DeparturesBeck
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Season ticket calculator disabled on NRE with the following message which I don't believe.
Now working on NRE, Hatton to Lapworth increasing to £164
Season ticket calculator disabled on NRE with the following message which I don't believe.
BR Fares only shows current fares; always has done. So you will see the new fares on 2 January! In the long-term I'd like to update it to show historic, current and future fares (the latter within the period when they're on sale for future travel, of course). But it's a big change and a long-term project.
Fares are to rise by 3.1. percent but London Transport fares are frozen. Will London Transport see many more pax, at the expense of London TOC routes, as a result of people switching to LU, LO or bus, where that is a possibility?
The WMT Only MKC ticket was only allowed because of grandfather rights. Has the DfT perhaps withdrawn this?
It appears that the £15 Milton Keynes - London LNWR Only Off Peak Day Return has been replaced by a £15 Milton Keynes - London LNWR Only Super Off Peak Day Return with far greater restrictions.
Should be there now
Frozen fares only on TfL operated services and sadly TfL's finances are slowly going to rats***.
Given that the London/SE TOCs, which had mostly been paying money to the Govt, seem to be struggling financially any suggestions of yet further subsidies for the North have no chance of fulfillment.
Strange, I can't get that to show even if I try on a Sunday lunchtime! When is it valid?
It is, cheers.
Must admit that alongside Gatwick this is one of the worst ones, I worked it out for a friend on Friday and the complexity is utterly appalling for a short distance commuter flow. Really, the TOC specific fares need binning off and the Any Permitted reduced (so the change is revenue neutral) then just have Anytime, Off Peak, and Super Off Peak singles, returns and Travelcards (not sure I'd even bother with period returns). And no Advances; they are silly on flows like this and just cause unnecessary station congestion to save a very small amount on the walk-up fare.
Difficult to tell unless you define the membership of your ‘average committee’. They might get a group discount...I wonder what the is the fares rise that the average passenger will be paying?
Also what is the fares rise that the average committee will be paying? I doubt it's the average fares rise in either case as I didn't think average fares rises took into account number of tickets that are purchased.
Am I correct on the last point?
Plenty of detail in this document: http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/4289/sra-fares-conclusions-2003.pdfDoes anyone know how the "average" figure for the increases is applied?
Do they really mean "average" as in arithmetic mean (all the fare income in a year divided by the number of tickets sold), or median (the mid-point fare) or mode (the most frequent fare)?
Given the plethora of different fares available which type of fare is included and how do they allow for the differences?
Or is just, last year we took £1,000,000 in fares, this year we will want £31,000 more so let us try some sums and see what come up?
Finally, what happens if the revenue increases by more than the stated "average", where does the excess go?
although there is more to it than that.
- All regulated fares will be regulated by means of a fares basket.
- Each train operator will have two fares baskets. A ‘Commuter Fares’ basket will contain regulated urban commuter fares, in other words all those fares that are regulated in a fares basket under current fares regulation. A ‘Protected Fares’ basket will contain all fares that are currently individually regulated.
- Each fares basket will be simplified, and will contain only those fares which together account for around 95% of revenue from all regulated fares
- Travelcard fares and fares set by other operators will remain included in Commuter Fares baskets, but Protected Fares baskets will only contain fares which are set by that operator.
- Increases in individual fares within fares baskets will be limited to 5% above the basic policy (ie RPI+6%) in any given year.
Plenty of detail in this document: http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/4289/sra-fares-conclusions-2003.pdf
Section 6.3 on page 22 is quite enlightening:
although there is more to it than that.
BR Fares only shows current fares; always has done. So you will see the new fares on 2 January! In the long-term I'd like to update it to show historic, current and future fares (the latter within the period when they're on sale for future travel, of course). But it's a big change and a long-term project.
The ‘fares basket’ is essentially a way of applying a limit or ‘cap’ to a weighted average of the relevant fares for each TOC.
What this means in practice is that the RPI +/- ‘cap’ applies to the total value of a fares basket, there can be increases in individual fares that are greater (or less) than the permitted increase in the basket as a whole.
In turn, this variation on individual fares within the fares basket cap has been limited by Government. For most years after 2004 this was set at 5% - it was abolished for 2010 then reintroduced for 2011 before being reduced to 2% in 2014 and then abolished entirely.
http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01904/SN01904.pdf
Frozen fares only on TfL operated services and sadly TfL's finances are slowly going to rats***.
A lot of the infrastructure spend down South is funded locallyDon't forget, the subsidies we get in the North (which are reducing due to franchise specs) don't occur in isolation. We get a lot less infrastructure investment up here even though we get a higher subsidy.
Do you happen to have a link to the longer (ie monthly and annual) travelcard prices?The full TfL and Travelcard / caps fares document has been published:
https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/md2377_appendices_1-3.pdf
Don't you just multiply the weekly prices by 3.84 to get the monthly price, and by 40 to get the annual price, similarly to seasons wholly on National Rail?Do you happen to have a link to the longer (ie monthly and annual) travelcard prices?
Don't you just multiply the weekly prices by 3.84 to get the monthly price, and by 40 to get the annual price, similarly to seasons wholly on National Rail?
Now working on NRE, Hatton to Lapworth increasing to £164
Fares are to rise by 3.1. percent but London Transport fares are frozen. Will London Transport see many more pax, at the expense of London TOC routes, as a result of people switching to LU, LO or bus, where that is a possibility?
Is it clear whether despite this modest rise this is next year's cheapest GC eligible season once again?
It will probably take someone with access to the industry fares data to confirm it. Once RDG updates the fares data package currently uploaded on their website (they unfortunately usually only tend to do this around a month after each fares round), I can confirm it authoritatively.I'd be interested in the answer to this too, is it still Hatton to Lapworth?