Transdev Blazefield

[Ashly_Jethro]

Ouch sore one. Hope all make a speedy recovery, the B9TL too!

I will resist temptation to damn the Range Rover driver, as you don't know the circumstances, what looks like complete negligence could be far more complex and doesn't require or benefit from anyones public judgement.

The bus is a write-off sadly... tho no serious injuries to those onboard thankfully

 

[M60lad]

Out of interest can Transdev afford to lose one of these B9TLs? I only ask as I thought that most if not all of them were supposedly going to be transfered within group once the new MMC400s for X43s arrive.

Looking at Bus-Times yesterday it seemed that there were about 3/4 B9TLs off the road for some reason or other wth 3 Pride of the North B7TLs and the Plaxton President Volvo B7 replacing them.

 

[SCH117X]

Out of interest can Transdev afford to lose one of these B9TLs? I only ask as I thought that most if not all of them were supposedly going to be transfered within group once the new MMC400s for X43s arrive.

Presumably a lease of life for one of the 2003 Geminis at least, although given they were all significantly rebuilt c10 years ago they should be able to run a number of them for a while longer.

 

[Andyh82]

If the chassis hasn’t been damaged they may fix it up and reinstate it in time

 

[Ashly_Jethro]

If the chassis hasn’t been damaged they may fix it up and reinstate it in time

It’s been written off, the chassis twisted in the crash. But like Sch177x said, this could mean a new lease of life for one of the old 36 B7s

 

[LOL The Irony]

It’s been written off, the chassis twisted in the crash. But like Sch177x said, this could mean a new lease of life for one of the old 36 B7s

So Transdev managed to get an assessor out in 2 days during a pandemic? Do they have their own in house assessors?

 

[bluenoxid]

So Transdev managed to get an assessor out in 2 days during a pandemic? Do they have their own in house assessors?

Many people are more informed than me but I understand that larger operators have chosen to not include replacement of buses in their insurance policies, so it will be a fleet manager decision. I assume that the Range Rover insurance company (if fault is being allocated there) will prioritise this for assessment due to the size of the bill being landed.

 

[RustySpoons]

Presumably a lease of life for one of the 2003 Geminis at least, although given they were all significantly rebuilt c10 years ago they should be able to run a number of them for a while longer.

Despite the heavy refurb they received they've been plagued with reliability issues since. It'd probably be more cost effective long term to keep hold of one of the Coastliner B9s that's due to leave than keep one of the 2003 Geminis going.

 

[JetBlast]

It’s been written off, the chassis twisted in the crash. But like Sch177x said, this could mean a new lease of life for one of the old 36 B7s

What is the source for this please?

 

[SCH117X]

What is the source for this please?

The WYIS fleet list as of 26 Oct has it listed as withdrawn Oct 2020. I thought it was leased but whatever its quite common for accident damage to be assessed via video and if its bad enough not to need any further inspection so it could have been assessed quite easily as beyond either economic or safe repair if that was the case.

 

[Andyh82]

Listing it as withdrawn doesn’t mean anything as it’s obviously not available for service

 

[philthetube]

Many people are more informed than me but I understand that larger operators have chosen to not include replacement of buses in their insurance policies, so it will be a fleet manager decision. I assume that the Range Rover insurance company (if fault is being allocated there) will prioritise this for assessment due to the size of the bill being landed.

The two sides will establish a value for the bus then the Range Rover insures will decide whether to repair or write off.

Transdev could take the write off offer and repair it.

If repair is cheaper than write off then that is what Transdev will end up with.

 

[SCH117X]

Listing it as withdrawn doesn’t mean anything as it’s obviously not available for service

Point taken and looking at WYIS list again it is listed as being for possible re-use rather than disposal

 

[RustySpoons]

Point taken and looking at WYIS list again it is listed as being for possible re-use rather than disposal

Although unlikely it could also be a source of spares should they decide to keep on one of the Coastliner B9s and bring it to the same spec as the WWs.

 

[M60lad]

Looking at the damge to the bus could it actually be repaired? And where would it go to be repaired and are Wrights/Bamford able to repair it?

 

[philthetube]

If repairable then any coach builder should be able to do it, basically a case of replacing all the bent bits.

Not as simple as that makes it sound.

 

[LucyP]

No they won't. That isn't how insurance works. Transdev will make a claim against THEIR insurers, (assuming that they are not "self-insuring"). Their insurers insure the bus, and not the Range Rover driver's. Their insurers will decide whether the bus can be repaired or is beyond economic repair and they will then "write it off" if it is.

If they do that, then the bus will belong to them. They will pay Transdev the value of the bus and it is up to the insurer whether they crush the bus, or sell it for parts or sell it as a "damaged repairable". That is how the different categories of salvage operate. It depends which category it is placed in.

If Transdev want to buy it back for parts or as a "damaged repairable", then they can agree a price with the insurers if the insurers are willing to do that.

It will then be down to Transdev's insurers to recover their outlay from the Range Rover driver's insurers and establish that the accident was the fault of the Range Rover driver.

For those questioning whether Transdev have had the bus assessed already, the point is this - they are a large company, operating many buses, employing many qualified and experienced engineers who will have seen many damaged buses in their career and they will know whether a bus can be repaired or not and will have seen how badly the chassis is twisted etc. to know that it cannot be repaired.

 

[philthetube]

No they won't. That isn't how insurance works. Transdev will make a claim against THEIR insurers, (assuming that they are not "self-insuring"). Their insurers insure the bus, and not the Range Rover driver's. Their insurers will decide whether the bus can be repaired or is beyond economic repair and they will then "write it off" if it is.

If they do that, then the bus will belong to them. They will pay Transdev the value of the bus and it is up to the insurer whether they crush the bus, or sell it for parts or sell it as a "damaged repairable". That is how the different categories of salvage operate. It depends which category it is placed in.

If Transdev want to buy it back for parts or as a "damaged repairable", then they can agree a price with the insurers if the insurers are willing to do that.

It will then be down to Transdev's insurers to recover their outlay from the Range Rover driver's insurers and establish that the accident was the fault of the Range Rover driver.

For those questioning whether Transdev have had the bus assessed already, the point is this - they are a large company, operating many buses, employing many qualified and experienced engineers who will have seen many damaged buses in their career and they will know whether a bus can be repaired or not and will have seen how badly the chassis is twisted etc. to know that it cannot be repaired.

Everything spot on except.

Transdev will inform their insurers who will make a claim against the range rovers insurers.

Transdev's insurers are able to just say what they want and get it, this will be negotiated and if transdev are happy with the offer it will be accepted and if not negotiations will continue and possibly end up in court.

People often have issues with insurers trying to claim "knock for knock" but there is no chance of that in this case.

 

[LucyP]

Everything spot on except.

Transdev will inform their insurers who will make a claim against the range rovers insurers.

Transdev's insurers are able to just say what they want and get it, this will be negotiated and if transdev are happy with the offer it will be accepted and if not negotiations will continue and possibly end up in court.

People often have issues with insurers trying to claim "knock for knock" but there is no chance of that in this case.

I stated that Transdev would seek to recover their loss from the Range Rover driver's insurers! Read my post again!

You are also assuming that Transdev are not self-insuring. And it won't end up in Court between Transdev and their insurers! It's a bus, not an exotic classic car. The value is pretty easy to ascertain.

Why do you mention "knock for knock" what relevance is that?

 

[M803UYA]

Philthetube - I stated that Transdev would seek to recover their loss from the Range Rover driver's insurers! Read my post again!

You are also assuming that Transdev are not self-insuring. And it won't end up in Court between Transdev and their insurers! It's a bus, not an exotic classic car. The value is pretty easy to ascertain.

Why do you mention "knock for knock" what relevance is that?

Not only will Transdev seek to recover their loss of the bus from the car's insurers, there could also be a daily cost of 'loss of use' which will be met by the insurance company of the car if liability has been admitted. The cost of a replacement hire vehicle could be rather expensive.
It matters not if Transdev self insures, they can still make a claim, and would do if the Range Rover's insurers are liable.

 

[GusB]

A few points to raise, if I may:

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[Ashly_Jethro]

Insurance aside, 2714 (Y714 HRN) sustained very heavy damage after a crash on the X41 but was fully repaired and is still in service at Keighley. That being said, with 2779 crashing into the wall like it did, it may have caused damage to the chassis (which I’ve heard it has) so it may be a case of using it to repair one of the 53 plates or upgrading one of the 12 plate ex coastliners to x43 speck.

 

[M60lad]

If I remember rightly due to the nature of the incident with 2714 Y714HRN it was tranfered out of Burnley to Keighley when it was repaired and hasn't been back to Burnley since.

Wasnt this the one that was involved in an nasty incident on M66?

 

[RustySpoons]

If I remember rightly due to the nature of the incident with 2714 Y714HRN it was tranfered out of Burnley to Keighley when it was repaired and hasn't been back to Burnley since.

Wasnt this the one that was involved in an nasty incident on M66?

That's correct, although it was Blackburn. No one in Lancashire would drive it out of respect of the driver that unfortunately lost his life.

 

[Aaron Ashton]

It was first transferred to Harrogate then Keighley

 

[Bwsbro]

Alex Hornby has announced on Twitter the new name for local services in Rossendale following a long term contract award with the council to improve the local bus network

The network will be known as the Rossendale Rovers, following in the same theme as the Bury Bolts and Rochdale Runners brands

Introducing Rossendale Rovers

From the brand diagram it is based on Optare Solo SR bodied vehicles. I wonder if these are new additions to the Rosso fleet or cascades from other parts of the Transdev network

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Alex Hornby has announced on Twitter the new name for local services in Rossendale following a long term contract award with the council to improve the local bus network

The network will be known as the Rossendale Rovers, following in the same theme as the Bury Bolts and Rochdale Runners brands

Introducing Rossendale Rovers

From the brand diagram it is based on Optare Solo SR bodied vehicles. I wonder if these are new additions to the Rosso fleet or cascades from other parts of the Transdev network

Assume that is for the 10/11/12/13? What are the improvements that come with new contract/funding?

Being mischievous, looking forward to some Transdev bingo.

 

[Andyh82]

Well it refers to Rawtenstall and Bacup, so it’s perhaps more than just the 10-13?

The 10/13 and the 8 currently have school workings on the boards so are run with deckers

 

[Ashly_Jethro]

Alex Hornby has announced on Twitter the new name for local services in Rossendale following a long term contract award with the council to improve the local bus network

The network will be known as the Rossendale Rovers, following in the same theme as the Bury Bolts and Rochdale Runners brands

Introducing Rossendale Rovers

From the brand diagram it is based on Optare Solo SR bodied vehicles. I wonder if these are new additions to the Rosso fleet or cascades from other parts of the Transdev network

The image displays Fleet no. 150 which is one of the keighley jets... although could be a place holder for new vehicles?

 

[RustySpoons]

At this point I'd just take the mock up picture with a pinch of salt. Remember when the original Zap was launched and they showed the livery on a B5, a few people were adamant they'd be the vehicles used.

Incidentally is there anything within the fleet at the moment that could be cascaded to Rosso for these services? There's also the chance they'll be buying used buses in again.