XC HST Diagrams from December?

[MCR247]

Are they staying the same or are they changing. If the latter, then does anyone know what they'll be?

 

[37401]

I beleve they will stay the same but could be wrong

 

[MCR247]

Cheers

 

[43034 The Black Horse]

I beleve they will stay the same but could be wrong

Or Not...

I heard through a fellow colleague that from the Winter TT XC will only be using 2 HSTs Monday - Friday and 4 on a Weekend again !

 

[37401]

Or Not...

2 on a weekday 4 on a weekend...errm wheres the logic in that, more people travel on Mon-Fri then sat-sun, in the past ive done the same HST bashes on a sat as ive done on a Mon-Fri,

 

[43034 The Black Horse]

There is no logic, it's the railway...

 

[route:oxford]

I keep hoping an HST is put on the Sunday 13.33 service from Edinburgh to Reading. I'm sure even a 47 and DVT could keep up with the timings - last time I was on it there was a 20 minute wait at Newcastle a further 10 minute wait some point between Doncaster and it sat at Birmingham New Street for 10 minutes too.

 

[87031]

f they decide to go with only 2 sets whats gonna happen with the other 2 sets surely they wont lie around all week till weekends?:roll:

 

[richa2002]

f they decide to go with only 2 sets whats gonna happen with the other 2 sets surely they wont lie around all week till weekends?:roll:

Outside of London, it's a bit of a fallacy to say the fewer people travel on a weekend. I'd say Cross Country serves the sort of routes which attract weekend trippers. Just look at how busy trains are on National Express East Coast on Saturdays and especially Sundays!

 

[87031]

i did a lot of X country HSTs recently on an ALR and they seemed busy all week just different punters on Saturdays holiday people mainly. Dont see why they should not stick with the same 4 now......One thing they could change is having a set at laira for an earlier morning service instead of 1221 being the first HST. Surely Aberdeen-Penzance warrants the extra capacity of an HST?

 

[Pumbaa]

What's the difference in track charges between a Voyager and an HST?
And yes, XC does need to make up money somewhere

 

[martyn29]

XC have to pay per mile to use the HST

 

[matt]

XC have to pay per mile to use the HST

I expect XC pay per mile with Voyagers as well as do any other TOC regardless of traction.

 

[Drsatan]

That's because of track access charges. XC probably pay less to use the 220s/221s because they're RA2 while an HST power car is RA5

 

[Pumbaa]

Aye. Two points relating to track access charges really.

HSTs are 2+8? Well a Voyager at 4/5 cars is going to cheaper. Secondly, an HST loco is 70 tonnes, a good 20 tonnes heavier than a Voyager car, and 10 tonnes heavier than the heaviest 221 car.

And I thought HSTs were RA6? (edit: TRC has RA6. Can anyone confirm this or the proper RA)?

 

[43034 The Black Horse]

They're 5. No offence to Mr Marsden but I have seen/been told about a lot of duff gen on the site, but probably most of it will be typos

 

[Pumbaa]

They're 5. No offence to Mr Marsden but I have seen/been told about a lot of duff gen on the site, but probably most of it will be typos

Ta. I've found typos/duff stuff before, so I thought I'd better check! I originally got the RA6 from another site a long time ago... Railway testing maybe? But it's always been in my mind!

 

[Drsatan]

And I thought HSTs were RA6? (edit: TRC has RA6. Can anyone confirm this or the proper RA)?

The wikipedia article on class 43s said they were RA5. Regardless, trust XC for being such greedy bastards by running Voyagers since they're cheaper even though passengers don't like them...

 

[martyn29]

I expect XC pay per mile with Voyagers as well as do any other TOC regardless of traction.

what I meant was they are charged more for a HST set than a Voyager.. Sorry