Yellow box junctions

[Islineclear3_1]

I live in the locality of this junction and can readily sympathise with the OP. It is a very tiresome junction especially for traffic coming from the southeast direction and heading north or east. I will take some photos next time I pass that way in case there may be any defective road markings or such.

Which way was the car travelling when the alleged contravention occurred? If turning right you may stop on a box junction if oncoming traffic prevents you from making your turn.

I was driving up the A20 Sidcup Road simply to turn left into Eltham Road (towards Blackheath). This is busy enough in morning rush hour but then you got traffic merging in from the east (A210 from Eltham) and the north from Kidbrooke. (A2213) as well, so the whole junction gets snarled up.

 

[island]

That's usually very easy to get through due to having two left-turn lanes and a left-turn filter arrow as well, although congestion has been getting steadily worse.

As the contravention is strict liability, you're probably going to have to cough up the £65 sadly The fact that other people also did it doesn't get you off the hook. But hold on until I've been by and checked the markings.

 

[Hadders]

Might be worth posting on http://forums.pepipoo.com/ where there are some really knowledgable folk when it comes to this sort of thing.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Thanks for all your help guys. I've paid the fine ("reduced rate") and will look to appeal. And thanks @Hadders for the link. I'll see where this gets me

 

[AlterEgo]

I successfully appealed a box junction penalty because my exit was clear when I entered but someone jumped the lights and turned left (from the oncoming traffic), blocking the exit once more.

In London, many Box junctions are poorly thought out and the exits are almost never clear. The enforcement is done by continuous CCTV monitoring - a person is always watching.

 

[philthetube]

I think it should just be a separate rule that it's illegal to stop blocking a marked pedestrian crossing - I certainly try and avoid doing it where possible.

Difficult one, if you stop short of a pedestrian crossing pedestrians often assume the lights have changed and set off, endangering themselves with other road users.

 

[DelW]

I think it should just be a separate rule that it's illegal to stop blocking a marked pedestrian crossing - I certainly try and avoid doing it where possible.

Difficult one, if you stop short of a pedestrian crossing pedestrians often assume the lights have changed and set off, endangering themselves with other road users.

In my (rather old) Highway Code* it's shown as a rule that "In a queue of traffic, you MUST keep pedestrian crossings clear". The book's preamble says "... the words MUST/MUST NOT refer to the requirements of the law". So presumably it is or at least was then illegal to stop on a crossing when queuing.
*1996 edition, rule 73.

 

[zwk500]

In my (rather old) Highway Code* it's shown as a rule that "In a queue of traffic, you MUST keep pedestrian crossings clear". The book's preamble says "... the words MUST/MUST NOT refer to the requirements of the law". So presumably it is or at least was then illegal to stop on a crossing when queuing.
*1996 edition, rule 73.

It's now Rule #192 and 'must' has been substituted for 'should'

The Highway Code - Using the road (159 to 203) - Guidance - GOV.UK

Rules for using the road, including general rules, overtaking, road junctions, roundabouts, pedestrian crossings and reversing.

www.gov.uk

Rule 192​

In slow-moving and queuing traffic you should keep crossings completely clear, as blocking these makes it difficult and dangerous for pedestrians to cross. You should not enter a pedestrian crossing if you are unable to completely clear the crossing. Nor should you block advanced stop lines for cycles.

 

[PG]

It's now Rule #192 and 'must' has been substituted for 'should'

The Highway Code - Using the road (159 to 203) - Guidance - GOV.UK

Rules for using the road, including general rules, overtaking, road junctions, roundabouts, pedestrian crossings and reversing.

www.gov.uk

So presumably, in the intervening period, the underlying legislation has been changed to remove the offence in law thus allowing for the less restrictive wording used in the current Highway Code?

 

[DelW]

It's now Rule #192 and 'must' has been substituted for 'should'

So presumably, in the intervening period, the underlying legislation has been changed to remove the offence in law thus allowing for the less restrictive wording used in the current Highway Code?

Slightly surprising as I usually tend to think that such legislation is getting ever more prescriptive, but perhaps not in this case. I'll still aim to comply though .

 

[brad465]

I remember while learning to drive asking once about how fines are dealt with in a learner situation, while waiting ahead of a yellow box junction, where the instructor revealed a dilemma they can have: during lessons the instructor can easily stop the car if the learner tries to enter a yellow box with no clear exit, but during a driving test, the invigilator is not allowed to do this (unless there is a danger of collision), even though a learner doing this would automatically fail their test.