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What does this sign mean?
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CarrotPie
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Don't hold onto the top of the door, because that's how they got broken.
DaleCooper
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Not fit for purpose if someone has to ask what it means.
Trainman40083
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I'm disappointed. I thought someone might say, don't touch the 25kv OHLE, cos it won't end well. But as someone said, if people don't know what it means, what is the value?
Seems pretty self explanatory to me, but I imagine every sign has someone who has asked what does it mean.
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Which rolling stock was this sign seen on?
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swt_passenger
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Is it the top of the door, not a shelf? So if you hold it there while closing the door it’s going to take your fingers off?
CarrotPie
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Class 700.
I don't know, the picture wasn't very clear.
As I say, there is always going to be some people. What percentage of the population could identify the meaning of all road signs in this country?
How would you redraw the sign to indicate that people shouldn't try and 'hang' from that part of the carriage?
It's the top of the door between First and Standard class. But there is a big gap around the door to allow the fire system to extract smoke from the compartment if required.
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I agree, the original photo having no explanation of what or where it was didn’t help either. But as @skyhigh has just explained it is the first class door then we seem to have the full explanation now.
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When more people, quite possibly, don't know what the warning sign is intended to mean, than actually do know, then I would suggest that the sign is vague/unclear and isn't doing a particularly effective job.
I'd agree, but there is so far no evidence that 'more people' don't know.
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Nor, to be fair, and by the same logic, is there any evidence to the contrary. Certainly the OP didn't know, or they quite probably wouldn't have created the thread.
edwin_m
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A pictogram of a hand crossed out would indicate "do not touch", which would serve the same purpose and be much clearer. That pictogram is used on the saloon doors of 158s where there is a risk of trapping if someone has their hand against it when it opens.
Apologies to all. The image was taken this morning, 27/3/24, within an Elizabeth Line train by a family member who posted it on a family chat group querying what it meant. I don't know how to edit my original post.
I also don't seem able to reply to the moderator who pointed out the error of my ways.
Z6
I also don't seem able to reply to the moderator who pointed out the error of my ways.
Z6
That's definitely not an Elizabeth line train in the photo.
CarrotPie
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Elizabeth line trains are Class 345; Class 700s run on Thameslink.
On your post on the left hand side you should see the word edit, next to the word report. Pressing edit should allow you to edit it.
Deepgreen
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While some may see it as obvious, I imagine most people would either not understand it, or even notice it anyway. It is not fit for purpose as it is small and not a sign that is seen generally and therefore will be new to the majority of people. I imagine it is almost completely ineffective.
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Indeed. Some box-ticking risk assessment exercise will, however, quite probably have been undertaken so that the "risk" (whatever it actually is) can then be deemed to have been adequately mitigated by the warning sign having being put in place.
If you are logged in, and looking at a post you posted yourself, it will say "Edit" just to the right of "Report".
I have 3 little dots followed by a down arrow which then gives me the option to edit. Thanks for your help. Z6
Very odd, I just get the word "Edit", no dots or arrow.
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Using a small screen perhaps ?.
As for the sign - no its not clear. I sat in first class on quite a few journeys puzzling the purpose of that sign. It did not appear like a hand over the top of a door - but then I cannot think of a time I have put my hand on the top of a door except when fitting, altering or removing a door (not that I do this on trains). Once I got to know what it meant it seems meaningful - but then it still also looks like one is not allowed to hold an automatic rifle above ones head.
The gap between door top and the frame above on the sign is greater than the real gap which does not help make it clear. I think what would be clearer is a line of black/yellow triangles all along the top of the door and the frame next to it. Also if the door was open and one was leaning on the frame when the train is crowded the door closing would get you and the sign does not mention that !.
To be fair the difference between these doors and other doors is there is a good gap either side so someone might be lulled into thinking it was also safe at the top - long shot.
Its actually not a warning sign (triangle) it is more an INSTRUCTION (circle) with FORBIDDEN (diagonal red line). But I feel sure it was put there to obviate liability if someone does decide to hold the door by the top.