Freightmaster
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I fear some have lost the plot and are begging for authoritarianism without understanding that it effects them too.
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I fear some have lost the plot and are begging for authoritarianism without understanding that it effects them too.
I think it should be mandatory, have the vaccine or be refused future medical treatment
Shocking.Obviously you don't care about getting the virus
I think that people voting for the "continue restrictions" option on YouGov broadly fall into three categories:The difficulty is that we don't know what YouGov mean by "restrictions". Does that mean 53% of people want us to continue as now, or 53% of people are fine with some restrictions continuing but may still want the easing to go ahead? That ambiguity is quite important in trying to work out where public opinion is.
This is simply that Boris is hoist by his own petard of saying it had to be irreversible so he's weighed up the risk of letting Step 4 go ahead then having to reverse it and decided on balance its a tad too risky for him. This is all about him and his needs not the rest of us and this data not dates slogan is just another charade. Of course the majority of the British public will lap this up because they've been brainwashed and for far too many of them they have an easy ride and continuing to work from home suits them down to the ground. Switch off all the support and let reality set in and then lets see what the British public really think.A convenient narrative to the government, locktavists and their merry band of BoJo supporters but not conclusive fact, especially when the majority of people have a 99% chance surviving covid.
The pure truth and fact of the matter is that the goal posts keep changing, get the vaccine so we can go back to normal, more than half the population went out and got the vaccine and now it’s looking likely that “Freedom Day” will be pushed to July, that has nothing to do with unvaccinated people but everything to do with a government that wants to be seen to be doing something rather than accepting that Covid is here to stay and we need to live with it.
I could twist It around and say that locktavists are directly responsible for the upcoming recession, job losses and a unprecedented mental health crisis, for their continued obsession with locking the nation down every time there’s a new variant.
rest behind paywall but lets hope this is CRG making it clear its no more than four weeks.Britain will have a six-week window to open up in the summer or risk keeping Covid-19 restrictions in place until the spring, ministers fear.
Boris Johnson on Saturday gave his clearest signal yet he is planning to delay a full return to normality for another month, as he said he wanted to give Covid-19 vaccines "extra legs" in "the race between the vaccines in the lockdowns".
But government advisers have told ministers they will face a ticking clock before it becomes too late to lift the remaining restrictions in September.
On Saturday night a senior minister said there were fears the planned delay would leave a "very short window to open up", with further postponements leading to an eventual re-opening in the spring, when transmission occurs less easily and winter strains on the NHS have eased.
The minister said: "I am very worried the people who want to keep us shut down now want us to keep us shut down permanently and are aiming for 'zero Covid'.
"Once you start delaying to the spring you're making this type of control of people's lives semi-permanent."
"Once you start delaying to the spring you're making this type of control of people's lives semi-permanent."
I agree that vaccination should be a choice.
However, once all over-18s have been offered two jabs (early autumn), then reasons will need to be found to justify ongoing restrictions, which will include:
i) Children haven't been jabbed yet, so aren't safe
ii) Winter pressure on the NHS
iii) New variants: real or hypothetical
iv) Several million eligible adults haven't come forward for the jab, or have refused it, and they aren't protected but are owed a duty of care by wider society
So actually, I'm afraid refusers are helping to build a narrative for the ongoing restrictions that many of them claim to despise.
They weren't in Wales. I went on my first post lockdown bus ride late June. Peak load of around 15 passengers each way. Only two passengers had masks each way. It was that rare that my daughter asked "what's that lady got on her face!" Same in shops. Maybe 20-25% of people wore them until the day they became mandatory.And masks may not have been mandatory till the end of the month, but everywhere I went people were wearing them!
3. the Working From Home contingent who have spent the past 15 months living the life of Riley and realise that
the current level of restrictions is the 'sweet spot' where they can enjoy most leisure activities without having to
endure their soul destroying daily commute.
(Oh, and it's not at all the "life of Riley", the last 15 month have at times been incredibly stressful sucked a hefty chuck of my job satisfaction from me. I wish posters on this forum would stop perpetuating this urban myth).
Yet another "I can't have it so neither should you" post??The work from home advice needs to be dropped now. If it's "safe" for supermarket workers, teachers, hospital staff, transport workers etc to go into work then it's "safe" for nine to five office workers, even more so if they have been vaccinated.
100% agree with this. Thoughtless stereotyping about having to WFH drives me up the wall. It's obvious to me that those whom perpetuate this garbage have never had to actually do it.
I noticed on a few occasions how people in queues at Greggs were no longer distancing. Maybe as so many people have been vaccinated people see less point in distancing. Admittedly, as distancing does not actually mean it takes any longer to be served, I don't see the problem with a little distancing.There’s definitely less taking notice of distancing. We’re in mid Wales this week, and distancing is virtually non existent. Only a small handful wearing masks outside, and plenty not wearing masks in the corridors of our hotel - and staff not batting an eyelid. Quite refreshing.
I fear some have lost the plot and are begging for authoritarianism without understanding that it effects them too.
Of course a death from Covid is sad as you say, but with certain people no death is as important as a Covid death anymore
As for the 28 day count in other countries, I don’t know I wonder if an international user would be able to enlighten us on this.
Recent statements that the delta virus is now said to be 60% more infectious than other variants and that of the reported deaths said to have been from vaccinated people in the previous period where these people have had both of their vaccinations is now said to be 12 are yet another snippets of medical information that my next-door neighbour (who is a medical consultant) has passed on to me. He is based in one of the teaching hospitals in the North-West.
Do I have to take what he says "with a pinch of salt"?
So, reading between the lines of what you say, in political terms, does what Johnson say now go totally against what the ruling view of the Labour Party think should now happen after the 21st June?This is simply that Boris is hoist by his own petard of saying it had to be irreversible so he's weighed up the risk of letting Step 4 go ahead then having to reverse it and decided on balance its a tad too risky for him. This is all about him and his needs not the rest of us and this data not dates slogan is just another charade. Of course the majority of the British public will lap this up because they've been brainwashed and for far too many of them they have an easy ride and continuing to work from home suits them down to the ground. Switch off all the support and let reality set in and then lets see what the British public really think.
EDIT: This now cropped up in tomorrows daily telegraph
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/06/12/fears-restrictions-could-place-spring/
rest behind paywall but lets hope this is CRG making it clear its no more than four weeks.
OMG!!! I am 76 years of age, had my first Pfizer injection in January and my second Pfizer injection in April. I had a major stroke in July 2012, with a minor TIA in 2013. I had a laparotomy operation in 2018 where I had over a metre of intestine surgically removed, when it was touch and go for 12 hours whether I would pull through. According from my reading of your posting, it is amazing that I am still here, making postings on this website...What age were these people? People with double jabs are likely to be more at risk anyway given they were prioritised, so could well have died from other things whilst testing positive for COVID. I don't know, as I don't have the data, but we shouldnt blindly trust the numbers without asking questions. Vaccinations aren't the elixir of eternal life.
And 12 people in total so far is not that concerning, in comparison to the myriad of other causes of death.
The work from home guidance should be dropped, if nothing else because it means that many people are forced to work from home where they don't want to, with employers justifying it on the basis that "well the advice is WFH, so we can't let you in the office".
It also works the other way around, with staff justifying their refusal to come into work - even if there are reasons to want them to do so - on the basis of "well it's the government advice".
So, reading between the lines of what you say, in political terms, does what Johnson say now go totally against what the ruling view of the Labour Party think should now happen after the 21st June?
The current situation in discussion makes me mindful of a film title which I think was called "The day after tomorrow".
OMG!!! I am 76 years of age, had my first Pfizer injection in January and my second Pfizer injection in April. I had a major stroke in July 2012, with a minor TIA in 2013. I had a laparotomy operation in 2018 where I had over a metre of intestine surgically removed, when it was touch and go for 12 hours whether I would pull through. According from my reading of your posting, it is amazing that I am still here, making postings on this website...
+1 I am sure I will be in the office less then pre COVID. But hours worked is up. Zoom calls are soul destroying. It is harder to turn down meetings as “what else are you doing”In my company (where we've all been working from home), people are definitely increasingly eager to get out and about again. Why would people want to go back to something that is soul destroying - the daily commute is dead for many people, whilst still being able to do their job.
(Oh, and it's not at all the "life of Riley", the last 15 month have at times been incredibly stressful sucked a hefty chuck of my job satisfaction from me. I wish posters on this forum would stop perpetuating this urban myth).
Not sure if you’re pro or anti restrictions but I can’t see how extending restrictions helps the things that really needs to be looked at? For example, small businesses who had already planned on reopening fully on the 21st.
The vast majority of the population have complied this past year but there comes a time when normality resumes.
In my company (where we've all been working from home), people are definitely increasingly eager to get out and about again. Why would people want to go back to something that is soul destroying - the daily commute is dead for many people, whilst still being able to do their job.
(Oh, and it's not at all the "life of Riley", the last 15 month have at times been incredibly stressful sucked a hefty chuck of my job satisfaction from me. I wish posters on this forum would stop perpetuating this urban myth)
The increasing number of cases is something we need to consider, definitely. As is modelling which suggests we may see hospitalisations increase (thanks to the vaccines they will remain at manageable levels, but still perhaps a few thousand per week).Should therefore no heed to be taken of warnings from "The Science" that a third spike caused by the delta virus is statistically beginning to reveal itself? Should these scientific professionals and medical professionals be "gagged" and not be allowed to influence any decision made by a Government.
Reports that a major international container port in China where much of their exports are sent from is in the area of such a third viral spike are to be ignored as just scaremongering from commercial vested interests.
Should therefore no heed to be taken of warnings from "The Science" that a third spike caused by the delta virus is statistically beginning to reveal itself? Should these scientific professionals and medical professionals be "gagged" and not be allowed to influence any decision made by a Government.
Reports that a major international container port in China where much of their exports are sent from is in the area of such a third viral spike are to be ignored as just scaremongering from commercial vested interests.
A lot of the clamour for restrictions centres around people who seem to want other people to be restricted, but who don’t really follow restrictions (or aren’t affected) themselves.
“It’s been lovely at work not having to deal with drunks for the last year”
“I want to continue working from home as it gives me a better work/life balance”
“My journey to work is easier”
“It’s nice having our village to ourselves”
All these things need to be separated out from Covid, as they’re not legitimate reasons for having restrictions.
What European countries have vaccinated 80% of adults?What European countries look likely to ease existing restrictions in the near future, noting the delta virus seems universally widespread. Have the media in those counties made any comment on how the mental health of their population has suffered during this pandemic?
Julia Hartley Brewer interviewed a man the other day who I think works for SAGE, she pressed him until he admitted that he wanted lockdown to stay for selfish reasons,
If people hate the commute that much that they want to WFH permanently, then they should either negotiate with their employer to let them WFH permanently or move to a job that lets them WFH permanently. What they should not be doing is advocating restrictions that gives them what they want but negatively impacts on other people’s lives.A lot of the clamour for restrictions centres around people who seem to want other people to be restricted, but who don’t really follow restrictions (or aren’t affected) themselves.
“It’s been lovely at work not having to deal with drunks for the last year”
“I want to continue working from home as it gives me a better work/life balance”
“My journey to work is easier”
“It’s nice having our village to ourselves”
All these things need to be separated out from Covid, as they’re not legitimate reasons for having restrictions.