What's happening on the ECML? on 18/19 April and 16/17 May

[mm333]

Hull Trains website says for both of these two-day midweek periods: "We are awaiting confirmation of Network Rail engineering works on our route. Confirmed service details will be added below as soon as we have received a confirmation."

It's unusual for midweek engineering works to impact on their services, so what's happening on the ECML or the Doncaster-Hull line on those dates?

 

[The Middle]

Lincoln diversions or GNGE Joint Line if you prefer

 

[mm333]

I can't remember them ever being mid-week before

 

[barbette165]

Lincoln diversions or GNGE Joint Line if you prefer

Also mentioned on Lumo site for the same dates.

 

[midland1]

Not yet shown on RTT, just normal service, well as normal as it is normal. Perhaps not sorted it all out yet.

 

[87015]

Not yet shown on RTT, just normal service, well as normal as it is normal. Perhaps not sorted it all out yet.

Yes, amended timtables clearly aren't published yet. Just the forum silver foil hatters tryting to profit that will be selling knowingly incorrect tickets.

 

[yorkie]

Yes, amended timtables clearly aren't published yet. Just the forum silver foil hatters tryting to profit that will be selling knowingly incorrect tickets.

I've no idea what you are trying to say here, or who you are referring to; is this some sort of accusation?

 

[mm333]

Another midweek ECML closure coming in June: https://www.lner.co.uk/travel-information/travelling-later/timetables/

Wednesday 21 to Thursday 22 June​

Network Rail will be carrying out planned engineering work between Newcastle and Alnmouth.​

• There will be an hourly train between Edinburgh and Alnmouth.
• There will be 2 trains per hour starting and ending at Newcastle.
• Rail replacement will operate between Alnmouth and Newcastle in both directions.
• Harrogate services will be reduced, we will operate 1 train in each direction.
• Lincoln services will be reduced, we will operate 1 train in each direction.
• There will be no trains to or from Sunderland and Middlesbrough.

 

[3RDGEN]

No mention of diversions via Carlisle but the reduction in Harrogate / Lincoln service suggests they need the bi-modes for such diversions? Mid week blocks will be an interesting trial but late June is close to the Scottish summer tourism season.

 

[mm333]

From the looks of the change to the Routeing Guide, there will be diversions via Carlisle: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/national-routeing-guide-update.99396/page-51

701084 (Map) Customers travelling to Edinburgh and beyond, whose normal route is via Newcastle and Berwick upon Tweed, may travel via Carlisle during engineering works on 21 June 2023. The weekends of 16th - 17th, 23rd - 24th, and 30th September 2023. And the 1st, 7th - 8th October 2023. This map easement applies in both directions

 

[The Middle]

From the looks of the change to the Routeing Guide, there will be diversions via Carlisle: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/national-routeing-guide-update.99396/page-51

I haven't seen anything from LNER to suggest they are going Tyne Valley ok this occasion. I think this is just that tickets will be valid via Carlisle. I.e. Northern and change onto Avanti/TPE

Correction: Looks like they will be going Tyne Valley 1 TPH

 

[greyman42]

Lincoln diversions or GNGE Joint Line if you prefer

Can someone clarify when this is happening?

 

[30907]

Can someone clarify when this is happening?

The second of the dates in the thread title but not the 1st according to NRE.

 

[The Middle]

Can someone clarify when this is happening?

16th & 17th May. All the timetables are in public systems now

 

[55002]

Engineering between Grantham and Doncaster isn’t it?

 

[Snow1964]

Network Rail is trialling midweek engineering Grantham - Doncaster, as weekends are now busier

However, the pandemic has seen travel trends change, with increased demand on weekends for long-distance services using London King’s Cross.

Research carried out by the Great British Railways Transition Team (GBRTT) showed that in February, nationally the number of weekend rail journeys were 21% higher than pre-pandemic levels, reflecting strong leisure demand. On the East Coast Main Line, recent data from LNER shows that Fridays and Sundays are now proving to be the most popular days for people to travel. To reflect this new pattern for rail travel, Network Rail and East Coast Main Line train operators will trial carrying out the work mid-week to reduce disruption for passengers.

The work will take place on Tuesday 16 and Wednesday 17 May and will see improvements to the tracks, as well as to overhead line equipment, which provides power to trains. Work will also take place to improve drainage along the route

Passengers urged to plan ahead as Network Rail trials mid-week engineering work on East Coast Main Line

Network Rail and train operators are advising passengers to plan ahead and check before travelling as teams carry out vital work to upgrade the railway between Grantham and Doncaster.

www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk

 

[mm333]

Not going well today. From NRES:

“There is a broken down freight train near Peterborough between Spalding and Peterborough disrupting trains on the Doncaster / Lincoln / Peterborough route.

“The freight operator are sending an engineer to the train to investigate the problem, currently expected to arrive by 19:00.”

LNER are telling everyone to go via St Pancras or Euston. HT sending everyone via St Pancras.

 

[800001]

Not going well today. From NRES:

“There is a broken down freight train near Peterborough between Spalding and Peterborough disrupting trains on the Doncaster / Lincoln / Peterborough route.

“The freight operator are sending an engineer to the train to investigate the problem, currently expected to arrive by 19:00.”

LNER are telling everyone to go via St Pancras or Euston. HT sending everyone via St Pancras.

Reports of no more services between Doncaster and London for the remainder of the day.

The ‘failed freight’ has a locked/seized axle on, I think, the loco, and is unable to be moved.

EMR unable to accept any more customers are St Pancras is rammed.

 

[TheBigD]

4L87 being the freight train affected. Wagon with a seized axle is what I have been told but I'm not able to confirm.

 

[LowLevel]

Locked axle on the rearmost wagon, apparently.

Absolutely predictable that sod's law kicks in and it happens in an impassable location, of course. It's been there for getting for 3 hours and the eta for a fitter isn't till 1900.

 

[Mag_seven]

Why are down services affected when the failed freight is on the up? I assume to avoid a set imbalance tomorrow morning?

 

[800001]

Why are down services affected when the failed freight is on the up? I assume to avoid a set imbalance tomorrow morning?

Where do you put all the trains? Everything would be north of the failed train? With no way of sending any trains back south.
What do you do with the crews etc

 

[Mag_seven]

Where do you put all the trains? Everything would be north of the failed train? With no way of sending any trains back south.
What do you do with the crews etc

Yes that's exactly what I suggested with my question about set imbalances.

 

[TheBigD]

Why are down services affected when the failed freight is on the up? I assume to avoid a set imbalance tomorrow morning?

Nothing has gone south for a while. 1E11 (due Peterborough 1500) only made it south of Spalding before being returned north. I have heard over 750 people onboard 1E11 but no idea whether that's correct or not.

 

[800001]

Nothing has gone south for a while. 1E11 (due Peterborough 1500) only made it south of Spalding before being returned north. I have heard over 750 people onboard 1E11 but no idea whether that's correct or not.

750+ is correct.

 

[hexagon789]

Any further reports on the freight?

I hope it isn't bad enough to need a wheelskate.

 

[800001]

Single Line working hopefully to implemented by 1900, how ever set and crew displacement will make it hard to run services.

 

[55002]

There’s been issues northbound out of derby also, trains on move now it appears an hour late.

 

[800001]

There’s been issues northbound out of derby also, trains on move now it appears an hour late.

Tresspassers

The failed freight should be on the move shortly at 5mph, after which the like will open.
1E25 the only LNER to run on the up this evening.

 

[TheBigD]

Hull Trains' 1A96 en route south of Gainsborough so looks like things are moving again.

Edit - 4L87 slowly on the move to the Werrington diveunder where it will be out the way.