music, you'll find a lot intercity coach drivers won't be too pleased with that thought.

So in short, it will likely be dedicated drivers because the type of work is very different and people tend not to like local service, or distance work. As Cesarcollie says too, tachograph rules make it hard for EU and domestic hours to mix. It's not impossible though and so depending on how strictly TrentBarton enforce the separation, I can see instances of Flixbus drivers irregularly undertaking local work if they want a day overtime and driving hours permits.
 

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Will the Flixbus thing be kept entirely separate from TrentBarton's normal daily operations with it's own dedicated drivers or will drivers be drawn from their existing Derby Depot staffing as required?
Yes it's separate. Adverts have gone up for drivers and the General Manager of TM travel will be managing the operation, itll be based at Derby as posted.
 

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You tell some local bus drivers that they now have to drive for upto 4.5 hours straight with almost no stopping, very limited opportunity to go to the toilet, with a cab that isn't enclosed, barely talking to passengers (because coach passengers tend to say 'hello' when you scan the ticket and that can be it, 'thank yous' are less common on scheduled coach work) and handle luggage at stops, many of them would cry at the thought.
Likewise you tell intercity coach drivers that they have to stop basically every minute to let people on, deal with cash constantly, drive round and round in circles most of the day seeing the same bus station 10 times per shift, and tell them they can't put their earphones in and listen to their own music, you'll find a lot intercity coach drivers won't be too pleased with that thought.

So in short, it will likely be dedicated drivers because the type of work is very different and people tend not to like local service, or distance work. As Cesarcollie says too, tachograph rules make it hard for EU and domestic hours to mix. It's not impossible though and so depending on how strictly TrentBarton enforce the separation, I can see instances of Flixbus drivers irregularly undertaking local work if they want a day overtime and driving hours permits.
Trent Barton have always opted for keeping the driver as visible as possible, expect drivers to interact with passengers more than other bus companies and of course already operate the Red Arrow using coaches out of the Derby depot so driving the coaches wouldn't be as much of a culture shock in comparison to many bus companies. That being said the driver hour requirement as well as TBs policy of keeping drivers on dedicated routes does make much mixing of drivers extremely unlikely (but I could well see some Red Arrow drivers in particular opting to move over to the Flixbus operation if the pay and T and Cs were in line).
 

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Yes it's separate. Adverts have gone up for drivers and the General Manager of TM travel will be managing the operation, itll be based at Derby as posted.
There is a job advert on Indeed from TM Travel asking for bus drivers for Flixbus out of Derby and Sheffield depots. https://uk.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=7585dce887e37999 (photo below)
Side note, they really aren't helping themselves on the job advert asking for 'bus drivers'.


With the job being promoted by TM Travel, and the original announcement from Wellglade making no reference to TrentBarton, will TB actually have anything to do with Flix, or will drivers then be employed by TM Travel, just based out of Derby? I went back and checked, and the original announcement photo from Wellglade (link to forum post where it was posted), they don't mention TrentBarton. The only reference to TB originated from Flixbus own press release)

Sheffield depot is interesting too, since I note that there are 3 round trips starting on route 003 fast from Sheffield Interchange to London, starting 12th June, the same date that I believe Wellglade are starting Derby operated services (see post 1489)

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of course already operate the Red Arrow using coaches out of the Derby depot so driving the coaches wouldn't be as much of a culture shock in comparison to many bus companies
It's very different. Red Arrow is 35 minutes each way with minimal luggage. It's a fast bus route just happening to be operated by coaches. It's a completely different style of driving compared to Flix/NatEx/Megabus, long distance. One major incident on the motorway and you have got yourself a nice night out maybe 100 miles from home. Toilets only at motorway service but given the timetable you don't want to delay the service too much as that will upset passengers. Having to work out a luggage loading strategy else you end up climbing around the lockers to get certain bags. You have to actually think about your driving hours a lot more and find somewhere to park up within that time else you risk infringements and fines from DVSA. You have to concentrate for hours on a straight road.
It's completely chalk and cheese. I know a lot of bus drivers who have driven coaches it's been a huge shock to them how different things are, especially when it comes to the distance work.
 

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I'm going on what we've been told internally. The advert internally is for all staff to be based at Derby, itll be managed from Derby.

It's a different rate of pay to Trent, Barton, notts + derby & Kinch. Certain privileges will remain with the new contract (staff travel / benefits / date of continuous employment) and if one wants to transfer back then that's acceptable.

Regarding the management like I say we've been told officially that the new General Manager at TM will be splitting his time between Derby & Halfway.

Whether down the line if further flixbus work is gained this changes then that, like most plans, is what will happen.
 

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Yes it's separate. Adverts have gone up for drivers and the General Manager of TM travel will be managing the operation, itll be based at Derby as posted.
Who got the GM job at TM Travel?

There is a job advert on Indeed from TM Travel asking for bus drivers for Flixbus out of Derby and Sheffield depots. https://uk.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=7585dce887e37999 (photo below)
Side note, they really aren't helping themselves on the job advert asking for 'bus drivers'.


With the job being promoted by TM Travel, and the original announcement from Wellglade making no reference to TrentBarton, will TB actually have anything to do with Flix, or will drivers then be employed by TM Travel, just based out of Derby? I went back and checked, and the original announcement photo from Wellglade (link to forum post where it was posted), they don't mention TrentBarton. The only reference to TB originated from Flixbus own press release)

Sheffield depot is interesting too, since I note that there are 3 round trips starting on route 003 fast from Sheffield Interchange to London, starting 12th June, the same date that I believe Wellglade are starting Derby operated services (see post 1489)





It's very different. Red Arrow is 35 minutes each way with minimal luggage. It's a fast bus route just happening to be operated by coaches. It's a completely different style of driving compared to Flix/NatEx/Megabus, long distance. One major incident on the motorway and you have got yourself a nice night out maybe 100 miles from home. Toilets only at motorway service but given the timetable you don't want to delay the service too much as that will upset passengers. Having to work out a luggage loading strategy else you end up climbing around the lockers to get certain bags. You have to actually think about your driving hours a lot more and find somewhere to park up within that time else you risk infringements and fines from DVSA. You have to concentrate for hours on a straight road.
It's completely chalk and cheese. I know a lot of bus drivers who have driven coaches it's been a huge shock to them how different things are, especially when it comes to the distance work.
I thought I'd see somewhere the Flixbus services ran from Meadowhall. Handy for the motorway.....on a good day
 

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Who got the GM job at TM Travel?


I thought I'd see somewhere the Flixbus services ran from Meadowhall. Handy for the motorway.....on a good day
The Current (and future) 001, 002, 010, N11, N31, 070, 075, 078, 079 and N601 services serve Meadowhall.. The current N02 and new 003 serve Sheffield Interchange. Oddly, the associated data suggests the 003 also serves Halifax, but no journeys seem to, yet.
 
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Sheffield depot is interesting too, since I note that there are 3 round trips starting on route 003 fast from Sheffield Interchange to London, starting 12th June, the same date that I believe Wellglade are starting Derby operated services (see post 1489)
On top of that, there is also the likelihood they will lose the Sheffield depot in the not too distant future, should the SYMCA franchising take place.

Of course they may get awarded the franchise for that depot (depending how they are split) but there are no guarantees, so they might need to see out a new location.
 

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703 went back to Langley Mill yesterday from Derby depot I assume for repaint. And 734 reentered service after 2 months off road.
703 has since been spotted in Blackburn Bus & Coach World, so I'm guessing it will be repainted as a few trentbarton vehicles have been sent there recently for the base spray.
There could be all sorts of reasons as to why one bus has entered service before another
Probably wasn't fit for service yet: things can sometimes be found last-minute that need to be fixed and delay the introduction/re-introduction of a vehicle/set of vehicles.
 

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There is a job advert on Indeed from TM Travel asking for bus drivers for Flixbus out of Derby and Sheffield depots. https://uk.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=7585dce887e37999 (photo below)
Side note, they really aren't helping themselves on the job advert asking for 'bus drivers'.


With the job being promoted by TM Travel, and the original announcement from Wellglade making no reference to TrentBarton, will TB actually have anything to do with Flix, or will drivers then be employed by TM Travel, just based out of Derby? I went back and checked, and the original announcement photo from Wellglade (link to forum post where it was posted), they don't mention TrentBarton. The only reference to TB originated from Flixbus own press release)

Sheffield depot is interesting too, since I note that there are 3 round trips starting on route 003 fast from Sheffield Interchange to London, starting 12th June, the same date that I believe Wellglade are starting Derby operated services (see post 1489)





It's very different. Red Arrow is 35 minutes each way with minimal luggage. It's a fast bus route just happening to be operated by coaches. It's a completely different style of driving compared to Flix/NatEx/Megabus, long distance. One major incident on the motorway and you have got yourself a nice night out maybe 100 miles from home. Toilets only at motorway service but given the timetable you don't want to delay the service too much as that will upset passengers. Having to work out a luggage loading strategy else you end up climbing around the lockers to get certain bags. You have to actually think about your driving hours a lot more and find somewhere to park up within that time else you risk infringements and fines from DVSA. You have to concentrate for hours on a straight road.
It's completely chalk and cheese. I know a lot of bus drivers who have driven coaches it's been a huge shock to them how different things are, especially when it comes to the distance work.
Will they operate any flixbus Nottingham services like the 005?
 

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Will they operate any flixbus Nottingham services like the 005?
IF my findings are right with the trips, they look to be running the following:
2 trips on the 004 as Derby - Nottingham - Notts Uni - London (albeit no fares can be taken Derby - Nottingham because of the distance)
3 trips on the 005 as Derby - Loughborough - Leicester City - Leicester Fosse - London (2 trips running to Derby, 1 trip doing a short London - Leicester)
2-3 trips on the 002 Leeds - Meadowhall - Derby - Leicester Fosse - London. 002 timetable look to be work in progress though so could be more trips.

Plus there are 3 trips on the 003 Sheffield Interchange - London service, which start on the same date which given the job advert above, look to be being operated by Wellglade too.

Oddly, the associated data suggests the 003 also serves Halifax, but no journeys seem to, yet.
I can't work out if it's a Flixbus data issue with the wrong route descriptions, or whether it's coming in the future as there are other routes which had the wrong description and the 077 says it serves Swansea but there are no trips for that either. It's all bit funky.
 

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I'll be interested to know the economics behind Wellglade operating the Flixbus services.
I remember Yourbus operated National Express services before they went bust, which weren't financially beneficial for them.
 

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I'll be interested to know the economics behind Wellglade operating the Flixbus services.
I remember Yourbus operated National Express services before they went bust, which weren't financially beneficial for them.
I remember the Court case between National Express and Your bus. Game over, but Preston Bus (Rotala company) nearly took over all the Your bus services.

I noticed Volvo/Wright single decker 720 on Mansfield Road, Derby today, circa 13.35. It was heading back from Derby to Langley Mill, ready for introduction onto the X38 sometime in 2025. Just as it appeared the sun came out and I nearly needed sunglasses
 
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Wasn't it the tax man that then finished them off, before Preston Bus could register the services? Then there was talk of a dispute with Derbyshire CC. You certainly found that link, quickly.
There was a number of things that contributed towards the end, the irony being that the MD was an accountant, too. A sad demise to something that had a lot of potential.

What I will say is with the Wellglade (and not trentbarton as seems to be the consensus) involvement with Flixbus is that a lot of organisation and planning has happened in the background to ensure smooth operation from day one. As there was when the Company operated NatEx services until the mid 00s.
 

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There was a number of things that contributed towards the end, the irony being that the MD was an accountant, too. A sad demise to something that had a lot of potential.
That all said, the number of bus on bus accidents in Derby bus station ,dropped when they finished. Too many buses in too small a a space. Isn't said MD now in Australia with Custom Denning? The case report was a fascinating read.
 

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That all said, the number of bus on bus accidents in Derby bus station ,dropped when they finished. Too many buses in too small a a space. Isn't said MD now in Australia with Custom Denning? The case report was a fascinating read.
Steve Ward? I'm not sure about that one. There seemed to be a dramatic change when Mr Dunn went down under
 

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