Which trains still have hopper toilet that release onto the track? (2023)

[thenorthern]

Earlier this week I was having a discussion with someone about the "do not flush while the train is in a station" sings in train toilets as they came across one recently.

I was wondering though which rolling stock still releases toilet waste directly onto the tracks? Also when were the last trains built that didn't have retention tanks.

I know when a lot of trains were refurbished to meet PRM standards they had retention tanks fitted.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Not sure by any means, but I've a feeling the last "new" stock without retention tanks would be the 321/9s procured by West Yorkshire PTE, or possibly the 323s.

I don't think there'll be anything in regular service that still dumps on the tracks, maybe some charter stock. Anything that didn't have the entire toilet module ripped out and replaced might still have the warning stickers in place even after tanks were fitted.

 

[Alfie1014]

Pretty sure no trains operating scheduled services have them now. They should all have been gone by Dec 2020 (in line with all trains being PRM TSI compliant), but due to external factors (including COVID) the last non compliant trains with toilets were the the non PRM GA 321s that were withdrawn last summer I think?

 

[HamworthyGoods]

It’s just some of the private coaching stock left in use which usually runs on charter trains. Some have been fitted but some such as the vintage trains ones haven’t yet.

 

[LowLevel]

Charter trains but they have all to be done by, if I remember rightly, May 2023.

All other trains are already done and have been for a little while.

 

[1Q18]

Charter trains but they have all to be done by, if I remember rightly, May 2023.

All other trains are already done and have been for a little while.

I believe that some charter stock has a derogation to run a short time past May but with a plan in place to fit CET* asap.

*Controlled Emission Toilets

 

[jagardner1984]

Was there not quite a concerted (and very justified) RMT campaign on this a few years back.

Always astonished me how in major terminals you would just be looking at raw sewage on the tracks whilst awaiting your train until really very recently !

 

[fgwrich]

Charter trains but they have all to be done by, if I remember rightly, May 2023.

All other trains are already done and have been for a little while.

I'm not sure what else is left that hasn't had them fitted by now;

LSL's Mk1 rake has them, along with CDL (and additional vehicles are having them fitted at the point of rebuild)
LSL's Mk2 rake has them (Statesman Rail)
LSL's Mk3s has had them fitted with additional vehicles having them fitted at the point of repaint
WCRC's Mk1s I believe has had some fitted, SRPS likewise
125 Group is currently fitting them (currently at the prototype stage with 42111)

The only vehicles possibly not yet fitted are West Coast's ex Riviera Mk1 rake. VSOE has them.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

I'm not sure what else is left that hasn't had them fitted by now;

LSL's Mk1 rake has them, along with CDL (and additional vehicles are having them fitted at the point of rebuild)
LSL's Mk2 rake has them (Statesman Rail)
LSL's Mk3s has had them fitted with additional vehicles having them fitted at the point of repaint
WCRC's Mk1s I believe has had some fitted, SRPS likewise
125 Group is currently fitting them (currently at the prototype stage with 42111)

The only vehicles possibly not yet fitted are West Coast's ex Riviera Mk1 rake. VSOE has them.

Vintage trains don’t have them yet.

 

[theageofthetra]

What about the mk2 & mk1s in the Network rail track monitoring loco hauled sets?

 

[HamworthyGoods]

What about the mk2 & mk1s in the Network rail track monitoring loco hauled sets?

That is why they all now have an ex Cally Sleeper mk2 coach in there to provide the tank fitted toilets.

 

[blue87]

Not sure by any means, but I've a feeling the last "new" stock without retention tanks would be the 321/9s procured by West Yorkshire PTE, or possibly the 323s.

I don't think there'll be anything in regular service that still dumps on the tracks, maybe some charter stock. Anything that didn't have the entire toilet module ripped out and replaced might still have the warning stickers in place even after tanks were fitted.

Class 323s had retention tank toilets from New they certainly do now they've be retrofitted with disabled toilets which are the vacuum type like most other trains.

 

[fgwrich]

What about the mk2 & mk1s in the Network rail track monitoring loco hauled sets?

Retention tanks through the hiring of the ex Caledonian Sleeper MK2 BUOs from ERS.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Class 323s had retention tank toilets from New they certainly do now they've be retrofitted with disabled toilets which are the vacuum type like most other trains.

Cheers, wasn't sure if they had them from new.

Any advances on the OP's question on the last new stock that didn't have tanks?

(But did have toilets, before some smart-alec suggests the LO Aventras or 777s)

 

[hexagon789]

Any advances on the OP's question on the last new stock that didn't have tanks?

My guess was 158s, as the last of those was built after the last 321 I believe?

 

[43096]

Retention tanks through the hiring of the ex Caledonian Sleeper MK2 BUOs from ERS.

And the TSOs acquired from DRS in the last year or two.

 

[1Q18]

What about the mk2 & mk1s in the Network rail track monitoring loco hauled sets?

The last discharge toilets in the infrastructure monitoring fleet were decommissioned or replaced around two years ago. The Caledonian Sleeper vehicles were a quick fix hire to add controlled emission toilets to the ultrasonic trains. The PLPR fleet and New Measurement Train have had CET toilets for quite a few years.

And the TSOs acquired from DRS in the last year or two.

The toilets on those aren’t used, AFAIK. I don’t believe they’ve been fitted with our 415V high level jumper cables to power them, they’re just brake runners.

 

[43096]

The toilets on those aren’t used, AFAIK. I don’t believe they’ve been fitted with our 415V high level jumper cables to power them, they’re just brake runners.

Ta for that. I had understood the reason for acquiring them was to allow the BUOs to be off-leased. Obviously not!