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West Yorkshire Bus Franchising to go ahead

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The West Yorkshire Mayor Tracey Brabin and the West Yorkshire Combined Authority have today launched a consultation on bus reform in the county


The West Yorkshire Combined Authority (the Combined Authority) believes it needs to change the way local buses are run to achieve our ambitions for better buses in West Yorkshire. This webpage gives you details about our proposals and how you can get involved.



This consultation runs from 10 October 2023 to 7 January 2024



Buses are the most used form of public transport in West Yorkshire, with over 1.7 million bus journeys taken each week – but the number of passenger journeys are in long term decline and the industry faces many challenges with the way buses are currently run.

The Combined Authority believes that the way local buses are run needs to change to improve the local bus system for our communities who rely on it. The information in this consultation explains why the Combined Authority recommends bus franchising is the right way to do this, based on its assessment of the Proposed Franchising Scheme.

The Consultation Document sets out our plan for franchising in West Yorkshire and how this could be introduced. It also explores an alternative option we assessed, the Enhanced Partnership Plus (EP+), which details what else the Combined Authority and bus operators could do to improve local buses through the current legal framework. These two bus reform options are compared to the way buses are currently run, the Enhanced Partnership Reference Case (EP Reference Case).



This consultation will inform a decision by the Mayor of West Yorkshire on whether or not to introduce the Proposed Franchising Scheme in March 2024.



Should the Mayor make the decision to introduce franchising then buses in the region would be under the control of the Combined Authority. That means we would set the routes, frequency, fares and overall standards of buses in our region.

The Combined Authority wants to hear your views.

All information can be found in The Consultation Document (Link, opens new tab)

To answer some of your questions and queries, please read our Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs). You will also find the legal requirements for this consultation within our FAQs.

There are many documents to get your teeth into about proposals of how services would be grouped into lots, and what order they should be franchised, what to do with the fleet, the depots etc

It is planned for there to be 10 lots delivered in 3 phases with a mix of smaller and larger contracts within each lot

Leeds 1, Leeds 2, Leeds 3, Bradford, Keighley, Calderdale, South Kirklees, “Heavy Woollen”, Wakefield and “Five Towns”

If it all goes to plan they expecting the first services to be franchised in 2027
 
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I note that the area formerly known officially as "North Kirklees" has been rebranded to the slightly more historically relevant (but equally vague) "Heavy Woollen". A shame that so-called "South Kirklees" (because apparently Huddersfield is a dirty word) hasn't been treated the same. One can but hope the abomination that is Kirklees Council is not long for this world, given their sheer incompetence in recent times...

Back on topic, I hope that the mayor and her team are keeping a close eye on what goes on in Greater Manchester in order that any lessons that can be learned are in fact learned. Having been in the outer parts of Greater Manchester earlier today, the plethora of "Clean Air Zones" signs all with "UNDER REVIEW" tacked onto them should serve as a warning not to start any radical changes without the consent of the electorate.
 

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I assume that if this was to go ahead, that First would get it as First operates the majority of services in the area, although Arriva and Transdev would have something to say about that.
 

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The results are going to be interesting to see
If it all goes to plan they expecting the first services to be franchised in 2027
It would appear that it would come from June 2026 if the consultation results show that it happens. The announcement is to specifically be made on the 14th of March 2024.
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West Yorkshire bus franchising plans revealed as consultation is go​

Bus franchising could be introduced in West Yorkshire from June 2026, with a decision on whether such an avenue will be followed due to be made by Mayor Tracy Brabin on 14 March 2024.



Details of the franchising proposals are within documents including a consultation that were published by the West Yorkshire Combined Authority (WYCA) on 10 October. It believes that reregulation of services in the conurbation is the best way to deliver improvements. Ms Brabin previously made bus reregulation a manifesto commitment after it was first raised in early 2020.

The consultation notes that implementation would cost in the region of £358 million, with a £252 million fleet element of that involving 868 zero-emission buses (ZEBs) owned by WYCA spread over 14 years. Acquisition of 10 depots, and fit-out out for ZEBs, is estimated at £85.5 million.

10 zones proposed in West Yorkshire bus franchising plans​

Under plans laid down in a 981-page Bus Reform Assessment, West Yorkshire would be broken into 10 zones centred on existing large depots. Leeds is made up of three zones. Each of those 10 would then be split into lots.

The proposed franchising scheme would see large lots built around existing depots, and small lots with up to 45 buses in each
Local service contracts in each zone would consist of a single “large lot,” which WYCA expects will provide opportunities for major operators; and numerous smaller lots that will cover low-frequency services and have 1-45 buses each.

Other smaller lots will capture home-to-school routes, but those that are closed-door will be excepted, as will rail replacement work.

WYCA proposes that large lots would each come with a seven-year local service contract. Smaller lots’ duration would be determined on an individual basis. If franchising goes ahead, contract procurement is expected to begin in October 2025.

Competitive market for bus franchising contracts to be sought​

Its commercial case notes that WYCA wants a “competitive market for franchise contracts.” It thus plans to minimise barriers for entry to SME operators. The case says that the WYCA-owned ZEBs are slated to be purchased over the medium- to long-term and provided to successful bidders. There will be no immediate wholesale fleet renewal programme.

“During the initial phase of contracts, there may be a requirement for operators to provide fleet to supplement the Combined Authority-owned ZEBs, [but] this will not make up the majority of fleet in a lot and as a result, is not considered a barrier to entry,” the case says.

However, the preferred option for fleet strategy outlined in the Assessment document describes WYCA’s preferred approach as a “gradual intervention.” New ZEBs would be purchased at the rate of 62 per year, with a projected fleet of 868 of them by 2040. Some such buses are already in hand via successful Zero Emission Bus Regional Areas work.

WYCA wants to see an eventual 868-strong zero-emission bus fleet, but getting to that point will take until 2040, its proposals state
It thus appears clear that ZEBs would make up only a minority of most initial lot awards and that operators would provide the balance of stock during the transitional period.

For those, a residual value mechanism would be imposed should WYCA have “an obligation to acquire any fleet used as part of the contract at the end of the contract life,” it states.

Concern from SME operators already acknowledged by WYCA​

The Combined Authority has acknowledged likely concern from small bus operators in West Yorkshire around the potential for business loss via franchising. As a result, it may mandate that smaller lots could not be operated from a depot that provides a large lot.

“This would mean that while larger operators could bid for these smaller lots, they would not be able to use a large depot provided by the Combined Authority, as this would give them an advantage in tendering,” it explains.

The likely level of interest in franchising from SME operators is unclear. WYCA says that it has attempted to engage with them already. “This has proven difficult, as many of the organisations have limited resources and time spent in consultation may be a distraction from running their business,” the commercial case says.

The first round of franchising would capture Kirklees, one part of Leeds, and what WYCA describes as the “Heavy Woollen” area. Two more rounds would complete the process. Conclusion of the franchising rollout is expected by early 2028, if the process goes ahead. The consultation closes on 7 January 2024.
 
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The results are going to be interesting to see

It would appear that it would come from June 2026 if the consultation results show that it happens. The announcement is to specifically be made on the 14th of March 2024.
Souce:
https://www.route-one.net/news/west...ing-plans-revealed-as-consultation-is-go/West Yorkshire bus franchising plans revealed as consultation
We will also have to wait and see what happens after the next General Election and what Labour's policy is.
 

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However given Arriva are in the region of a buyout, it could mean that they face something worse, such as another operator taking over?
First has reportedly been looking at buying Arriva, whether that would get approved, we don't know. Unless someone like Stagecoach or Go Ahead buys them.
 

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First has reportedly been looking at buying Arriva, whether that would get approved, we don't know. Unless someone like Stagecoach or Go Ahead buys them.

Do you have a source for that?

I assume that if this was to go ahead, that First would get it as First operates the majority of services in the area, although Arriva and Transdev would have something to say about that.

There's 10 different franchise areas - I'd be surprised if First won all of them (or none of them).
 

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First has reportedly been looking at buying Arriva, whether that would get approved, we don't know. Unless someone like Stagecoach or Go Ahead buys them.

Thats not the case, such a sale would be blocked by the MMC and FirstGroup know that, they have been looking at some of the European operations but thats as far as it goes.

As for Franchising what other area's are interested in Franchising?, and how far could this go based on the fact that its underway in Greater Manchester, going to happen in Merseyside and we have a consultation in West Yorkshire. I am aware Lisa Nandy Labour MP for Wigan announced on qustion time a few weeks ago that she backed bus franchising and said that they would encourage Franchisng in the next Labour Government.
 
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I assume that if this was to go ahead, that First would get it as First operates the majority of services in the area, although Arriva and Transdev would have something to say about that.
It's going to be divvied up. With WYMetro providing some vehicles and depots, and a variety of large and small contracts available, it's going to be seriously tempting for Stagecoach, Transdev, Go-Ahead, and others to have a go at West Yorkshire.

Arriva probably won't be too pleased that their prime territory (by their standards at any rate) is being carved up for other operators. It is remarkable just how little competition there is in the area, so reduced barriers to entry could well be a benefit.

Whether Arriva will bid or not can probably be indicated by their participation or lack thereof in Merseyside. Losing Manchester, Merseyside and West Yorkshire operations would be strip them of some of their better areas, but they may not have the money or resources to bid and operate under a franchised structure. If they don't bid in WY, I wonder what would happen to their small Selby operation?
 

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Any speculation regarding the fate of Arriva is outwith the scope of this thread and should be discussed here:
 

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One interesting take from the documents is that there are three big lots in Leeds, one being mostly Bramley routes and the other two being Hunslet Park routes

If the different operators win the two Hunslet Park lots, it is said they will either look at establishing a new depot or seeing if dividing Hunslet Park into two completely separate depots would be possible.

There is a quote that says two operators sharing a depot would be “unusual and disliked by operators” so that wouldn’t be an option
 

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I assume that if this was to go ahead, that First would get it as First operates the majority of services in the area, although Arriva and Transdev would have something to say about that.
Depends whether (and which areas) they bid. While First do indeed dominate in certain areas of the county thanks to their ownership of the former Yorkshire Rider operations, they're pretty-much non-existent in the Heavy Woollen, Wakefield and Five Towns areas. In those districts Arriva are dominant.
 

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I'm dead against this franchising thing for West Yorkshire as it'll affect the smaller operators (e.g. E Stott & Son), prevent any further potential startups (e.g. South Pennine CT and Yorkshire Buses) and what will happen with cross boundary travel?

Bear in mind that there will be a Mayoral election next year to decide who will be the new West Yorkshire Metro Mayor, and it certainly won't be Brabin (unless the people of West Yorkshire would like to destroy the county some more). I say this as I cannot see what the issue is with the current enhanced partnership.
 

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I'm dead against this franchising thing for West Yorkshire as it'll affect the smaller operators (e.g. E Stott & Son), prevent any further potential startups (e.g. South Pennine CT and Yorkshire Buses
There will be lots which are designed for small companies, with PVRs of between 1 and 45, for which Stotts, Yorkshire Buses etc. can bid for in addition to the schools contracts.
 

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There will be lots which are designed for small companies, with PVRs of between 1 and 45, for which Stotts, Yorkshire Buses etc. can bid for in addition to the schools contracts.
Yes, but that strategy totally failed in Manchester, and the big companies just got it anyway.
 

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Depends whether (and which areas) they bid. While First do indeed dominate in certain areas of the county thanks to their ownership of the former Yorkshire Rider operations, they're pretty-much non-existent in the Heavy Woollen, Wakefield and Five Towns areas. In those districts Arriva are dominant.
Although I do think that major areas would be prioritized and that local routes would just be passed onto First.

It's going to be divvied up. With WYMetro providing some vehicles and depots, and a variety of large and small contracts available, it's going to be seriously tempting for Stagecoach, Transdev, Go-Ahead, and others to have a go at West Yorkshire.

Arriva probably won't be too pleased that their prime territory (by their standards at any rate) is being carved up for other operators. It is remarkable just how little competition there is in the area, so reduced barriers to entry could well be a benefit.

Whether Arriva will bid or not can probably be indicated by their participation or lack thereof in Merseyside. Losing Manchester, Merseyside and West Yorkshire operations would be strip them of some of their better areas, but they may not have the money or resources to bid and operate under a franchised structure. If they don't bid in WY, I wonder what would happen to their small Selby operation?
Transdev has some services in West Yorkshire, like Coastliner, but also services to LBA (Leeds Bradford Airport) and a few others. North and West Yorkshire is where Stagecoach lacks. Go Ahead has services in North Yorkshire but not West.
 
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Although I do think that major areas would be prioritized and that local routes would just be passed onto First.


Transdev has some services in West Yorkshire, like Coastliner, but also services to LBA (Leeds Bradford Airport) and a few others. North and West Yorkshire is where Stagecoach lacks. Go Ahead has services in North Yorkshire but not West.
In recent months Arriva have taken on more "local" services in areas they previously only did longer "inter-town" (for want of a better word) work- for example the 377/378 in Huddersfield. I don't think we can draw any conclusions about who will bid for what, or who will gain the various franchises, until we know a bit more about how it'll be set up. Growing up in Huddersfield I always thought of Arriva (and their predecessor operator Yorkshire/West Riding) as being a longer-distance firm as they only did routes to Leeds along the A62 corridor. In Wakefield or Dewsbury though, they do the locals too.

Speaking of Wakefield that's one place where Stagecoach do have some services, as they operate the 59(?) to and from Barnsley. They haven't ever had much of a presence elsewhere in the county since they sold off the Huddersfield bit of Yorkshire Traction though- just a few routes into Leeds from the Selby/Hull direction.
 

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In recent months Arriva have taken on more "local" services in areas they previously only did longer "inter-town" (for want of a better word) work- for example the 377/378 in Huddersfield. I don't think we can draw any conclusions about who will bid for what, or who will gain the various franchises, until we know a bit more about how it'll be set up. Growing up in Huddersfield I always thought of Arriva (and their predecessor operator Yorkshire/West Riding) as being a longer-distance firm as they only did routes to Leeds along the A62 corridor. In Wakefield or Dewsbury though, they do the locals too.

Speaking of Wakefield that's one place where Stagecoach do have some services, as they operate the 59(?) to and from Barnsley. They haven't ever had much of a presence elsewhere in the county since they sold off the Huddersfield bit of Yorkshire Traction though- just a few routes into Leeds from the Selby/Hull direction.
I agree that we can't speculate until at least after the next election to see what the new Mayor's (as I doubt that the incumbent will win) policy. Stagecoach's route to Wakefield is part of their South Yorkshire (where they dominate) division. Arriva is also looking to being sold (there's a separate thread on that so I won't go into it) which could shake things up.
 

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I agree that we can't speculate until at least after the next election to see what the new Mayor's (as I doubt that the incumbent will win) policy. Stagecoach's route to Wakefield is part of their South Yorkshire (where they dominate) division. Arriva is also looking to being sold (there's a separate thread on that so I won't go into it) which could shake things up.
In the current national political landscape can you really see anyone other than the ‘Labour party candidate’ i.e Brabin winning the next mayoral election?
 

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I'm dead against this franchising thing for West Yorkshire as it'll affect the smaller operators (e.g. E Stott & Son), prevent any further potential startups (e.g. South Pennine CT and Yorkshire Buses) and what will happen with cross boundary travel?

Bear in mind that there will be a Mayoral election next year to decide who will be the new West Yorkshire Metro Mayor, and it certainly won't be Brabin (unless the people of West Yorkshire would like to destroy the county some more). I say this as I cannot see what the issue is with the current enhanced partnership.
There may well be smaller franchises that will be geared towards the smaller operators. However, as we've seen with Greater Manchester, these have instead been taken by Rotala and First. In fact, IIRC, Wigan ended up being folded into the main franchise.

As for cross-boundary travel, that is already rather variable, and you would hope that the Manchester approach (i.e. permitting services to run in as long as they meet certain criteria) would be adopted rather than the short-sighted, parochial Liverpool City proposal. It should be pointed out that services from West to South Yorkshire are already considerably poorer than they were 20-30 years ago so it's hardly brilliant now.
Although I do think that major areas would be prioritized and that local routes would just be passed onto First.
They can't simply pass anything onto anyone. This is public sector procurement.
I agree that we can't speculate until at least after the next election to see what the new Mayor's (as I doubt that the incumbent will win) policy. Stagecoach's route to Wakefield is part of their South Yorkshire (where they dominate) division. Arriva is also looking to being sold (there's a separate thread on that so I won't go into it) which could shake things up.
I doubt that the sale of Arriva (or any other business) will impact markedly on this consultation and the result to progress (as it will be the outcome).
 

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Does the Liverpool proposal not allow any cross border services?
C'mon - you know the difference as we've discussed this at length elsewhere ;)

  • Manchester scheme has service permits whereby commercial services across the border are allowed as long as certain criteria are met
    • For example, the Preston - Chorley - Bolton service will carry on with Stagecoach, accepting Bee Network passes etc.
  • Liverpool scheme is based on full control of all services - no commercial services are allowed
    • For example, the Chester - Ellesmere Port - Liverpool service will be truncated at EP. EP to Liverpool will be directly under the Liverpool scheme. Chester to EP is not a consideration to Liverpool region so "stuff 'em"
So bringing it back to West Yorkshire, if the latter path was followed, you could have the 36 Leeds to Ripon being truncated at Harrogate, which would be farcical. Hence when they go to franchising, the Manchester solution would be better.
 

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In the current national political landscape can you really see anyone other than the ‘Labour party candidate’ i.e Brabin winning the next mayoral election?
Of course not, but a lot of people aren't satisfied with them.

I doubt that the sale of Arriva (or any other business) will impact markedly on this consultation and the result to progress (as it will be the outcome).
I assume by that, that you mean that First would likely win such a contract.
 

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There are certain trunk routes to out-of-area destinations such as the 36 to Ripon or the 164 to Selby which I could see a justification for them running themselves.
 

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I assume by that, that you mean that First would likely win such a contract.
Not at all. As we've seen in Manchester, awards are independent of who is the incumbent.

So to clarify...

Would any sale of Arriva to someone (e.g. a private equity firm or an infrastructure business or a global transport firm or whoever) impact the move to franchising? No
Would any sale of Arriva impact their ability to tender for franchises? Possibly, if they have limited capital to spend or management time is being diverted elsewhere


There are certain trunk routes to out-of-area destinations such as the 36 to Ripon or the 164 to Selby which I could see a justification for them running themselves.
Those were two that sprang to mind. I also thought of Coastliner, Burnley to Keighley, Rawtenstall to Todmorden etc
 

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If cross boundary is dealt with like in Manchester it’ll be based on where they currently operate from

So Halifax to Burnley is franchised, Leeds to Ripon gets a service permit and isn’t franchised

In the documents there is quite a lot of paragraphs talking about how important cross boundary routes are
 

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What can they all learn from London about cross-boundary routes? Many cross-boundary routes have already been lost and others broken at boundaries which, in traffic terms, are artificial. Rochdale - Blackburn, Oldham - Halifax and Barnsley - Manchester are examples.
 

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Not at all. As we've seen in Manchester, awards are independent of who is the incumbent.

So to clarify...

Would any sale of Arriva to someone (e.g. a private equity firm or an infrastructure business or a global transport firm or whoever) impact the move to franchising? No
Would any sale of Arriva impact their ability to tender for franchises? Possibly, if they have limited capital to spend or management time is being diverted elsewhere



Those were two that sprang to mind. I also thought of Coastliner, Burnley to Keighley, Rawtenstall to Todmorden etc
Would First buying Arriva like they have been rumored to, affect the sale? Absolutely yes.
 

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