What livery is this?

[MidnightFlyer]

I can tell it's First ScotRail, but how is this livery generally described? It doesn't quite seem like Dynamic Lines to me...

Cheers

 

[MCR247]

Barbie!

 

[HST Power]

MCR247 is quite right. It wouldn't be the first time such a livery has been applied either. FirstGroup have HST power cars branded 'Barbie' as well. See the link below.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3171/3077103080_89a83452b7.jpg

'Barbie' liveries also made their way into Railworks. This was taken by me at Reading.

 

[rail-britain]

Standard First Group for Rail Division First ScotRail
That is how it appears on the vinyls and livery diagrams
For other subsidiaries, then the name at the end changes
This livery, for First ScotRail, no longer exists

 

[tom1649]

Standard First Group for Rail Division First ScotRail
That is how it appears on the vinyls and livery diagrams
For other subsidiaries, then the name at the end changes
This livery, for First ScotRail, no longer exists

It's not officially called Barbie then? How disappointing. It would probably contravene a trademark though if it was used.

 

[jopsuk]

It's Barbie on Wikimedia Commons- see Here!

 

[Scotrail84]

Standard First Group for Rail Division First ScotRail
That is how it appears on the vinyls and livery diagrams
For other subsidiaries, then the name at the end changes
This livery, for First ScotRail, no longer exists

More DMUs are in barbie than the new saltire pash.

 

[90019]

This livery, for First ScotRail, no longer exists

If that's the case, I must have been imagining all the trains I saw whilst walking the dog this afternoon.

 

[rail-britain]

If that's the case, I must have been imagining all the trains I saw whilst walking the dog this afternoon.

The diagrams specific to this livery no longer permit it to be applied, any units requiring relivery must now have the TS livery
Loads of rolling stock obviously still carry this livery at present, but this livery has now joined many other former liveries (SPT Rail, etc)

 

[90019]

The diagrams specific to this livery no longer permit it to be applied, any units requiring relivery must now have the TS livery
Loads of rolling stock obviously still carry this livery at present, but this livery has now joined many other former liveries (SPT Rail, etc)

Indeed, it still exists on the majority of trains in the FSR fleet.

It can no longer be applied to trains being reliveried, but to say it doesn't exist on those grounds is wrong, regardless of context.

 

[WillPS]

It was still standard for GBRf until they were sold (last year?).

 

[rail-britain]

to say it doesn't exist on those grounds is wrong, regardless of context

According to assets the livery no longer exists (approval removed as at July 2011)
This now presents an issue for any rolling stock damaged, as it can no longer be touched up or partially painted (the last was a Class 156)
The solution is either plan base colour or a complete repaint into the next approved livery

 

[sprinterguy]

It was still standard for GBRf until they were sold (last year?).

Which I thought looked extremely awkward adorning the lines of main line freight locos: I've never been at all keen on "Barbie" livery, and call me old fashioned but I've always thought that freight locos should be painted in somthing workmanlike and easy to maintain/clean, not tarted up like buses...

 

[318259]

I, too, have never liked the First train livery. Can't beat the good old carmine and cream.

 

[Rhydgaled]

Which I thought looked extremely awkward adorning the lines of main line freight locos: I've never been at all keen on "Barbie" livery, and call me old fashioned but I've always thought that freight locos should be painted in somthing workmanlike and easy to maintain/clean, not tarted up like buses...

I disliked the FGW version of Barbie, but I neither like nor dislike the ScotRail/FNW version (with the white stripe rather than the gold of FGW), it's kind-of in the middle.

 

[Schnellzug]

According to assets the livery no longer exists (approval removed as at July 2011)
This now presents an issue for any rolling stock damaged, as it can no longer be touched up or partially painted (the last was a Class 156)
The solution is either plan base colour or a complete repaint into the next approved livery

Approval removed? is it no longer Safe? was this a decision by the Politicians? Do they worry about important things like this because that means they don't have to make Decisions about anything that matters?

 

[Bon Accord]

No, it's one of the Scottish Govt's better decisions - rather than rolling stock liveries, station colour schemes and staff uniforms changing (at great expense) every few years viz fashion or when the franchisee changes, simply have one standard colour scheme that remains forever more.
The franchisee is only allowed to apply very small vinyls to the stock doors and on station fronts so as to identify the operator, ergo in the long term money will be saved and colour schemes will remain recognisable to the travelling public.
You can see the small First vinyls on the doors in this shot: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Scotrail_Saltire_Livery_Class_158.jpg
Personally I think there should be standard colour schemes UK wide for Intercity and regional stock, and anything that gets rid of the "F in circle" can only be a good thing.

 

[WillPS]

Worth remembering that all the 185s wear this livery, you just can't see it as they have vinyl wraps with Dynamic Lines.

 

[starrymarkb]

No, it's one of the Scottish Govt's better decisions - rather than rolling stock liveries, station colour schemes and staff uniforms changing (at great expense) every few years viz fashion or when the franchisee changes, simply have one standard colour scheme that remains forever more.
The franchisee is only allowed to apply very small vinyls to the stock doors and on station fronts so as to identify the operator, ergo in the long term money will be saved and colour schemes will remain recognisable to the travelling public.
You can see the small First vinyls on the doors in this shot: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Scotrail_Saltire_Livery_Class_158.jpg
Personally I think there should be standard colour schemes UK wide for Intercity and regional stock, and anything that gets rid of the "F in circle" can only be a good thing.

Until TS get bored and rebrand - Even nationalised companies rebrand on occasion. Witness the various BR Liveries

 

[Schnellzug]

Until TS get bored and rebrand - Even nationalised companies rebrand on occasion. Witness the various BR Liveries

whatever's to stop the next Scottish Govt. from deciding that the current livery was a product of their predecessor, and so has to be replaced by something else? Seems just another way for the railways to be treated as a political football, not to mention the not-all-that-subtle message that the Scottish parliament would rather not have private companies running their trains, and they only are because that's what's inflicted on them by Westminster, hence the eradication of any mention of the actual operator.

 

[90019]

hence the eradication of any mention of the actual operator.

Apart from the operator's logos on the doors of the trains and signs at stations.

 

[Bon Accord]

Until TS get bored and rebrand - Even nationalised companies rebrand on occasion. Witness the various BR Liveries

Yes, but even nationalised companies didn't rebrand everything, e.g. locos, stock, stations, staff uniforms, paperwork, signs etc almost overnight and at great expense a couple of times a decade.
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whatever's to stop the next Scottish Govt. from deciding that the current livery was a product of their predecessor, and so has to be replaced by something else?

Well this current rebrand to TS was actually instigated by the previous Labour Govt, and the SNP seem quite happy with it.
Now, since they're the only two political parties who will hold political power in Scotland for the foreseeable future, I would think we're pretty safe.