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West Midlands Class 323 - the final countdown

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py_megapixel said:
Isn't that a regular allocation? I thought the Hazel Grove terminators had to be DMUs because the stock interworks with Buxtons at Piccadilly.
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A couple of Hazel Grove services are electric trains. However, the 07:10 Hazel Grove to Manchester Piccadilly was 195110!
 
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Liam L said:
Paths in Mondays transfer.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K07387/2024-05-13/detailed 323206 & 323209. There also a path to Wolverton however unsure that's related to the transfers
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They're on the way.
323202 has been spotted at Wigan springs branch depot, presume for type training.
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Report forMon 13May2024
UnitNameLast seen in WM serviceSourceNoteDate left WMTo
STILL WITH WM
323201Duddeston (DENAMED)Thu 02May2024RailUK
323203 (N)AstonSat 20Apr2024RailUK
323204Selly OakThu 09May2024Crosscity
323205 (N)Blake Street (DENAMED)Thu 09May2024Crosscity
323207 (N)BournvilleTue 30Apr2024RailUK
323210 (N)ShenstoneSat 20Apr2024RailUK
323211Four OaksWed 03Jan2024CrosscityAt Soho for repairs
323213 (N)Sutton ColdfieldMon 15Apr2024RailUK
323214Wylde GreenTue 26Dec2023RailUKAt Wolverton for repairs
323215Gravelly HillTue 30Apr2024Crosscity
323216UniversityThu 09May2024Crosscity
323217 (N)Chester RoadTue 30Apr2024RailUK
323218 (N)Lichfield CityThu 09May2024Crosscity
323219 (N)Kings NortonThu 09May2024Crosscity
323221Northfield (DENAMED). In Centro liveryThu 09May2024Crosscity
323222Redditch (DENAMED)Tue 30Apr2024RailUK
323240ErdingtonThu 09May2024Crosscity
323241 (N)Dave Pomroy 323 Fleet Engineer 40 Years ServiceMon 15Apr2024RailUK
323242 (N)AlvechurchThu 09May2024Crosscity
323243 (N)LongbridgeThu 09May2024Crosscity
TRANSFERRED TO NORTHERN
323202 (N)Butlers Lane (DENAMED)Fri 12Apr2024RailUKTransfer No 4Mon 15Apr2024Wolverton, then Allerton Fri 19Apr2024
323206 (N)Barnt GreenWed 17Apr2024RailUKTransfer No 5Mon 13May2024Allerton
323208 (N)Five Ways (DENAMED)TransferredTransfer No 1Sat 28Oct2023Allerton
323209 (N)Birmingham New Street (DENAMED)Thu 09May2024CrosscityTransfer No 6Mon 13May2024Allerton
323212 (N)Bromsgrove (DENAMED)Wed 27Dec2023RailUKTransfer No 2Thu 04Jan2024Wolverton, then Allerton Wed 10Jan2024
323220 (N)Lichfield Trent Valley (DENAMED)Wed 27Dec2023RailUKTransfer No 3Sat 06Jan2024Wolverton, then Allerton Wed 10Jan2024
(N)=Unit to transfer to Northern

Only actual sightings in public service included
Am now recording whether units have been denamed
206 & 209 transferred to Allerton today (is 206 de-named?)
Two 730 diagrams on Crosscity from today (A repeating Lichfield-Bromsgrove and Four Oaks-Redditch)
211 & 214 still under repair
No person has reported seeing 203/210/213 or 241 in service since Sat 20Apr
 
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crosscity said:
Report forMon 13May2024
UnitNameLast seen in WM serviceSourceNoteDate left WMTo
STILL WITH WM
323201Duddeston (DENAMED)Thu 02May2024RailUK
323203 (N)AstonSat 20Apr2024RailUK
323204Selly OakThu 09May2024Crosscity
323205 (N)Blake Street (DENAMED)Thu 09May2024Crosscity
323207 (N)BournvilleTue 30Apr2024RailUK
323210 (N)ShenstoneSat 20Apr2024RailUK
323211Four OaksWed 03Jan2024CrosscityAt Soho for repairs
323213 (N)Sutton ColdfieldMon 15Apr2024RailUK
323214Wylde GreenTue 26Dec2023RailUKAt Wolverton for repairs
323215Gravelly HillTue 30Apr2024Crosscity
323216UniversityThu 09May2024Crosscity
323217 (N)Chester RoadTue 30Apr2024RailUK
323218 (N)Lichfield CityThu 09May2024Crosscity
323219 (N)Kings NortonThu 09May2024Crosscity
323221Northfield (DENAMED). In Centro liveryThu 09May2024Crosscity
323222Redditch (DENAMED)Tue 30Apr2024RailUK
323240ErdingtonThu 09May2024Crosscity
323241 (N)Dave Pomroy 323 Fleet Engineer 40 Years ServiceMon 15Apr2024RailUK
323242 (N)AlvechurchThu 09May2024Crosscity
323243 (N)LongbridgeThu 09May2024Crosscity
TRANSFERRED TO NORTHERN
323202 (N)Butlers Lane (DENAMED)Fri 12Apr2024RailUKTransfer No 4Mon 15Apr2024Wolverton, then Allerton Fri 19Apr2024
323206 (N)Barnt GreenWed 17Apr2024RailUKTransfer No 5Mon 13May2024Allerton
323208 (N)Five Ways (DENAMED)TransferredTransfer No 1Sat 28Oct2023Allerton
323209 (N)Birmingham New Street (DENAMED)Thu 09May2024CrosscityTransfer No 6Mon 13May2024Allerton
323212 (N)Bromsgrove (DENAMED)Wed 27Dec2023RailUKTransfer No 2Thu 04Jan2024Wolverton, then Allerton Wed 10Jan2024
323220 (N)Lichfield Trent Valley (DENAMED)Wed 27Dec2023RailUKTransfer No 3Sat 06Jan2024Wolverton, then Allerton Wed 10Jan2024
(N)=Unit to transfer to Northern

Only actual sightings in public service included
Am now recording whether units have been denamed
206 & 209 transferred to Allerton today (is 206 de-named?)
Two 730 diagrams on Crosscity from today (A repeating Lichfield-Bromsgrove and Four Oaks-Redditch)
211 & 214 still under repair
No person has reported seeing 203/210/213 or 241 in service since Sat 20Apr
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I was on the cross city line on Saturday 11th May and saw the following sets in service:-
323201 solo
323207 solo
323216 solo
323241 solo
323219- 323222
323240- 323221
323210- 323242
323203-323204
323213-323215
323206-323217
323218-323205
No 730s in service on this route on this day.
 
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crosscity said:
Report forMon 13May2024
UnitNameLast seen in WM serviceSourceNoteDate left WMTo
STILL WITH WM
323201Duddeston (DENAMED)Thu 02May2024RailUK
323203 (N)AstonSat 20Apr2024RailUK
323204Selly OakThu 09May2024Crosscity
323205 (N)Blake Street (DENAMED)Thu 09May2024Crosscity
323207 (N)BournvilleTue 30Apr2024RailUK
323210 (N)ShenstoneSat 20Apr2024RailUK
323211Four OaksWed 03Jan2024CrosscityAt Soho for repairs
323213 (N)Sutton ColdfieldMon 15Apr2024RailUK
323214Wylde GreenTue 26Dec2023RailUKAt Wolverton for repairs
323215Gravelly HillTue 30Apr2024Crosscity
323216UniversityThu 09May2024Crosscity
323217 (N)Chester RoadTue 30Apr2024RailUK
323218 (N)Lichfield CityThu 09May2024Crosscity
323219 (N)Kings NortonThu 09May2024Crosscity
323221Northfield (DENAMED). In Centro liveryThu 09May2024Crosscity
323222Redditch (DENAMED)Tue 30Apr2024RailUK
323240ErdingtonThu 09May2024Crosscity
323241 (N)Dave Pomroy 323 Fleet Engineer 40 Years ServiceMon 15Apr2024RailUK
323242 (N)AlvechurchThu 09May2024Crosscity
323243 (N)LongbridgeThu 09May2024Crosscity
TRANSFERRED TO NORTHERN
323202 (N)Butlers Lane (DENAMED)Fri 12Apr2024RailUKTransfer No 4Mon 15Apr2024Wolverton, then Allerton Fri 19Apr2024
323206 (N)Barnt GreenWed 17Apr2024RailUKTransfer No 5Mon 13May2024Allerton
323208 (N)Five Ways (DENAMED)TransferredTransfer No 1Sat 28Oct2023Allerton
323209 (N)Birmingham New Street (DENAMED)Thu 09May2024CrosscityTransfer No 6Mon 13May2024Allerton
323212 (N)Bromsgrove (DENAMED)Wed 27Dec2023RailUKTransfer No 2Thu 04Jan2024Wolverton, then Allerton Wed 10Jan2024
323220 (N)Lichfield Trent Valley (DENAMED)Wed 27Dec2023RailUKTransfer No 3Sat 06Jan2024Wolverton, then Allerton Wed 10Jan2024
(N)=Unit to transfer to Northern

Only actual sightings in public service included
Am now recording whether units have been denamed
206 & 209 transferred to Allerton today (is 206 de-named?)
Two 730 diagrams on Crosscity from today (A repeating Lichfield-Bromsgrove and Four Oaks-Redditch)
211 & 214 still under repair
No person has reported seeing 203/210/213 or 241 in service since Sat 20Apr
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crosscity said:
Report forMon 13May2024
UnitNameLast seen in WM serviceSourceNoteDate left WMTo
STILL WITH WM
323201Duddeston (DENAMED)Thu 02May2024RailUK
323203 (N)AstonSat 20Apr2024RailUK
323204Selly OakThu 09May2024Crosscity
323205 (N)Blake Street (DENAMED)Thu 09May2024Crosscity
323207 (N)BournvilleTue 30Apr2024RailUK
323210 (N)ShenstoneSat 20Apr2024RailUK
323211Four OaksWed 03Jan2024CrosscityAt Soho for repairs
323213 (N)Sutton ColdfieldMon 15Apr2024RailUK
323214Wylde GreenTue 26Dec2023RailUKAt Wolverton for repairs
323215Gravelly HillTue 30Apr2024Crosscity
323216UniversityThu 09May2024Crosscity
323217 (N)Chester RoadTue 30Apr2024RailUK
323218 (N)Lichfield CityThu 09May2024Crosscity
323219 (N)Kings NortonThu 09May2024Crosscity
323221Northfield (DENAMED). In Centro liveryThu 09May2024Crosscity
323222Redditch (DENAMED)Tue 30Apr2024RailUK
323240ErdingtonThu 09May2024Crosscity
323241 (N)Dave Pomroy 323 Fleet Engineer 40 Years ServiceMon 15Apr2024RailUK
323242 (N)AlvechurchThu 09May2024Crosscity
323243 (N)LongbridgeThu 09May2024Crosscity
TRANSFERRED TO NORTHERN
323202 (N)Butlers Lane (DENAMED)Fri 12Apr2024RailUKTransfer No 4Mon 15Apr2024Wolverton, then Allerton Fri 19Apr2024
323206 (N)Barnt GreenWed 17Apr2024RailUKTransfer No 5Mon 13May2024Allerton
323208 (N)Five Ways (DENAMED)TransferredTransfer No 1Sat 28Oct2023Allerton
323209 (N)Birmingham New Street (DENAMED)Thu 09May2024CrosscityTransfer No 6Mon 13May2024Allerton
323212 (N)Bromsgrove (DENAMED)Wed 27Dec2023RailUKTransfer No 2Thu 04Jan2024Wolverton, then Allerton Wed 10Jan2024
323220 (N)Lichfield Trent Valley (DENAMED)Wed 27Dec2023RailUKTransfer No 3Sat 06Jan2024Wolverton, then Allerton Wed 10Jan2024
(N)=Unit to transfer to Northern

Only actual sightings in public service included
Am now recording whether units have been denamed
206 & 209 transferred to Allerton today (is 206 de-named?)
Two 730 diagrams on Crosscity from today (A repeating Lichfield-Bromsgrove and Four Oaks-Redditch)
211 & 214 still under repair
No person has reported seeing 203/210/213 or 241 in service since Sat 20Apr
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Interesting. Are all the above units still in WM livery.
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Monday 13th May 2024
323201+323241
323205+323218
323210+323242
323211+323222
323213+323215
323216 alone
323217+323219
323221+323240
There was another 323 working alone but it passed me at speed.
2 were visible on Soho, 1 inside the depot & 1 outside that looked available.

730008+730020 (Four Oaks - Redditch) & 730011+730017 (Lichfield TV - Bromsgrove)
 
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crosscity said:
Report forMon 13May2024
UnitNameLast seen in WM serviceSourceNoteDate left WMTo
STILL WITH WM
323201Duddeston (DENAMED)Thu 02May2024RailUK
323203 (N)AstonSat 20Apr2024RailUK
323204Selly OakThu 09May2024Crosscity
323205 (N)Blake Street (DENAMED)Thu 09May2024Crosscity
323207 (N)BournvilleTue 30Apr2024RailUK
323210 (N)ShenstoneSat 20Apr2024RailUK
323211Four OaksWed 03Jan2024CrosscityAt Soho for repairs
323213 (N)Sutton ColdfieldMon 15Apr2024RailUK
323214Wylde GreenTue 26Dec2023RailUKAt Wolverton for repairs
323215Gravelly HillTue 30Apr2024Crosscity
323216UniversityThu 09May2024Crosscity
323217 (N)Chester RoadTue 30Apr2024RailUK
323218 (N)Lichfield CityThu 09May2024Crosscity
323219 (N)Kings NortonThu 09May2024Crosscity
323221Northfield (DENAMED). In Centro liveryThu 09May2024Crosscity
323222Redditch (DENAMED)Tue 30Apr2024RailUK
323240ErdingtonThu 09May2024Crosscity
323241 (N)Dave Pomroy 323 Fleet Engineer 40 Years ServiceMon 15Apr2024RailUK
323242 (N)AlvechurchThu 09May2024Crosscity
323243 (N)LongbridgeThu 09May2024Crosscity
TRANSFERRED TO NORTHERN
323202 (N)Butlers Lane (DENAMED)Fri 12Apr2024RailUKTransfer No 4Mon 15Apr2024Wolverton, then Allerton Fri 19Apr2024
323206 (N)Barnt GreenWed 17Apr2024RailUKTransfer No 5Mon 13May2024Allerton
323208 (N)Five Ways (DENAMED)TransferredTransfer No 1Sat 28Oct2023Allerton
323209 (N)Birmingham New Street (DENAMED)Thu 09May2024CrosscityTransfer No 6Mon 13May2024Allerton
323212 (N)Bromsgrove (DENAMED)Wed 27Dec2023RailUKTransfer No 2Thu 04Jan2024Wolverton, then Allerton Wed 10Jan2024
323220 (N)Lichfield Trent Valley (DENAMED)Wed 27Dec2023RailUKTransfer No 3Sat 06Jan2024Wolverton, then Allerton Wed 10Jan2024
(N)=Unit to transfer to Northern

Only actual sightings in public service included
Am now recording whether units have been denamed
206 & 209 transferred to Allerton today (is 206 de-named?)
Two 730 diagrams on Crosscity from today (A repeating Lichfield-Bromsgrove and Four Oaks-Redditch)
211 & 214 still under repair
No person has reported seeing 203/210/213 or 241 in service since Sat 20Apr
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211 is back in service as of today as per PTS blog.
206 is also denamed.

As per my sightings, 213, 222, 243 are denamed
 
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childwallblues said:
Ex WMT 323220 appears to be the only one in servce for Norther, Today it is on the Liverpool Lime Street to Wigan NW service.
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One of my friends saw it earlier in Manchester Piccadilly and messaged me confused "The class 323s are a browny orange?".
It seems to be on Diagram AN 108, which is mostly Liverpool-Wigan, but runs off to the Airport a couple times
Diagram AN 108 said:
DIAGRAM: AN 108 SX 323/0 LTP
AllrtnDep 05+24 5F68FN
Lime St 05+38 05.46 2F68FN
Wigan NW 06.32 06.52 2C03FA
Lime St 07.43 08.02 2A12FA
Mancr Air 09.25 09.32 2F29FA
Lime St 10.52 11.45 2F52FB
Wigan NW 12.32 12.53 2C15FA
Lime St 13.43 14.00 2A18FA
Mancr Air 15.25 15.32 2F23FB
Lime St 16.53 17.13 2F54FC
Wigan NW 18.00 18.21 2C26FA
Lime St 19.09 19.44 2F66FC
Wigan NW 20.32 20.52 2C31FA
Lime St 21.40 22.01 2A26FA
Mancr Air 23.21 23+36 5H26FA
ManchstrP 23+51 23+57 5W19FC 108(1)\109(2)
ArdwckTMD 00+02 MILES: (LD) 375.00 (ETY) 17.50 (TOT) 392.50
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In regards to the Northern end the internal speil says all the 323s should come into service after the June timetable change, training is still on going but certainly they will be running the full Liverpool Wigan work to begin with as well as supposedly heading out onto Blackpool work.
 
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Geeves said:
In regards to the Northern end the internal speil says all the 323s should come into service after the June timetable change, training is still on going but certainly they will be running the full Liverpool Wigan work to begin with as well as supposedly heading out onto Blackpool work.
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I’m guessing they will still need to run as 3 car service only as leyland still hasn’t completed it’s platform extension to accommodate 6 carriages and possibly same for Euxton
 
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Some guy said:
I’m guessing they will still need to run as 3 car service only as leyland still hasn’t completed it’s platform extension to accommodate 6 carriages and possibly same for Euxton
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Due to 3+2 and no tables a 3 car 323 with 277 seats has 93 more seats than a 3 car 331 with 184.

There are usually 3 different trains that run between Liverpool and Blackpool during most days and they're usually either 3 or 4 car, although I did see a 6 car the other day, which is very rare.
 
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How would that work through as currently the units that work Wigan to Liverpool go onto Manchester Airport aswell. With them wanting 4 car 331s mainly on that service will be interesting.
 
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"Following the arrival of the first additional class 323s from WMT, we’re planning to alter deployment, allowing increased use of 4-car 331s on Liverpool – Manchester Airport services."

So make of it what you will, youd assume they will be altering the unit diagrams to separate the Wigan and Airport work

Here's how its looking today

201 + 241 - Four Oaks - Redditch
202 - Springs Branch
203 + 211 - Litchfield TV - Bromsgrove
204 + 242 - Litchfield TV - Bromsgrove
205 + 218 - Litchfield TV - Bromsgrove
206 - Allerton
207 - Four Oaks - Redditch
208 - Blackpool N CS
209 - Allerton
210 - Soho
212 - Blackpool N CS
213 - Four Oaks - Redditch
214 - Wolverton
215 - Soho
216 - Four Oaks - Redditch
217 + 219 - Litchfield TV - Bromsgrove
220 - Ardwick TMD
221 + 240 - Litchfield TV - Bromsgrove
222 - Soho
 
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769s for now but likely there will be a large timetable recast when the wires are complete to Wigan NW, 323s will almost certainly be the traction for the Manc Cross City
 
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