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It will be an interesting service for enthusiasts no doubt, but alas it will do little for visitors to Whitby.

A Danby-terminating service could be a useful one for walkers as well. I've used the Esk Valley Line much more to facilitate various linear walks in the area than to visit Whitby; I know it's a secondary use compared to the Whitby services but there is something of a market there (and fundamentally if there's available stock/staff then it might as well run as ainsworth74 notes).

Back on topic - looks like a positive development. The station could be much more 'outward facing' and this looks like it'll achieve that. Middlesbrough has some of the worst toilets that I've encountered for a station of its size so it'd be great if they were improved as part of it!
 
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That would require more units and crew. This plan at least makes use of otherwise dead time. I agree thought it would be good for Whitby to have a better service. Two hourly throughout the day would be amazing. But any improvement on the branch is surely a good thing even if it isn't as good as we'd like to see? Small steps!

Fair point, although I just worry that when the timetable and rolling stock changes have settled in, Whitby's still going to be left with a service that's not fit for purpose.

In terms of resourcing, perhaps one of the diagrams needn't be a full 156 if it avoids the school run.
 

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A Danby-terminating service could be a useful one for walkers as well. I've used the Esk Valley Line much more to facilitate various linear walks in the area than to visit Whitby; I know it's a secondary use compared to the Whitby services but there is something of a market there (and fundamentally if there's available stock/staff then it might as well run as ainsworth74 notes).

Back on topic - looks like a positive development. The station could be much more 'outward facing' and this looks like it'll achieve that. Middlesbrough has some of the worst toilets that I've encountered for a station of its size so it'd be great if they were improved as part of it!

I suppose it might facilitate a stop off on the way back from Whitby - something I've not been able to manage with the existing timetable.
 

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Oh thank heavens! That'll save approximately one minute on my walk to work! :lol:

But seriously that's taken entirely too long to achieve. It's been shut for literally years!
 

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New Customer Information Screens (CIS) have been installed last week.

Interestingly, the label on this screen says the unit was destined for Hull station.

It seems that TPE managed stations have a program of getting these new screens installed, Thornaby has recently had new screens fitted. Personally, I like these new screens as they appear they can give more accurate details for train carriage formations etc.
 

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So the masterplan extended to new screens ,a footpath and some bollards?

I hoped for a move to St Tropez or the return of Juninho to lead the Boro to premier league glory. It has never been the same since they moved the ladies of the night away from the station area.
 

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So the masterplan extended to new screens ,a footpath and some bollards?

Last I checked these works were related to the TPE franchise and nothing to do with Middlesbrough Councils wider scheme.
 

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Last I checked these works were related to the TPE franchise and nothing to do with Middlesbrough Councils wider scheme.

So the St Tropez move is still on ;)

In honesty is there much that can be done beyond a bit of a spruce up? The back entrance was opened a while a go ( sadly the Bridge pup is long gone), the railway tower block is went a while ago, the front is penned in by Zetland Road etc.
 

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As mentioned by@xotGD earlier in the thread, the artist's impression appears to show a new platform round the back of the platform 2 waiting room. I've been trying to have a look round at that area from the fenced off area next to the old bay platform, and it seems to me that if a platform is to be built there, it will either be very narrow or the track wouldhave to be moved further out.I think this is why I originally assumed that the bay platform would be re-opened. Much easier and less work to do that i imagine.
 

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In honesty is there much that can be done beyond a bit of a spruce up? The back entrance was opened a while a go ( sadly the Bridge pup is long gone), the railway tower block is went a while ago, the front is penned in by Zetland Road etc.

Well, what's contained in the master plan! As per the Gazette article from the first post:

The masterplan – which offers short term proposals and a longer term vision – includes:

• The re-opening of the southern entrance;

• A stunning new glass frontage and concourse on Bridge Street;

• An additional platform;

• New commercial units;

• Additional passenger facilities; and

• Improved access for sustainable modes of transport such as buses, taxis, cars and cycles.

Well they've managed to reopen the front entrance (though it's still messy) but the rest of that is still outstanding and does sound quite comprehensive in terms of regenerating the station.

However, and you're later post hints at this, how much of that will ever actually happen rather than remaining as pretty graphics is much much more debatable!
 

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Very much so. Once upon a time there might have been some EU money in the offing but, er...

This EU you speak of. Is that thing that paid for loads of stuff in the disadvantaged provinces but we decided we didn't want to be a part of anymore? Don't worry the Tories cant wait to spend money on Middlesbrough. They love the North East. Oh, hang on...............................

Although in fairness electing a Try mayor ( shameful as that is) could turn out to be a masterstroke as far as this project is concerned. Tory central need him to succeed.
 

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I hadn't realised there was an additional platform in the masterplan. Looking at Goodle maps, I can see a nice green space where the track for an Eastbound bay used to be.

Frankly, I'd happily postpone the rest of the masterplan in favour of reinstating this bay platform if it facilitated a decent Whitby service.
 

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New Customer Information Screens (CIS) have been installed last week.

Interestingly, the label on this screen says the unit was destined for Hull station.

It seems that TPE managed stations have a program of getting these new screens installed, Thornaby has recently had new screens fitted. Personally, I like these new screens as they appear they can give more accurate details for train carriage formations etc.

This must be one of the ones going haywire if it’s for Hull... when I passed through on Tuesday one was displaying “Welcome to Brough”... close but it’s “Boro” haha
 

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This EU you speak of. Is that thing that paid for loads of stuff in the disadvantaged provinces but we decided we didn't want to be a part of anymore?

The very same EU that no longer classes anywhere in the UK as disadvantaged anymore, not even Cornwall, and it changed before the referendum.
 

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Can't find a recent thread with information on plans for Middlesbrough Station so I've dragged this one up!

Plans announced today for works to start by the end of 2020 on extending platform 2 as a quick fix for LNER to start services in December 2021.


Work is expected to start next year on a long-hoped for platform extension at Middlesbrough Railway Station.
The platform could deliver the first direct train link to London for decades, and will be able to accommodate more trains, including the North-East assembled LNER Azuma.
Middlesbrough Mayor Andy Preston has described the lack of a direct London-bound train from the town as a “staggering gap in basic infrastructure”.
Funding for a business case was set aside for the project by the Tees Valley Combined Authority (TVCA) back in 2018 and a ‘masterplan’ to further develop the station launched in November last year.
Tees Valley Mayor Ben Houchen said he had now committed £22.5m to the scheme to cover the first phase next year, while an outline business plan was being submitted.
Meanwhile he was continuing to discuss the prospect of daily services to the capital being restored with Government-operated LNER, which runs trains on the East Coast Mainline.

Other planned improvements include a new £6.5m entrance with accompanying business units being created on Zetland Road.
A third phase could see a new platform 3 built to the north of the extended platform 2 to further increase train capacity within the station.
The scheme is a joint partnership between the Tees Valley Mayor and Combined Authority, Network Rail, Middlesbrough Council and the Department for Transport.


Mr Houchen said: “Increasing the frequency of services and train routes is a key part of my plan for workers, local jobs and wages to restore our way of life once we’re through the [coronavirus] pandemic.
“I have been leading very positive discussions with LNER and Network Rail to work with them and partners to introduce the first services between London and Middlesbrough in decades and, as they have told me, the increased station capacity is crucial to achieving this.
“Network Rail expects to start work to expand platform 2 in early 2021, and we’re hoping to get confirmation of a service to London in 2021, which would be a great boost for businesses and people in Middlesbrough.”
Mr Houchen added: “While there are lots of things to consider when planning the introduction of new services, including the supply of rolling stock, the impact of the recent pandemic and infrastructure upgrades across the rail network, I will make sure we play our part in encouraging the operators to bring new services to our region by getting the station ready as quickly as we can.
“Capacity is already stretched and doing nothing is not an option.”

Matt Rice, North and East route director at Network Rail, said: “We’ve been working for many months with Mayor Houchen and the other stakeholders involved in Middlesbrough to move forward the long-held aspiration to secure a direct-to-London train service without unduly impacting the services that already serve the town.
“New infrastructure is one part of the solution and behind the scenes my team are putting together the plans that will see us start building the extension to platform 2 early next year as we start the journey of turning our stakeholders’ ambition to reality.”

Middlesbrough Mayor Andy Preston said: “I’m furious that there are no direct trains to London – this staggering gap in basic infrastructure is a symptom of major historic problems here.
“So thank God that this is finally being sorted. Well done Ben Houchen and everyone involved.”

A revamped, extended Middlesbrough station would be a boost for ambitious plans to build three new skyscrapers, a digital campus, a 750-seat indoor amphitheatre beneath a glass atrium and a 400-seat outdoor amphitheatre unveiled by Mr Preston last year.
Described as the biggest single investment in Middlesbrough’s history, the plans aim to turn Middlesbrough into a centre for digital and creative activity.
Mr Preston said: “Direct trains will boost our progress towards creating the UK’s digital city and countless jobs in the oldest part of Middlesbrough.”

Middlesbrough's Labour MP Andy McDonald said he welcomed the investment as "way overdue", but doubted it would bring in the full rail services that had previously been promised.
He also warned of massive disruption to existing Northern and TransPennine Express services because of delays in getting the required track, signalling and platform work done.

Mr McDonald, who was not at a media photocall at the station, claimed Mr Houchen's Conservative party colleagues had been responsible for previous delays with the project and bemoaned the lack of investment in the region to date.
He said: “As the people of Middlesbrough know, I’ve been working with all the stakeholders for the necessary upgrades to Middlesbrough Station for many years.
"Those involved with the project have stuck at it doggedly despite the knock backs and delays caused by Mr Houchen’s Tories."
 

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Interesting, though not that exciting as it's mostly going to be a taking down some fencing, bit of weed killer and paint to extend the platform! :lol:
 

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Just over two & three months between the two announcements that the station is going to be upgraded! As @ainsworth74 suggests, quite an easy fix to get the platform length sorted. Is there any more detail about the new platform that wa mooted to go around the Bongo club side of the station. Could the bay platform be re-instated at the Saltburn end of platform 2?
 

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Think I read the additional platform would be part of phase 3 works with no mention of when or if this is still going ahead. I know its planned and is much needed to boost capacity at the station. Still love the comments of the disgrace that Middlesbrough doesn't have a link to London. Go 10 mins down the road a perfectly London link exists at Eaglescliffe which they always seem to forget to mention. Heard the Tees Valley Mayor say today about stopping patterns still been finalised. Wonder if LNER are still twitching about maybe stopping at Eaglescliffe which I imagine would be at the cost of stopping at Thornaby as previous franchise agreement. Would be bigger catchment area and more room for passengers than Thornaby surely.
 

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Think I read the additional platform would be part of phase 3 works with no mention of when or if this is still going ahead. I know its planned and is much needed to boost capacity at the station. Still love the comments of the disgrace that Middlesbrough doesn't have a link to London. Go 10 mins down the road a perfectly London link exists at Eaglescliffe which they always seem to forget to mention. Heard the Tees Valley Mayor say today about stopping patterns still been finalised. Wonder if LNER are still twitching about maybe stopping at Eaglescliffe which I imagine would be at the cost of stopping at Thornaby as previous franchise agreement. Would be bigger catchment area and more room for passengers than Thornaby surely.
I made the point about the options of getting to London on another thread yesterday (Towns that dont have a direct service to London). Basically either change at (1) Eaglescliffe for Grand Central, (2) change at Darlo or (3) change at York for the same LNER service. Changing at Eaglescliffe or Darlo is so easy considering distnce you have to go to change platforms!
As for the bay platform being re-instated, I don't know how signalling and crossovers would affect this practically. But it seems a bay platform and possibly space next to it for an additional stabling point could be useful.
 

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Interesting, though not that exciting as it's mostly going to be a taking down some fencing, bit of weed killer and paint to extend the platform! :lol:
But the Tees Valley Mayor has confirmed £22.5 million has been set aside for merely the first stage. For that kind of money, I hope something really substantial will result. Incidentally, being a Londoner I like the idea of Middlesbrough having a direct service to London.
 

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But the Tees Valley Mayor has confirmed £22.5 million has been set aside for merely the first stage. For that kind of money, I hope something really substantial will result.

I don't know what to tell you but there's around 40m to 45m of disused platform that could be reconditioned and brought back into use (fence to come down, new fence to go up at the new end of the platform, resurface, sort out the platform edge and paint. It's not a massive job). The current usable platform face is around 200m so add in 40m takes you to 240m of available platform. A 9-car 800 is around 234m and a 10-car is 260m but as long as you set up the SDO correctly that's not an insurmountable issue. You could make the platform longer than that even as there's room to take it further before you start having to fiddle with signalling cupboards and a signal itself (maybe another 20m).

In any event it shouldn't be a big job so I have no idea where the mayor is planning on spending the £22.5m that's been set aside unless the plan is to put together the new entrance now with the new platform 3 that was to go without done in a later phase? That would probably eat up a nice chunk of the £22.5m.

As for the bay platform being re-instated, I don't know how signalling and crossovers would affect this practically. But it seems a bay platform and possibly space next to it for an additional stabling point could be useful.

A bay platform would be nice particularly with the Nunthorpe services now mostly confined to a Middlesbrough - Nunthorpe shuttle again (or at least they're expected to be at the December timetable change). But something like that would be it's nature be tied into the wider Middlesbrough re-signalling scheme as it would require changes to the signalling layout. Personally that's why I suspect Platform 3 is still hanging around going nowhere quickly. Arguments over who pays for what and when...
 

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I don't know what to tell you but there's around 40m to 45m of disused platform that could be reconditioned and brought back into use (fence to come down, new fence to go up at the new end of the platform, resurface, sort out the platform edge and paint. It's not a massive job). The current usable platform face is around 200m so add in 40m takes you to 240m of available platform. A 9-car 800 is around 234m and a 10-car is 260m but as long as you set up the SDO correctly that's not an insurmountable issue. You could make the platform longer than that even as there's room to take it further before you start having to fiddle with signalling cupboards and a signal itself (maybe another 20m).

In any event it shouldn't be a big job so I have no idea where the mayor is planning on spending the £22.5m that's been set aside unless the plan is to put together the new entrance now with the new platform 3 that was to go without done in a later phase? That would probably eat up a nice chunk of the £22.5m.



A bay platform would be nice particularly with the Nunthorpe services now mostly confined to a Middlesbrough - Nunthorpe shuttle again (or at least they're expected to be at the December timetable change). But something like that would be it's nature be tied into the wider Middlesbrough re-signalling scheme as it would require changes to the signalling layout. Personally that's why I suspect Platform 3 is still hanging around going nowhere quickly. Arguments over who pays for what and when...
It's all well and good extending platform 2, but can you start from there to head west? Not to mention they're probably going to want a longer than 10 min turnaround so where will the unit(s) go in between services? TPE had to run to Redcar as there was nowhere to turn a 6 car service around so what about a 9/10 car?
A bay platform would only be of use for the Nunthorpe shuttles & longer distance Whitby services, in which case the other side of P2 wouldn't be of much use? But there doesn't appear to be any space unless it's off the end of P1 in the current sidings?
 

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It's all well and good extending platform 2, but can you start from there to head west? Not to mention they're probably going to want a longer than 10 min turnaround so where will the unit(s) go in between services? TPE had to run to Redcar as there was nowhere to turn a 6 car service around so what about a 9/10 car?
A bay platform would only be of use for the Nunthorpe shuttles & longer distance Whitby services, in which case the other side of P2 wouldn't be of much use? But there doesn't appear to be any space unless it's off the end of P1 in the current sidings?

I think there was talk of turning them around on the freight lines just behind South Bank station but not confirmed
 

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It's all well and good extending platform 2, but can you start from there to head west? Not to mention they're probably going to want a longer than 10 min turnaround so where will the unit(s) go in between services? TPE had to run to Redcar as there was nowhere to turn a 6 car service around so what about a 9/10 car?

Preaching to the choir. There's a thread somewhere around here where I've made very many of those same points myself!!


A bay platform would only be of use for the Nunthorpe shuttles & longer distance Whitby services, in which case the other side of P2 wouldn't be of much use? But there doesn't appear to be any space unless it's off the end of P1 in the current sidings?

There's room for a bay on the other side of the P2 face at the eastern end of the station and crossing the station throat isn't ideal but not the end of the world. It would certainly require a lot of work however to bring such a facility into use so has long been consigned firmly to my "wouldn't it be lovely if..." pile of ideas rather than a "this is an important upgrade that is required..." pile.
 

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Am I right in thinking the new proposed platform on the north side is for the London service? If so, is the proposal, that services from London will also leave from that platform or will they pull out of the Station before moving across to Platform 1?
If the new platform 3(?) is going to be used for Departures & Arrivals, I wondering if a siding could be constructed near the Riverside Stadium. I recently heard that the trees & bushes on the railway land between the present tracks and the road beside the Riverside stadium had been cleared. A quick look on google suggests a 400m siding might be possible.
 

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I'm a big believer of that's why all the vegetation and what not has been cleared behind the riverside, to house an Azuma that needs to clear the platform for a short period.
Aye the plans for the extra platform is a full length one at the back of platform 2. So LNER services could be in effect have their own platform. I imagine Tp may use is as well if they then reduced the amount of services to Redcar because they can turn around in Middlesbrough easier.
 
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