As one of the big three in the EU we were in control of much more than we are now. There wouldn't have been an EU army if we didn't want one.Much better to be in control of our own destiny
As one of the big three in the EU we were in control of much more than we are now. There wouldn't have been an EU army if we didn't want one.Much better to be in control of our own destiny
I don’t see any movement in any of the larger members of the E.U. towards having a single E.U. army. And given the continued reduction in the British Army, in the coming years it may well be us, the U.K. that wants such a thing if we feel threatened by Russia or China. Soon the so called Royal Navy will be down to less than twenty active surface fighting warships (current numbers here). Compare that to the task force we sent to retake the Falklands.And have a political union? And a single currency? And a single Army?
If they've not bothered to fill out the form, I'll pillory their disorganisation instead. I've no sympathy for not bothering.
And have a political union? And a single currency? And a single Army?
.....Wait ....
What about Iraq , Afghanistan and NATO joint commands ?
That's an understatement on both parts. There are head in the clouds federalists who want to see a United States of Europe. But equally, there are stanch nationalists who, while acknowledging the benefits to be had by being in the single market, are dead set against the idea of a supranational government.There's significant resistance to this, although there are federalists who are pushing for it to come about.
Little. But that would probably be due to them not having time machines.What help did the our EU allies give during the Falklands War.
What are these 'codes' of which you speak?France did not give us the Exocet codes that could have saved many British lives.
.....The result is that the status quo will obtain in the medium to long term....
Of course it's not. No organisation sets out its plan for the upcoming year as "Basically, just do the same thing we've been doing".The status quo is not on the agenda. It wasn’t in 2016 and it isn’t now.
The article doesn't say anything that I didn't. 51% of the share capital being owned by the French government isn't the same thing as 100% controlled by the French government.The last paragraph sums it all up. Also the private company helping Argentina was 51% owned by the French government.
Source: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Dassault-IndustriesBetween 1977 and 1981 the French government accumulated a 45.76 percent interest in Dassault, which it transferred to the French aerospace firm Aerospatiale (a forerunner of EADS) in 1998.
Source: https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB895177236502029000The French government took a first step in the long-expected restructuring of the country's aerospace industry Thursday by shifting its 46% stake in jet-fighter manufacturer Dassault Aviation into the hands of state-owned Aerospatiale.
Thats because it was a right: The right to free movement, which Britain has now taken away from its own citizens.Almost to the point that they've treated it as a right.
They could have had, but the UK took the route of cutting all EU ties and being a 3rd country. Therefore it is down to the individual member states to implement/adapt their own imigration policies for 3rd country nationals, because they are soverign entities.One would hope that the EU would have the equivalent of our EU settlement scheme. Otherwise it doesn't say much for reciprocity.
They could have had, but the UK took the route of cutting all EU ties and being a 3rd country. Therefore it is down to the individual member states to implement/adapt their own imigration policies for 3rd country nationals, because they are soverign entities.
And most if not all of the countries in the EU have adopted recipricol policies that allow British Citizens to stay.They are indeed. But having reciprocal arrangements has always struck me as a good way for sovereign nations to interact with eachother.
And most if not all of the countries in the EU have adopted recipricol policies that allow British Citizens to stay.
However the UK cannot just say here is the policy we will implement for your citizens, we expect you to do exactly the same. That isn't reciprocity, that is the UK thinking it is better than others and can dictate policy to them.
What help did the our EU allies give during the Falklands War. France did not give us the Exocet codes that could have saved many British lives.
Absolutely none, the EU didn't exist until 1993.What help did the our EU allies give during the Falklands War.
The EEC was founded originally to ensure co-operation between the 3 big western European countries (France/Germany/Italy) and to reduce the likelihood of armed conflict between them. The UK was not wanted originally as a partner, and after the 2nd refusal to admit it in the late 1960s and with the benefit of the retrospectoscope, should have accepted that decision and moved on. When the UK finally joined, it was as a lesser partner and the big 3 remained the same until German unification. Subsequent to this event, Germany has become the dominant partner, due to its size and economic power.As one of the big three in the EU we were in control of much more than we are now. There wouldn't have been an EU army if we didn't want one.
Thanks God EU did not exist during 2nd WW , there would be plenty to blame them for . Would it not ?
I knew there was a chip on one shoulder, but apparently there's one on the other one too.Will Scotland likewise pay alimony to England if there is a split? I don't think so. They will ask for reparations.
The third aspect of our pressure against Argentina has been economic. We have been urging our friends and allies to take action parallel to our own, and we have achieved a heartening degree of success. The most significant measure has been the decision of our nine partners in the European Community to join us not just in an arms embargo but also in stopping all imports from Argentina.
This is a very important step, unprecedented in its scope and the rapidity of the decision. Last year about a quarter of all Argentina's exports went to the European Community. The effect on Argentina's economy of this measure will therefore be considerable and cannot be without influence on her leaders in the present crisis. I should like warmly to thank our European partners for rallying to our support. It was an effective demonstration of Community solidarity.
The decision cannot have been easy for our partners, given the commercial interests at stake, but they were the first to realise that if aggression were allowed to succeed in the Falkland Islands, it would be encouraged the world over.
"It's bordering on an act of treason, or disobedience to an embargo," he says. "I mean, it's clear that if the head of state in France decrees an embargo, it's an embargo. Full point."
"It is now undeniable and... one should not belittle it. This was not what was supposed to be done. It is the sort of thing which mars what should otherwise have been picture-perfect co-operation between the two countries,
Out of context reply by leaving out the first part. It's funny on a Rail Forum this is the most active thread !!I knew there was a chip on one shoulder, but apparently there's one on the other one too.
Indeed the Brexiteer ignorance is strong in this one.I knew there was a chip on one shoulder, but apparently there's one on the other one too.
Okay...Out of context reply by leaving out the first part.
Nope. Still reads exactly the same.and the smaller entity has to pay the alimony. Will Scotland likewise pay alimony to England if there is a split? I don't think so. They will ask for reparations.
Is that because there's so still much misinformation, inaccuracy and reductionist claptrap from a few Brexiteers on this thread that requires constant correction?It's funny on a Rail Forum this is the most active thread !!
Yes, there's no denying that Germany holds a lot of sway in defining EU policy, but that's not to say that the UK didn't. I'm not aware of any major EU policy that was enacted over the objections of the UK government, and many of the things that the pro-Brexit side held up of examples of "EU overreach" where things that we were in favour of. Famously, Margaret Thatcher was instrumental in creating the single market, along with the pan-Europe standards that its implementation required.When the UK finally joined, it was as a lesser partner and the big 3 remained the same until German unification. Subsequent to this event, Germany has become the dominant partner, due to its size and economic power.
The BBC tends to annoy both the left and right so they must be doing something right.So the BBC got that wrong in 2012? The BBC have never been Tory friendly and before the referendum and since have been pro EU or at least 51% of their reporters.
Beyond the simple fact that they provided some sort of central authority, any comparison of the EU with either Hitler or Napoleon is clearly ridiculous. A voluntary partnership of independent nations stands no comparison with a military conquest that killed around five million people by genocide and millions more in armed conflict. A bit like comparing the actions of our Queen with Henry VIII on the grounds they were both British monarchs.Some might view the Greater Germany of WW2 as a forerunner of the EU in some ways, although it was clearly not a voluntary partnership. Napoleon's Continental System, established following the Berlin decree of 1806, was another autocratic attempt to create a European continental block opposed to the UK.
The BBC tends to annoy both the left and right so they must be doing something right.
You’ll be pleased to know the new DG is a Tory, and the Chairman is appointed by government, the current one a Brexit supporter. I should add, they seem to be good from what I’ve read about them, but kind of makes the ‘left wing bias’ stuff I hear about them slight nonsense.
Out of context reply by leaving out the first part. It's funny on a Rail Forum this is the most active thread !!