Further Restrictions Announced by Johnson (22/09)

[Andyh82]

Well to all those people who keep quoting news paper articles saying that the wind is changing direction and there is going to be civil unrest...

The headline on the BBC News at One was “The PM defends the new measures but critics say he hasn’t gone far enough”

The main complaint was testing and the fact that furlough needs to be retained to allow the measures to happen

One scientist was quoted saying he doesn’t think Scotland have gone far enough either

 

[NorthOxonian]

Guess we'll have to wait and see what the law says then, which no doubt will appear around 11pm tonight.

Cinemas *were* included in the 'local lockdowns' that had 10pm curfews. Hopefully they've had a rare outbreak of common sense, but I'm not holding my breath.



Agreed that not many people are going (though Tenet did better than I think most people expected, and not much else of consequence has actually been released yet). My local cinemas started with 'last shows' rather earlier than usual, but they've reverted as time has gone on to showings at similar times as before. On a quick look, there's quite a few showings tonight that won't finish until about 11.

There do seem to be a lot of ambiguities in the rules still. Take face coverings in hospitality - do they need to be worn in outside areas such as beer gardens? Do they need to be worn when sat at a table but waiting for food and drink? Sadly, a lot of these will probably end up being open to interpretation, which will lead to a great deal of conflict.

 

[Trackman]

COVID-19 is clearly causing lots of problems. It's high time COVID-20 was released. I hope it has lots of bug fixes.

I'll get me coat.

It was released on Monday.

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[DB]

Well to all those people who keep quoting news paper articles saying that the wind is changing direction and there is going to be civil unrest...

The headline on the BBC News at One was “The PM defends the new measures but critics say he hasn’t gone far enough”

The main complaint was testing and the fact that furlough needs to be retained to allow the measures to happen

One scientist was quoted saying he doesn’t think Scotland have gone far enough either

There are certainly people who think that, as there always were - the change is that the newspapers were all taking that line until very recently, but the opposite view is now appearing too.

 

[Mag_seven]

The headline on the BBC News at One was “The PM defends the new measures but critics say he hasn’t gone far enough”

One scientist was quoted saying he doesn’t think Scotland have gone far enough either

Unfortunately there appear to be those who will not rest until we are all locked away until there is a vaccine and the media (especially the BBC and Sky) just love giving them air time.

 

[initiation]

Supposedly this is what the population thinks of the new measures. Insane.

 

[MattA7]

My mother is a health/social care worker the last thing she and her colleagues want is a overwhelmed health service however even she thinks enough is enough and it’s time we went back to normality accepting the virus will be among us. She believes at the moment people are not living they are existing and that if we don’t revert back to normality soon the virus will be the least of our worries due to the mental and physical health problems that the restrictions are causing. Not to mention the fact that the economy will fail catastrophically.

she also dislikes the term “Covid 19 survivors” as the term “survivor” is often used in illnesses/situations only a minority survive

 

[Crossover]

Unfortunately there appear to be those who will not rest until we are all locked away until there is a vaccine and the media (especially the BBC and Sky) just love giving them air time.

My feeling (my reading may be incorrect, however) was that the BBC's angle was turning a little (at least, the other day they had an article mentioning why the uptick in positive tests may not be cause for alarm)

 

[takno]

My feeling (my reading may be incorrect, however) was that the BBC's angle was turning a little (at least, the other day they had an article mentioning why the uptick in positive tests may not be cause for alarm)

The BBC website has always run a reasonable number of stories questioning the seriousness of the situation and the approach. I do get the impression from a couple of the Health Correspondent's sidebars in recent articles that he's started openly asking some quite fundamental questions about "the science" underpinning this whole mess.

 

[DustyBin]

Supposedly this is what the population thinks of the new measures. Insane.

I think there are a lot of people out there who don't undertand the economic impact of what we are doing, nor the impact on those with other medical conditions. Unfortunately many people don't have the capability or inclination to think critically and/or do their own research, all they see and hear is 'Covid will kill us all' and therefore think it must be defeated at any cost. The media have a lot to answer for in all this....

 

[Mag_seven]

I think there are a lot of people out there who don't understand the economic impact of what we are doing

They don't now but when the P45s start landing on their doormats, they soon will.

 

[Scrotnig]

I think there are a lot of people out there who don't undertand the economic impact of what we are doing, nor the impact on those with other medical conditions. Unfortunately many people don't have the capability or inclination to think critically and/or do their own research, all they see and hear is 'Covid will kill us all' and therefore think it must be defeated at any cost. The media have a lot to answer for in all this....

Indeed, but all you get if you ever dare challenge such people and point out the dire economic and health consequences of all this, is "better than dying on a ventilator though, hun".

 

[DustyBin]

They don't now but when the P45s start landing on their doormats, they soon will.

Quite. The lack of foresight is frankly astonishing!

Indeed, but all you get if you ever dare challenge such people and point out the dire economic and health consequences of all this, is "better than dying on a ventilator though, hun".

I've experienced that myself almost word for word! You're wasting your time trying to talk to such people....

 

[Yew]

Indeed, but all you get if you ever dare challenge such people and point out the dire economic and health consequences of all this, is "better than dying on a ventilator though, hun".

It's honestly like these people don't understand that actions have consequences, the economy isn't the profits of the capitalist class, it's small businesses, independent traders, employees looking to advance, and people with low job security that we're putting on the line. It's missed cancer diagnoses, obesity and heart disease caused by inactivity and confinement. It's the mental health of the entire country that we're putting on the line.

Stay at Home, Create a ticking timebomb for the NHS, Ruin lives and liveliehoods.

 

[thejuggler]

I don't believe Government now care about the economic or personal impact of the situation. They have had 6 months to sort a proper test, track, trace and isolate system and haven't.

When confronted with these facts the response is 'how dare you denegrate our wonderful NHS Test and Trace system (when it is actually Serco system using Hays Travel staff who aren't selling holidays), or 'how dare you upset lovely Dido who is doing a truly brilliant job'.

Their response now is to ramp up fines for disobeying their orders.

 

[DustyBin]

It's honestly like these people don't understand that actions have consequences, the economy isn't the profits of the capitalist class, it's small businesses, independent traders, employees looking to advance, and people with low job security that we're putting on the line. It's missed cancer diagnoses, obesity and heart disease caused by inactivity and confinement. It's the mental health of the entire country that we're putting on the line.

Stay at Home, Create a ticking timebomb for the NHS, Ruin lives and liveliehoods.

Exactly this. I suspect that many of these people work (if they do work) in low income jobs and see the benefits system as a viable safety net; for them unemployment doesn't mean a drastic reduction in living standards (I know people in this position). I say that with no disprespect to people working in low income jobs incidentally, but some people have more to lose as a result of the impending economic disaster than others. Of course on the other hand they may be extemely wealthy and believe their wealth will insulate them from hardship. If you're somewhere in the middle, this is all very worrying and I'm sure there will be plenty of people out there calculating how long they can survive on their savings and redundancy pay....

 

[Scrotnig]

It's honestly like these people don't understand that actions have consequences, the economy isn't the profits of the capitalist class, it's small businesses, independent traders, employees looking to advance, and people with low job security that we're putting on the line. It's missed cancer diagnoses, obesity and heart disease caused by inactivity and confinement. It's the mental health of the entire country that we're putting on the line.

If you mention cancer or any other illness like that, you get back "you can't catch cancer though hun".

There is literally no getting through to them. Which doesn't matter in and of itself, it's just that these are the people driving government policy at the moment, for unknown reasons.

 

[Mag_seven]

If you mention cancer or any other illness like that, you get back "you can't catch cancer though hun".

Despite the fact that cancer is far more life threatening for anyone that gets it, unlike COVID.

 

[adc82140]

Despite the fact that cancer is far more life threatening for anyone that gets it, unlike COVID.

Each and every one of us has a 50% chance of developing cancer in our lifetime. The best outcomes are from those that are identified early, and treated promptly. By taking away screening services and delaying treatments you are signing the death warrants of many more people than Covid will kill. So the Karens can put that in their pipe and smoke it

 

[Andyh82]

Supposedly this is what the population thinks of the new measures. Insane.

That is interesting, and the split across political lines is very interesting.

This forum seems out of step with the wider public, and even more so when based on the threads I’ve read, and the way the rail industry in general goes, that you’d expect more here to be in column 3 rather than column 2

Why are Labour voters more likely to say they’ve not gone far enough? Because it’s Boris and the tories so it’s engrained in their viewpoint that he must be wrong? Or because the economic side isn’t considered? ‘The economy’ just effects fat cat bosses and therefore we shouldn’t worry about closing down more of it again?

 

[C J Snarzell]

I didn't watch last night as I bought a new TV recently and don't really want to end up smashing it.

But I see he said tripe like this



In other words : it is your fault, and time to stop being so free.

I know I've made this analogy before, but the connection between the way the government is treating us, and the way in an abusive relationship the abuser treats their victim, is becoming ever more clear.

- Isolation. You're cut off from family and friends and work colleagues.
- Punishment. You can't do the things you like, or they are subject to so many rules that they're not enjoyable anymore.
- Blame. You are constantly told that it is your fault you're not allowed to do this any more. And if only you followed the rules, you'd be able to do so again.
- Confusion. The rules to follow are arbitrary, frequently change, make little sense.
- Humiliation. You're forced to do degrading things just because you're told you must.
- Self-worth. You're told you're a bad person, nasty, dangerous, unclean.
- Tracking. Everything you do is tracked and logged.

It is obvious, disturbing, and we need to stop accepting it.

Maybe Women's Aid need to contact Carrie Symmons then.

CJ

 

[DustyBin]

That is interesting, and the split across political lines is very interesting.

This forum seems out of step with the wider public, and even more so when based on the threads I’ve read, and the way the rail industry in general goes, that you’d expect more here to be in column 3 rather than column 2

Why are Labour voters more likely to say they’ve not gone far enough? Because it’s Boris and the tories so it’s engrained in their viewpoint that he must be wrong? Or because the economic side isn’t considered? ‘The economy’ just effects fat cat bosses and therefore we shouldn’t worry about closing down more of it again?

Based on that graph every forum I’m a member of is out of step with public opinion!

If you’ll excuse the generalisation, as per my previous post it may well be that many working class labour voters have less to lose economically, or as you suggested don’t see ‘the economy’ as important because it’s somebody else’s concern. They may also be less inclined to critique the narrative and may take more notice of social media. I’m merely speculating here mind!

As for simply wanting to oppose the Conservative government, I’m sure that will be a factor for some, however it should be remembered how many traditional labour seats turned blue following the general election.

 

[LAX54]

Indeed, but all you get if you ever dare challenge such people and point out the dire economic and health consequences of all this, is "better than dying on a ventilator though, hun".

and when you mention the 2017/18 flu season, that took 50,000+ we are told 'but that was different' but can never explain the 'difference', well apart from we just got on with it !

 

[bramling]

Based on that graph every forum I’m a member of is out of step with public opinion!

If you’ll excuse the generalisation, as per my previous post it may well be that many working class labour voters have less to lose economically, or as you suggested don’t see ‘the economy’ as important because it’s somebody else’s concern. They may also be less inclined to critique the narrative and may take more notice of social media. I’m merely speculating here mind!

As for simply wanting to oppose the Conservative government, I’m sure that will be a factor for some, however it should be remembered how many traditional labour seats turned blue following the general election.

It’s a little odd how there’s such a clear division along party lines. But then no odder than toilet rolls and bleach I suppose.

 

[87electric]

They don't now but when the P45s start landing on their doormats, they soon will.

Not onto the doormat. It will be an email attachment with accompanying text of "Stay safe, stay at home".

 

[Hadders]

Judging by the state of the A1(M) and M25 this morning (on my way to and from work) people aren't working from home....

Highest level of traffic I've seen for months.

 

[MattA7]

I am trying to avoid the news as much as possible but see this and really not sure how to get through the next 6 months.

The whole point of the first set of restrictions in March was to give you time to work out what you were going to do and put in place your plan to allow you to live with this in a sustained way - so things like your track and trace system etc.

This shows that we have completely failed on that so it is yet more rules and restrictions, with likely more to come, and instead of finding ways to live with this our only solution seems to be to stay at home and hope it goes away without much regard for the wider damage that will do.

It has been fine to be working remotely during the summer - when you can go on long walks or enjoy lunch in the garden - but doing the same in winter is a horrible thought.

Another 6 months with nothing to look forward to, no opportunity to do the things that make life worth living or even just that little bit of social contact. What precisely are we existing for right now when all the joy of life is being sucked away?

I’m sitting thinking the same thing I’m not sure how I’m going to cope for another 6 months my physical and mental health are bad enough at the moment due to what’s being going on. If I had the finances to do so I would go and stay with my father’s family abroad (they have almost normality over there) but I cannot afford to and also wouldn’t like leaving my house empty for such a extended period of time. My mother family also live abroad but they have quite limiting restrictions as far as I know (at least in the area they stay) Although not as bad as here.

im not sure about the best way moving forward but I’ll have to try and think of something

 

[furlong]

Be wary of taking anything from YouGov (or indeed any pollster) at face value the moment - there were suggestions of bias on twitter a few weeks ago when someone spotted the numbers on a poll suddenly changing in an unrealistic way, and the company is apparently continuing not to respond to the people who spotted this and asked them to explain what they were doing. There could be groups on both sides of the debate attempting to manipulate the numbers followed by further biases from attempts to correct for it. If there is any correction going on, it's only fair to be transparent about the complete set of data they worked with including any exclusions or adjustments they apply.

(reference https://twitter.com/WillowWyse/status/1298034996112953354 )

 

[Skimpot flyer]

They don't now but when the P45s start landing on their doormats, they soon will.

And the people on furlough who do have a job to go back to (for a short while) will start whining about ‘there’s nowhere to buy a coffee or grab a snack near my office anymore’

 

[LAX54]

It's all a smokescreen to steer us away from the change in the Brexit agreement, that Mr J has now admitted will lead to 2 day queues at Dover, and 7,000 lorries stacked

As for 'working at home' as this becomes your place of employment, possibly for some time! if you are a smoker, are you prohibited from smoking, as it is your office ?