norbitonflyer
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if you're being spur-of-the-moment your plan isn't important
Or it's an emergency. The most recent time I used a turn up and go fare on LNER was the day my father died.
if you're being spur-of-the-moment your plan isn't important
Are they not? They don't offer Nectar points any more. I thought a new 'thing' was on its way?
Are LNER trawling for data for passenger travel for SHOW/NO-SHOW situations? If LNER have a 100% seat reservation policy as per Air travel, then use the Show/No-show factor to operate a policy of seat overbooking, selling more tickets for travel than the seating capacity of the train and the 'No-shows' cover the overbooking , the Air travel industry have been pulling the stunt for decades.
This all sounds a little intimidating. What would they do if you missed a connection, had to travel on their next available services which then had no space? Would they just tell you to **** off and try again tomorrow?LNER currently expect you to reserve, and if you try on the day and there aren't any socially distanced seat reservations left, they expect you not to board. If you're already travelling on one of their trains and you didn't reserve, and there's no availability for you to do so on your phone, you're expected to leave the train at the next station, as per their seat reservation labels. Of course that means little for the journeys of one stop as you suggest.
This all sounds a little intimidating. What would they do if you missed a connection, had to travel on their next available services which then had no space? Would they just tell you to **** off and try again tomorrow?
For example TPE are not known to be super reliable On their Scarborough services which may well have lots of people connecting for a London service at York. Not their fault if something is late. The idea that they could board and are later told to get off half way through a long distance journey because they didn’t have a valid reservation troubles me a lot!
Policies like this will intimidate and stop many from using the railways and make those who don’t have any other option fear every journey.
Noticeable how most, if not all, of the "Covid measures" sneaked in are in actual fact ones that the railway has regarded as a nuisance for a long time. Boy, what an opportunity!
Senior citizen passes banned from the Underground in the morning peak - well, TfL staff long had a gripe about this (despite themselves having 24 hour free passes of course as part of the job), disliking those over 60 still in work travelling for free.
GWR banning surfboards - always a nuisance, and embarrassing to the IET project as it shows up the incompetent seating layout.
LNER requiring reservations - long desired, to get away from sharing ECML revenue with others, to allow them to push demand around to suit their own cost saving, etc.
There is another well know user of the ECML that has in the past barred walkup reservations on it services so that there is plenty of room for it's own Advance products, now that is unfair.Noticeable how most, if not all, of the "Covid measures" sneaked in are in actual fact ones that the railway has regarded as a nuisance for a long time. Boy, what an opportunity!
Senior citizen passes banned from the Underground in the morning peak - well, TfL senior staff long had a gripe about this (despite themselves having 24 hour free passes of course as part of the job), disliking those over 60 still in work travelling for free.
GWR banning surfboards - always a nuisance, and embarrassing to the IET project as it shows up the incompetent seating layout.
LNER requiring reservations - long desired, to get away from sharing ECML revenue with others, forces more to buy their operator-specific tickets that they don't have to share with others through Orcats, and allows them to push demand around within the day to suit their own cost saving, etc.
goodness me. They aren't doing that at all. They are trying to run a safe and as attractive as possible service in the current climate. It isn't perfect ( nothing in society is right now) but it is a way to get people onto the trains by convincing them that measures are being taken to protect them, as far as possible, while they are on the train. It is about rebuilding customer confidence in rail as a safe journey option.
For everyone that's put off by rail "not being safe", there's someone that's put off either by the ridiculous restrictions making rail unattractive, or the complete absence of leisure travel reason that also isn't affected by ridiculous restrictions. I can't think of anything I can go and do right now in the same way as I could this time last year.
Is the position of LNER that the passenger cannot complete there journey and is left stranded at a midway point or are reservations no longer compulsory at that point?
From my standpoint I'm not sure how trying to enforce reservations to a delayed passenger with what would have been a valid itinerary could be compatible with the conditions of travel.
Is the position of LNER that the passenger cannot complete there journey and is left stranded at a midway point or are reservations no longer compulsory at that point?
really quite obviously they will get you a cab if they cant get you on the train.
The world has changed. It isn't the same world as last year. That should be obvious. Pretending otherwise wont help.
BTW - i don't want to book a ticket or wear a mask or carry hand gel but accept that, at the moment, if I want/need to use the train those are the rules I have to follow. I either follow those rules or I stay at home. It seems many here have trouble with that very simple choice.
The world has changed. It isn't the same world as last year. That should be obvious. Pretending otherwise wont help.
BTW - i don't want to book a ticket or wear a mask or carry hand gel but accept that, at the moment, if I want/need to use the train those are the rules I have to follow. I either follow those rules or I stay at home. It seems many here have trouble with that very simple choice.
The other option is to take the car. That's a real, walk-on, walk-off, anytime service. Living in central London the train has always been more practical across the country than most, and traditionally I used it far more than my colleagues. But I haven't got in one since March.I don't want to book a ticket or wear a mask or carry hand gel but accept that, at the moment, if I want/need to use the train those are the rules I have to follow. I either follow those rules or I stay at home.
The other option is to take the car. Living in central London the train has always been more practical across the country than most, and traditionally I used it far more than my colleagues. But I haven't got in one since March.
Off topic, but I've seen passengers with advance from Manchester to Stockport and East Didsbury recently...I booked a LNER advance , Edinburgh to Perth other day ,just a few hours before departure. Was cheaper than normal off peak fare but for that distance, shouldnt be advances.
The service was not busy, but if it was sold out that would be unfair on walk ups.
Off topic, but I've seen passengers with advance from Manchester to Stockport and East Didsbury recently...
To be honest I recently did Derby-Newton Abbot & Torquay-Norwich wearing a nice cotton mask & it wasnt too bad. The newer trains on the return where best as the air-con is nice & cool which helps. Had the odd break to eat/drink of course but didn't put me off travelling.I've been enjoying it as it's a bit of a change (and I've just got a new car) but I would like to come back at some point, but not while masks are required.
That’s hopefully the case, however for the journey mentioned above (Scarborough to Kings Cross) that would incur at least a 2 hour delay. Win win with delay repay there (assuming that’s still happening). On the downside that’s an arrival into kings Cross at a very anti social hour!really quite obviously they will get you a cab if they cant get you on the train.
That’s hopefully the case, however for the journey mentioned above (Scarborough to Kings Cross) that would incur at least a 2 hour delay. Win win with delay repay there (assuming that’s still happening). On the downside that’s an arrival into kings Cross at a very anti social hour!
There is no requirement to carry hand sanitizer.BTW - i don't want to book a ticket or wear a mask or carry hand gel but accept that, at the moment, if I want/need to use the train those are the rules I have to follow. I either follow those rules or I stay at home. It seems many here have trouble with that very simple choice.
They weren't. Advances with the origin of Manchester Piccadilly and the destination of Stockport/East Didsbury.Are they part of a longer journey?
They weren't. Advances with the origin of Manchester Piccadilly and the destination of Stockport/East Didsbury.