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Understanding Spotting and Enthusiasts

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theblackwatch

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So perhaps another question to add to TDK....why do some people have to travel on every unit for haulage....?

Because they want to? Sense of personal achievement - a bit like a runner who always wants to beat his personal best (why?!). Would people rather feel they've achieved something, or spend every weekend following the routine of 'I went shopping on Saturday and to the tip on Sunday' lifestyle where people seem to just follow some sort of routine in life but never enjoy themselves?
 
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No but that's not to say that the practice wasn't down right dangerous, which to be honest it was. In my experience very few if any commuters that are still around miss the slammers.

I was a commuter, both from Essex and Kent and I do miss the slammers - particularly the 1950's suburban stock (EPB's, Haps, Class 307 etc). There's just no character to modern units.

Nobody thought for a minute the practice of opening the door just before the train came to a stop or boarding as it started was dangerous - one was in a rush to get to work/home.
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Would people rather feel they've achieved something, or spend every weekend following the routine of 'I went shopping on Saturday and to the tip on Sunday' lifestyle where people seem to just follow some sort of routine in life but never enjoy themselves?

I never do my shopping on Saturdays (wife does it in the week) :p
 

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I was a commuter, both from Essex and Kent and I do miss the slammers - particularly the 1950's suburban stock (EPB's, Haps, Class 307 etc). There's just no character to modern units.

Nobody thought for a minute the practice of opening the door just before the train came to a stop or boarding as it started was dangerous - one was in a rush to get to work/home.
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I also miss the slammers as they did have character.
 

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I just love railways and anything to do with railways but I don't collect numbers.

Travelling on them is a bit of a lottery though.
 

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Many years ago, trainspotting was the hobby. If you didn't go trainspotting there was something worng with you. In those days their ranks included doctors, accountants, barristers, politicians and even bishops. Trainspotting taught you many skills, including patience, attention to detail and a good appreciation of geography, amongst others. Without doubt, the hobby does attract some oddballs - just as every hobby does - and then in the 80's, people such as Jasper Carrot (who I always found to be as funny as toothache) decided to set upon them. The rest is history and it sometimes feels like today's trainspotters would receive less public ridicule if they were a paedophile.

Let's look at a few other hobby's. Fishing - sitting adjacent to a stretch of water for hours on end waiting to insert a metal hook into a creatures mouth. Some even remove the hook and throw the fish back into the water, starting the process all over again. Football. Twenty-odd grown men wearing shorts, chasing a ball on a perfectly manicured field. Supporters quite often indulge in anti-social behaviour causing annoyance and inconvenience to others. Shooting/Hunting - the sole purpose being to kill a live animal. Boxing - knocking seven bells out of another man, often aiming for the head, where the most vital human organ resides. I could go on.

Trainspotters and rail enthusiasts often tend to be quiet, mild-mannered individuals who keep their heads down. Its probably for this reason why they are are the target of so much abuse. Yes, some are excitable and boisterous, a few can be a real pain in the backside, but by and large they indulge in their hobby, minding their own business and causing no harm to anyone. They are natural supporters of the railway, contributing thousands and thousands of pounds every year. Sadly, some of the newly privatised companies where slow to appreciate their value, having probably been seduced by the negative impression built up in the media, but things do seem to be improving these days and whilst the level of interest is nothing like it used to be, it is clear that the hobby will never die out.

So, if anyone feels any embarrassment in being a trainspotter or a rail enthusiast - don't. The chances are you are a better all-round human being than many of your contemporaries.
 

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A bit controversial but I am trying to understand some of the actions of spotters and enthusiasts below is a list of observations from a rail staffs point of view who isn't a spotter:

1. Why are enthusiasts excited by trains that spew out copious amounts of smoke and fumes when it is clearly bad for the environment?

2. What is the attraction of steep gradients?

3. Why do you dwell on the past?

4. What is the point in being hauled by a different loco within the same class?

5. What is the attraction to the drivers sounding the horn and doing the up and down movement of ones arm?

6. What is the attraction of travelling over a length of line for the first time in the dark?

7. Why do you smile at a train when it pulls into a station even when it is a 153 and late?

8. What do you do will all the photos you take?

9. Do you all use the terms hellfire and my lordz

10. What is the reason for marking off train numbers in a book?

I can understand being interested in the infrastructure and how it all works and also interested in the engineering of steam trains but the others to be fair I am at a loss what the attraction is. Please don't take this as a wee wee take I see a lot of spotters and am just trying to understand why they do it?

1) It was more the noise than the clag.
2) Always good for producing 1.
3) There was a lot more variety. My most recent trip to Crewe was just because I was bored and I fancied a cheap trip on a train. When I get there there was a clockface timetable with every unit operating every service being completely predictable. The Pendos and Voyagers I travelled on that day were uncomfortable and smelt bad. The various MkII's and III's that would previously have been used on the services I travelled on provided a much more pleasant environment.
4) Back in the day I used to love 37's & 50's. 37427 was always good for noise as was 50031 in my experience.
5) None at all for me. Don't get it at all.
6) See 5.
7) I have in the past gone and caught a bus if a 142 turned up at West Allerton. I certainly wouldn't smile if a 153 turned up anywhere, especially not if it was late.
8) I don't take many in this country any more because there is little that interests me on the railways.
9) Bit of a generalisation there. Never used those terms in my life.
10) Not done that for about 30 years. Nothing against anyone that does. Its just like collecting anything, footy stickers, CD's etc. etc.
 

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A bit controversial but I am trying to understand some of the actions of spotters and enthusiasts below is a list of observations from a rail staffs point of view who isn't a spotter:

1. Why are enthusiasts excited by trains that spew out copious amounts of smoke and fumes when it is clearly bad for the environment?

2. What is the attraction of steep gradients?

3. Why do you dwell on the past?

4. What is the point in being hauled by a different loco within the same class?

5. What is the attraction to the drivers sounding the horn and doing the up and down movement of ones arm?

6. What is the attraction of travelling over a length of line for the first time in the dark?

7. Why do you smile at a train when it pulls into a station even when it is a 153 and late?

8. What do you do will all the photos you take?

9. Do you all use the terms hellfire and my lordz

10. What is the reason for marking off train numbers in a book?

I can understand being interested in the infrastructure and how it all works and also interested in the engineering of steam trains but the others to be fair I am at a loss what the attraction is. Please don't take this as a wee wee take I see a lot of spotters and am just trying to understand why they do it?

Well maybe I will be controversial and try to turn this around a bit.

I have been a rail enthusiast for many years, but I have never had a great desire to work on the railway, although my employment has mainly been related to other things I have an interest in.

so for some who works on the railway but isn't an enthusiast what is the appeal of working on the railway aside from the obvious one of needing to earn a living or is it just that?
 

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TDK missed a rather pertinent question

Why do most wear such awful clothes and seemingly the same style of jacket ;)
 

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I don't get it tbh however I'd much rather the younger crowd doing this than taking drugs or drinking in the street etc

*** As long as they are doing it safely**
 

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For a birthday a few years ago the girlfriend took me to a diesel day on the East Lancs. She was pretty horrified at the behaviour of some of the hardcore. To be honest I was. They were as bad as some of the footy crowds you see on trains (And I am also a footy fan).
 

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I suppose it's not that different from birdwatching... Except in this case it's an artificial animal rather than a biological one. Mating ritual, migrating patterns, and the like. Twitchers like to share and compare photos and experiences, but I guess trains can me a more intimate experience as you can see, touch, and be a part of it.

A neighbour of mine is a twitcher and he goes all over the place with his binoculars to look for various types of bird, I really don't see the attraction myself but each to their own. On the other hand my wife thinks people who travel the length of the country to watch football are bonkers.
 

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For a birthday a few years ago the girlfriend took me to a diesel day on the East Lancs. She was pretty horrified at the behaviour of some of the hardcore. To be honest I was. They were as bad as some of the footy crowds you see on trains (And I am also a footy fan).

What were they doing? Sounds like a good lass :)
 

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What were they doing? Sounds like a good lass :)

Ha ha, she is a good lass. :D The hardcore in question were basically running around like drunk nutters (And they were drunk) and claiming seats from people already sat in them saying it was their speck and actually being threatening. The flailing out the window I can cope with since I've hung out the window myself, although without such vigorous shouting and the weird arm movements. The threatening behaviour to fellow railway enthusiasts was something else. Keeping in mind my girlfriend found the fellas recording the train sounds out the window odd enough hooligan train bashers was quite a shock for her. :D I've seen some of these clowns ilk before whilst chasing 37's and 50's when younger.
 

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Ha ha, she is a good lass. :D The hardcore in question were basically running around like drunk nutters (And they were drunk) and claiming seats from people already sat in them saying it was their speck and actually being threatening. The flailing out the window I can cope with since I've hung out the window myself, although without such vigorous shouting and the weird arm movements. The threatening behaviour to fellow railway enthusiasts was something else. Keeping in mind my girlfriend found the fellas recording the train sounds out the window odd enough hooligan train bashers was quite a shock for her. :D I've seen some of these clowns ilk before whilst chasing 37's and 50's when younger.

Unfortunately there has always been a minority yobbish element for many years, in terms of both bashers and photographers.
 
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So perhaps another question to add to TDK....why do some people have to travel on every unit for haulage....?

Because they want to!

Says the man who has travelled on every 175, every 350/1 and all the Northern 323s and knows that he has done so! :D
 

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Can't have been that dangerous though if it happened on a daily basis with minimal fuss. There's a big difference between perceived danger/risk and actual danger/risk.

It's a bit like sticking your head out of a moving train which on the face of it, seems extremely dangerous. In reality, it rarely results in any meaningful injury.

A lot of it had to do with people being used to the things.

When I commuted on the 308's during their twilight days in Yorkshire, there were notices along the platform at Leeds warning people about the presence of swinging doors, probably because people weren't used to them so much in the area. By contrast such notices weren't necessary on the Southern because they were well and truly the established order.

Needless to say, I miss them because most of them were more comfortable and on the ones with lots of doors, you didn't have to wait an age to get off.
 

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shouting and hanging out the windows is v strange behaviour. you do seem to get a good few drunken yobs at diesel galas! to be fair though I have seen far worse behaviour by drunks not at diesel galas so it's all relative!

Tim
 

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shouting and hanging out the windows is v strange behaviour. you do seem to get a good few drunken yobs at diesel galas! to be fair though I have seen far worse behaviour by drunks not at diesel galas so it's all relative!

Tim

Thanks for that info. I have never fancied going anywhere where rail nutters may be present (even though I am a supporter of rail) and your posting has ensured I never will. Is it as bad for the kettles?
 

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Thanks for that info. I have never fancied going anywhere where rail nutters may be present (even though I am a supporter of rail) and your posting has ensured I never will. Is it as bad for the kettles?

That is like assuming a pub is full of drunks all the time...
 
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I also miss the slammers as they did have character.

However, realistically how many commuters care about the character of the train they catch every morning. The vast majority have always seen their commute as being something of a necessity rather than something to be enjoyed. In fact I've never met anyone who actually enjoys or enjoyed commuting to work, certainly within the South East.
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That is like assuming a pub is full of drinks all the time...

Well its certainly full of drinks! A pub without drinks is a pub that is closed!
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I was a commuter, both from Essex and Kent and I do miss the slammers - particularly the 1950's suburban stock (EPB's, Haps, Class 307 etc). There's just no character to modern units.

Nobody thought for a minute the practice of opening the door just before the train came to a stop or boarding as it started was dangerous - one was in a rush to get to work/home.

However how many of our fellow commuters could identify a EPB, or a HAP or indeed a class 307. The vast majority (without any scientific research) couldn't have cared less about the train that they used on their commute providing it got them there safely, character or no character.

In terms of opening a door early on a slammer without thinking of the consequences doesn't suggest for one minute that the process should have been considered acceptable. BR and those who proceeded it were simply allowing commuters to take their life into their own hands and that should never have been allowed to happen. Not only that but as I found out to my cost those slammers running on the Southern were death traps. I'm sorry but its true.

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The danger today is the general public has been nannied by health and safety so much that this part of common sense has been erased. If they could openthe door they'd assume they were at a station without checking first...

However the railway is a much safer place today and that can only be a good thing. The LNER showed the way with their powered operated doors on the EMU's that ran on the Woodhead route. I could never understand why BR generally ignored that idea.
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People have said the exact same upon the end of steam, the start of monotonous BR Blue, and even upon the 1928 grouping!

To an extend you have a point but I don't recall any of my mates caring that all the locos were painted the same colour because they were so many of them! I don't think anyone could seriously suggest that a unit is more interesting than a loco.
 
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