Where is Salford?

[pablo]

Dunno. I'm lost. Where is Salford?

 

[HowardGWR]

Having looked further I find it difficult to understand what the use of Patricroft or Clifton stations might be.

Does anyone know where these two stand in usage stats? Looking at both, I would be worried about any daughter of mine going anywhere near them. I would not be much more unconcerned about a young son either.

 

[snail]

Salford Crescent is enough surely

Try saying that to the hundreds of passengers that use Salford Central every day. It's far enough from Victoria and Oxford Road/Deansgate to warrant its use as a commuter station for the country's third largest city (even though it is the 'wrong' side of the river ). I would much rather catch my train from there than walk or get a bus to Piccadilly to fight my way on to a service. As previously said, Salford doesn't need a defined centre as it is separated from Manchester city centre only by the river Irwell.

I think fair few users will stay in Salford as well, there are two large HMRC buildings within 5 minutes walk and a new office development planned alongside the viaducts.

 

[Bevan Price]

Hard to believe it now, from its current state, but the Chapel Street area of Salford was once part of a thriving residential and shopping area. Large amounts of terraced housing there, and towards the site of Cross Lane station were swept into oblivion by "slum clearance" and later by the building of the M602.

Pendleton was an independemt township until brought into Salford in 1853. As for the other stations, Pendleton on the Bolton line closed in the 1950s. Pendleton Broad Street was later renamed Pendleton. After the opening of Salford Crescent, services at Pendleton (ex-Broad Street) were reduced to not quite a "Parliamentary" level, and usage inevitably declined. After the fire, it was considered not worth repairing, although it took about 3 years between "temporary" & "official" closure.

Patricroft is another station to have suffered due to removal of local residents following slum clearance. Clifton (formerly Clifton Junction) served the (now much-diminished) industrial sites near the station. Being near the bottom of a valley, with most of the housing located some distance away, on the "hill side", it is difficult for it to attract much passenger traffic ihilst fairly frequent buses pass close to the housing areas.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Dunno. I'm lost. Where is Salford?

HINT : It is not the one of almost similar spelling that is in-between Earlswood and Horley..

 

[Darren R]

It's best suited as a Spinningfields, Deansgate and NW Manchester CBD station.

Now there's a snappy name for a railway station!

Pendleton Broad Street was never going to survive long with the opening of Salford Crescent, which is almost literally just around the corner and has a much better service. For a few years Pendleton retained a half-hourly service, with all trains on the Atherton line continuing to call, but this started to dwindle after 1991. First services became hourly, then the station closed in the evenings, and by the time of the fire it was little more than a Parly.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Pendleton Broad Street was never going to survive long with the opening of Salford Crescent, which is almost literally just around the corner and has a much better service. For a few years Pendleton retained a half-hourly service, with all trains on the Atherton line continuing to call, but this started to dwindle after 1991. First services became hourly, then the station closed in the evenings, and by the time of the fire it was little more than a Parly.

Yet in its early days, when it was opened by the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway in 1889 as a four-platform station, built to serve the new lines that led to Wigan and by use of the new Brindle Heath chord, the line to Bolton, it was an important station.

I mention this as a comparison to the narrow single island platform of Salford Crescent that today also has to serve the lines to Wigan and to Bolton.

 

[Dunc108]

Try saying that to the hundreds of passengers that use Salford Central every day. It's far enough from Victoria and Oxford Road/Deansgate to warrant its use as a commuter station for the country's third largest city (even though it is the 'wrong' side of the river ). I would much rather catch my train from there than walk or get a bus to Piccadilly to fight my way on to a service. As previously said, Salford doesn't need a defined centre as it is separated from Manchester city centre only by the river Irwell.

I think fair few users will stay in Salford as well, there are two large HMRC buildings within 5 minutes walk and a new office development planned alongside the viaducts.

Salford Central also used to have its own bay platform for terminating East Lancs services generally used in peak hours only. It will really come into its own if they re-open the 2 disused platforms in conjunction with the Ordsall Curve aswell as Liverpool services, as well as being a valuble relief station for Victoria aswell. It will be then as valuble to to Victoria line as Oxford Road is to the Picc line. They need to get those platforms raised though.
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Yet in its early days, when it was opened by the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway in 1889 as a four-platform station, built to serve the new lines that led to Wigan and by use of the new Brindle Heath chord, the line to Bolton, it was an important station.

I mention this as a comparison to the narrow single island platform of Salford Crescent that today also has to serve the lines to Wigan and to Bolton.

Salford Crescent was the replacement for Broad Street. Actually you can still see the platforms in places hiding under the rubble when passing on an Atherton line service. Pendleton Broad Street had at one stage it's own morning through service to Blackpool North, not sure if this was just summer only & could have been 1970s.

 

[martinsh]

I'm surprised that nobody has yet stated the obvious - the centre of Salford is the Crescent pub !!:roll:

 

[cle]

Try saying that to the hundreds of passengers that use Salford Central every day. It's far enough from Victoria and Oxford Road/Deansgate to warrant its use as a commuter station for the country's third largest city (even though it is the 'wrong' side of the river ). I would much rather catch my train from there than walk or get a bus to Piccadilly to fight my way on to a service. As previously said, Salford doesn't need a defined centre as it is separated from Manchester city centre only by the river Irwell.

I think fair few users will stay in Salford as well, there are two large HMRC buildings within 5 minutes walk and a new office development planned alongside the viaducts.

Keep your knickers dry - I meant Salford Crescent is enough in terms of having a station with the name 'Salford' in it. I wasn't advocating closing Salford Central! But rebranding it - if you'd read the thread, that would be apparent.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Keep your knickers dry - I meant Salford Crescent is enough in terms of having a station with the name 'Salford' in it. I wasn't advocating closing Salford Central! But rebranding it - if you'd read the thread, that would be apparent.

Being from the somewhat deep rural parts of Cheshire East, not knowing much of the new development that has taken place between Deansgate and the River Irwell from Bridge Street to Quay Street, can someone confirm the exact location of "Spinningfields"...is that new area classified as being in Manchester or in Salford, as if it is in Manchester, its name should not be conjoined to a Salford railway station.

 

[northwichcat]

Now there's a snappy name for a railway station!

What about Salford and Manchester station? Maybe there's an abbreviation for that could be used? :roll:

 

[telstarbox]

Being from the somewhat deep rural parts of Cheshire East, not knowing much of the new development that has taken place between Deansgate and the River Irwell from Bridge Street to Quay Street, can someone confirm the exact location of "Spinningfields"...is that new area classified as being in Manchester or in Salford, as if it is in Manchester, its name should not be conjoined to a Salford railway station.

Spinningfields is definitely in Manchester, although it can be considered as part of a wider area of development including the (proposed) Granada redevelopment on the Manchester side and the Lowry Hotel and Riverside offices on the Salford side.

 

[HowardGWR]

Spinningfields is definitely in Manchester, although it can be considered as part of a wider area of development including the (proposed) Granada redevelopment on the Manchester side and the Lowry Hotel and Riverside offices on the Salford side.

"Chapel Street for Spinningfields" then?

Great graphics by the way on the link.

 

[snail]

"Chapel Street for Spinningfields" then?

But it's not on Chapel Street!

New Bailey* perhaps? (That's to confuse the people that think it's on Bridge Street )

*an old name for the area between the railway and river, site of the New Bailey prison.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

May I venture a renaming to Salford City

 

[cle]

Spinningfields and Salford?

I'm sure a private sector person could contribute, and having it in the name (being more of a destination) is important.

Besides, railway stations should be about place and destinations, rather than technicalities and arbitrary boundaries. It'll be serving Manchester, plain and simple.

 

[merlodlliw]

May I venture a renaming to Salford City

a couple of points, when I worked in Cross Street Manchester for a newspaper,if I recall the bridge under Victoria station was half in Salford/Manchester this on the road to strangeways prison, I am almost sure part of the enormous platform 11 between Exchange & Victoria was crossing the border,this platform was 2194 feet (669m) almost half a mile long the longest in Europe at the time.

As for Cathedrals, Wrexham has a RC Cathedral, but remains a town, strangely twice it lost being a City, on the third occasion the public said no,So St Asaph became a City twice,once for its Cathedral since ? when it had a Station and once in the Queens Jubilee when the railway had left.

 

[HowardGWR]

But it's not on Chapel Street!

New Bailey* perhaps? (That's to confuse the people that think it's on Bridge Street )

*an old name for the area between the railway and river, site of the New Bailey prison.

I'm OK with that. I noticed it was just off Chapel St and the latter stretches for a long way so it isn't so useful.
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May I venture a renaming to Salford City

You may indeed Paul, but in view of the foregoing discussion, it would seem inappropriate because Salford seems just like a suburb of Manchester, not a really convincing separate place. By using a new name one removes the confusion.

 

[telstarbox]

You may indeed Paul, but in view of the foregoing discussion, it would seem inappropriate because Salford seems just like a suburb of Manchester, not a really convincing separate place. By using a new name one removes the confusion.

Controversial! Salfordians have not been happy with the recent rebranding of "MediaCityUK: Manchester" and "University of Salford: Manchester".

http://www.salfordstar.com/article.asp?id=1890

 

[cle]

Swimming against the tide. It's basically 'West Manchester'. Along with Trafford.

 

[edwin_m]

a couple of points, when I worked in Cross Street Manchester for a newspaper,if I recall the bridge under Victoria station was half in Salford/Manchester this on the road to strangeways prison, I am almost sure part of the enormous platform 11 between Exchange & Victoria was crossing the border,this platform was 2194 feet (669m) almost half a mile long the longest in Europe at the time.

Yes, the Irwell marks the boundary and the railway crosses it between Victoria and the former Exchange station. It also passes under the approach ramp of Manchester Exchange, so although the street entrance of that station was in Manchester the station itself was in Salford!

If you walk by the shortest route from Deansgate towards Strangeways you stay in Manchester (just), going under the railway just east of the Irwell. However Victoria Street outside the Cathedral is now closed to traffic, which has to dodge into Salford and back again. The boundary leaves the Irwell a little further upstream and the A56 Bury New Road crosses into Salford about half a mile after Strangeways.

 

[Eagle]

Swimming against the tide. It's basically 'West Manchester'. Along with Trafford.

Some parts of Salford would be better described as 'East Bolton' I think.

 

[merlodlliw]

If you walk by the shortest route from Deansgate towards Strangeways you stay in Manchester (just), going under the railway just east of the Irwell. However Victoria Street outside the Cathedral is now closed to traffic, which has to dodge into Salford and back again. The boundary leaves the Irwell a little further upstream and the A56 Bury New Road crosses into Salford about half a mile after Strangeways.

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Thanks for that Edwin, I now recall the ramp into Exchange being in Manchester & then entering the station in Salford. A bit like the border at Chester, a pub had a sign just by the railway bridge at Saltney "Last house in England/first house in England" depending which way you traveled, this was in Welsh Sunday drinking prohibition times,wisely the good folk of Flintshire ensured the County from Saltney to Rhyl became wet,when the rest of North Wales remained dry,a bit off the subject,the then Flintshire Maelor also called English Maelor a separated part of Flintshire totally landlocked within Denbighshire which also became wet. The railway from Wrexham to Ellesmere became known as the Dry/wet/wet line on Sundays.[/QUOTE]

 

[HowardGWR]

Thanks for that Edwin, I now recall the ramp into Exchange being in Manchester & then entering the station in Salford. A bit like the border at Chester, a pub had a sign just by the railway bridge at Saltney "Last house in England/first house in England" depending which way you traveled, this was in Welsh Sunday drinking prohibition times,wisely the good folk of Flintshire ensured the County from Saltney to Rhyl became wet,when the rest of North Wales remained dry,a bit off the subject,the then Flintshire Maelor also called English Maelor a separated part of Flintshire totally landlocked within Denbighshire which also became wet. The railway from Wrexham to Ellesmere became known as the Dry/wet/wet line on Sundays.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

I posted earlier that, street-viewing the Pendleton high rise area of Salford that both estate pubs were boarded up so they are permanently 'dry' apparently.

Back on topic, the Metrolink page that Paul S linked to, shewed a great number of buses passing under the station into town, so it would appear that the area is not so isolated as one might fear.

 

[St Rollox]

Are Manchester United not from Salford?

 

[Eagle]

Are Manchester United not from Salford?

No, they're from Trafford. Although the team was originally founded in Newton Heath, which is in Manchester (east of the city centre).

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Are Manchester United not from Salford?

You are at risk of the wrath and much heated comment that was generated on the Football thread, when this comment was made by a supporter of Leeds United.

The area of that football ground is NOT in Salford. Trafford Park, the once major engineering hub of the North-West is also NOT in Salford.

Salford City Council have never collected any business or domestic rates from any properties on that side of the Manchester Ship Canal.

 

[Andrew Nelson]

I was quite surprised to find both the settlements of Walsden and Todmorden were incorporated into the area that was administered by the Hundred of Salford.

Walsden and some of Todmorden were in Lancashire too.

 

[merlodlliw]

The area of that football ground is NOT in Salford. Trafford Park, the once major engineering hub of the North-West is also NOT in Salford.

Paul was this the home of "Gorton Tank" and Beyer Peacock,Locomotive builders
an old boss of mine who worked at Trafford Parks Carborundum factory,called the park the United Nations, one wonders how many thousands worked there in its heyday. I also remember when Salford was the largest inland docks in the Country,with a pub on each street corner when I went to my firms garage in Broughton Lane also known as the stables.