Jimmy Savile

[gazthomas]

Don't forget that for victims this is an opportunity for justice, no matter how long they've had to wait and irrespective of how "show biz" the perpetrator was or is.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

This seems to be the pattern, a drip drip drip of sad case non-entities, preferably in their 80s. However when it got too close to important people and the establishment it was ruthlessly stopped in it's tracks!

I wonder if keeping this particular type of subject in the media is a deliberate and cynical ploy to distract the attention of the populace at large away from other more recent and more pressing matters ?

 

[Oswyntail]

I wonder if keeping this particular type of subject in the media is a deliberate and cynical ploy to distract the attention of the populace at large away from other more recent and more pressing matters ?

Another conspiracy theory, Paul?

 

[kylemore]

I wonder if keeping this particular type of subject in the media is a deliberate and cynical ploy to distract the attention of the populace at large away from other more recent and more pressing matters ?

At last we agree on something!

 

[Geezertronic]

And now Max Clifford has been arrested for historic sex offences (although not apparently related to Jimmy Savile but still related to Operation Yewtree). Quite ironic since he makes a career out of stories like this, couldn't of happened to a "nicer" bloke

 

[jon0844]

I am not convinced that every male working in the media in some way was up to no good. Surely a number of claims and accusations are going to be totally false.

Not that this will matter when every one of them is considered to be guilty on the 'no smoke without fire' principle.

 

[Butts]

And now Max Clifford has been arrested for historic sex offences (although not apparently related to Jimmy Savile but still related to Operation Yewtree). Quite ironic since he makes a career out of stories like this, couldn't of happened to a "nicer" bloke

I'll second that

 

[Darandio]

Surely not the same Max Clifford that sat on the "This Morning" couch after the start of the Savile scandal? Making claims to be white than white, claiming to have known for years about many of the allegations and also claiming to be personally advising some of the victims.

As others have said, couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke.

 

[jon0844]

Nicely proves the guilty until proven innocent point I made.

 

[Butts]

Nicely proves the guilty until proven innocent point I made.

I suspect he just groped a few women, as I've mentioned before this was commonplace twenty or thirty years ago

 

[Oswyntail]

I suspect he just groped a few women, as I've mentioned before this was commonplace twenty or thirty years ago

Commonplace - perhaps, but still serious. Would you like to be groped against your will (especially not by that toad)?

 

[Butts]

Commonplace - perhaps, but still serious. Would you like to be groped against your will (especially not by that toad)?

I've been groped by plenty of females in those days - no I didn't object.

Clifford probably wasn't such a "toad" thirty years ago.

"Serious" - no it was not thirty years ago - more an occupational hazard.

 

[swj99]

Oh what a small minded, sad, petty and vindictive country this is turning into.

I've just read on another forum where someone said they were glad Max Clifford has been arrested because they've never liked him (it wasn't said as politely as that either). I can't help wondering if there are too many people who don't know how to think objectively anymore, and that this media led witch hunt is just a prerequisite to compensation claims against those who are perceived to be able to afford it.

Some of these celebrities, living and dead, are being talked about as if they are guilty, when, at the time of writing (6/12/12) none of them have actually been convicted of anything.

 

[jon0844]

Such is the way that some people now think, you'll probably be accused of supporting groping/child molestation by saying that.

 

[Flamingo]

 

[Ferret]

Such is the way that some people now think, you'll probably be accused of supporting groping/child molestation by saying that.

Lowest common denominator leading the way yet again. Is it any wonder this Country is fooked?

 

[Manchester77]

I cannot believe they didn't investigate JS fully when the Gary glitter thing came out in the 90s after all they were 'close friends'....

 

[Bungle73]

Such is the way that some people now think, you'll probably be accused of supporting groping/child molestation by saying that.

People have always thought like that. In the past probably even more so.

Lowest common denominator leading the way yet again. Is it any wonder this Country is fooked?

Oh please.......:roll:

 

[Ferret]

Oh please.......:roll:

Please what?! :roll:

 

[Bungle73]

Please what?! :roll:

The country is "fooked" because some people have the same attitude that people have always had?

 

[Ferret]

The country is "fooked" because some people have the same attitude that people have always had?

Ah, the point went miles over your head then! Allow me to explain.

This lowest common denominator thinking, which drives press-led witch hunts, where allegations are all treated as fact is symptomatic of the current malaise that is sweeping the Country. It's related to such nonsense as having to erect barriers round a Christmas tree in case somebody should do something stupid and want to sue. And ultimately, it relates to why we've had gawd knows how many consecutive quarters of either negligible or negative growth in the economy.

With apologies to the late George Carman QC, you can play at being an ostrich if you like, but having travelled to some of the emerging nations in recent time, I can see why Britain is being left behind. Sure, hysterical paranoia about who may or may not be a sexual deviant is only a small part of it, but don't pretend it's not one of the many symptoms of a nation in decline.

 

[Bungle73]

Ah, the point went miles over your head then! Allow me to explain.

Nope. Actually it was my point that went over yours.

This lowest common denominator thinking, which drives press-led witch hunts, where allegations are all treated as fact is symptomatic of the current malaise that is sweeping the Country.

This kind of thinking has ALWAYS gone on.

It's related to such nonsense as having to erect barriers round a Christmas tree in case somebody should do something stupid and want to sue.

It's got nothing to do with that at all

And ultimately, it relates to why we've had gawd knows how many consecutive quarters of either negligible or negative growth in the economy.

You're rambling.

With apologies to the late George Carman QC, you can play at being an ostrich if you like, but having travelled to some of the emerging nations in recent time, I can see why Britain is being left behind. Sure, hysterical paranoia about who may or may not be a sexual deviant is only a small part of it, but don't pretend it's not one of the many symptoms of a nation in decline.

Don't talk such rubbish. People since the beginning of time have been thinking like that, and also since the beginning of time people like you have been running around saying things like "the country's/world's (delete as appropriate) gone to pot, and it was all 'better' in my day". I can't stand it when people do that.

 

[Butts]

Nope. Actually it was my point that went over yours.


This kind of thinking has ALWAYS gone on.


It's got nothing to do with that at all


You're rambling.



Don't talk such rubbish. People since the beginning of time have been thinking like that, and also since the beginning of time people like you have been running around saying things like "the country's/world's (delete as appropriate) gone to pot, and it was all 'better' in my day". I can't stand it when people do that.

Have you ever thought sometimes it may be true

 

[Butts]

I see Stuart Hall ex BBC It's a Knockout and a stalwart of Five Live and Grandstand down the years has admitted to child sex abuse and is likely to be incarcerated at Her Majesty's expense.

Also William Roach (Ken Barlow)has been accused of raping a 15 year old 46 years ago and will face trial.

If they do not admit to these allegations how on earth can it be proved after nearly 50 years ?

Do these individuals deserve anonymity until the case is set to trial as their alledged victims enjoy. It could wreck a life of an innocent party

 

[Oswyntail]

....If they do not admit to these allegations how on earth can it be proved after nearly 50 years ?

As I understand it, it would have been impossible to prove (as, in fact, many rape cases are, because of the circumstances). But there were enough independent accusers coming forward with credible stories to suggest they might be true, and, eventually, Hall confessed.

....Do these individuals deserve anonymity until the case is set to trial as their alledged victims enjoy. It could wreck a life of an innocent party

This is also almost impossible. My heart says "Yes, they need anonymity", from having dealt with false claims of abuse myself - the fallout can be toxic and almost impossible to eradicate. However, as I said above, the publicity did result in credible evidence being brought forward which has resulted in a proper conclusion. Perhaps what we really need is for society to accept that "there is no smoke without fire" is a pernicious and evil sentiment, completely at odds with "innocent until proven guilty".

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Perhaps what we really need is for society to accept that "there is no smoke without fire" is a pernicious and evil sentiment, completely at odds with "innocent until proven guilty".

I am sure that many newspaper media elements, wishing to obtain maximum publicity for their own cynical commercial ends, whilst hiding behing the cloak of "justice", would tend to take an opposite view to yours.

One case that springs to mind was that of Christopher Jeffries, the landlord of the flats in the Joanna Yates murder case, who was wrongly accused of the offence and his facial image was spread across the front pages of certain of the less salubrious "newspapers".

 

[Antman]

I see Stuart Hall ex BBC It's a Knockout and a stalwart of Five Live and Grandstand down the years has admitted to child sex abuse and is likely to be incarcerated at Her Majesty's expense.

Also William Roach (Ken Barlow)has been accused of raping a 15 year old 46 years ago and will face trial.

If they do not admit to these allegations how on earth can it be proved after nearly 50 years ?

Do these individuals deserve anonymity until the case is set to trial as their alledged victims enjoy. It could wreck a life of an innocent party

What gave Hall away was numerous victims who didn't know each other giving very similar statements.

 

[Butts]

What gave Hall away was numerous victims who didn't know each other giving very similar statements.

But if he hadn't confessed he may have escaped punishment.

Good article in The Independent today by Brian Viner on "tv in the 70's" which Hall was at the forefront of with It's a Knock Out, Look North and Grandstand.

Viner was disappointed so many icons of this era on TV have turned out to be somewhat tarnished.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

The casting staff of Coronation Street must be worried about some of their male leads now with two of them now "off air" whilst matters are being investigated.

 

[Butts]

The casting staff of Coronation Street must be worried about some of their male leads now with two of them now "off air" whilst matters are being investigated.

The scriptwriters must be tearing their hair out with first Kevin Webster and now Ken Barlow awol. Kevin was mentioned briefly as having had to rush to his father (Bill Webster) who had conveniently had a heart attack