Class 365 scrap movements + preservation discussion

[365 Networker]

I found an interesting video showing the 365s during production at York:-

 

[3973EXL]

STP
28/07

Realtime Trains - FRGT 1109 Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Peterboro Nene C.H.S 0E45 37800
Realtime Trains - FRGT 1405 Peterboro Nene C.H.S to Belmont Down Yard 5A23 dep 1400 37800 365520/522
Realtime Trains - FRGT 1743 Belmont Down Yard to Doncaster West Yard

29/07

Realtime Trains - FRGT 1015 Doncaster West Yard to Peterboro Nene C.H.S 0A45 37800
Realtime Trains - FRGT 1405 Peterboro Nene C.H.S to Belmont Down Yard 5A23 dep 1402 37800 365536/506
Realtime Trains - FRGT 1759 Belmont Down Yard to Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail)

31/07

Realtime Trains - 064I 1111 Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Peterboro Nene C.H.S
Realtime Trains - 546I 1407 Peterboro Nene C.H.S to Belmont Down Yard 5A23 dep 1328 37884 365518/508
Realtime Trains - 045J 1722 Belmont Down Yard to Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail)

STP 03/08

Realtime Trains - FRGT 1301 Hornsey E.M.U.D. to Belmont Down Yard 5A23 37884 365510
Realtime Trains - FRGT 1740 Belmont Down Yard to Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail)

 

[St. Paddy]

STP
28/07

Realtime Trains - FRGT 1109 Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Peterboro Nene C.H.S 0E45 37800
Realtime Trains - FRGT 1405 Peterboro Nene C.H.S to Belmont Down Yard 5A23 dep 1400 37800 365520/522
Realtime Trains - FRGT 1743 Belmont Down Yard to Doncaster West Yard

29/07

Realtime Trains - FRGT 1015 Doncaster West Yard to Peterboro Nene C.H.S 0A45 37800
Realtime Trains - FRGT 1405 Peterboro Nene C.H.S to Belmont Down Yard 5A23 dep 1402 37800 365536/506
Realtime Trains - FRGT 1759 Belmont Down Yard to Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail)

31/07

Realtime Trains - 064I 1111 Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) to Peterboro Nene C.H.S
Realtime Trains - 546I 1407 Peterboro Nene C.H.S to Belmont Down Yard 5A23 dep 1328 37884 365518/508
Realtime Trains - 045J 1722 Belmont Down Yard to Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail)

STP 03/08

Realtime Trains - FRGT 1301 Hornsey E.M.U.D. to Belmont Down Yard 5A23
Realtime Trains - FRGT 1740 Belmont Down Yard to Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail)

I believe the only one at Hornsey is 365510

 

[bramling]

I believe the only one at Hornsey is 365510

I think that’s right - on its own on the two high-level sidings at the London end, as of this Saturday just gone.

 

[47444]

I believe the only one at Hornsey is 365510

Are 365512, 365528, 365530 and 365538 still at Ely?

TIA

 

[59CosG95]

Are 365512, 365528, 365530 and 365538 still at Ely?

TIA

Believe so.

 

[47444]

Believe so.

Thanks

 

[St. Paddy]

I think that’s right - on its own on the two high-level sidings at the London end, as of this Saturday just gone.

Still there, 31 road with its pan up

 

[DanNCL]

There were no 365s left in Peterborough Nene Carriage Sidings when I went past yesterday, all of the ones that were there when I previously passed on 26th July had gone.

 

[3973EXL]

STP 03/08

Realtime Trains - FRGT 1301 Hornsey E.M.U.D. to Belmont Down Yard 5A23
Realtime Trains - FRGT 1740 Belmont Down Yard to Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail)

Realtime Trains - 053O 0730 Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings to Hornsey E.M.U.D. 0E54 37884

 

[The Prisoner]

Apologies if I have missed it - have scrolled back through the thread and can't see what is happening with these units in recent posts. Can see current journeys to Derby and Doncaster. What is the significance of each location?

 

[59CosG95]

Apologies if I have missed it - have scrolled back through the thread and can't see what is happening with these units in recent posts. Can see current journeys to Derby and Doncaster. What is the significance of each location?

The Derby journeys are typically light loco moves for stabling between 365 drags (and other jobs). Doncaster is where the units are being stored. All odd-numbered units (with the exception of 365525 at Longsight) are stored at Crewe South Yard. 4 even-numbered units (365512, 365528, 365530 & 365538) are stored at Ely Papworth. The remaining even-numbered 365s are stored at Belmont Down Yard (Doncaster), except long-scrapped 365526, and 365510; 365510 will join the Belmont-stored fleet today.

 

[XRAY]

365538 got moved yesterday to sit next to 365512

 

[The Prisoner]

The Derby journeys are typically light loco moves for stabling between 365 drags (and other jobs). Doncaster is where the units are being stored. All odd-numbered units (with the exception of 365525 at Longsight) are stored at Crewe South Yard. 4 even-numbered units (365512, 365528, 365530 & 365538) are stored at Ely Papworth. The remaining even-numbered 365s are stored at Belmont Down Yard (Doncaster), except long-scrapped 365526, and 365510; 365510 will join the Belmont-stored fleet today.

Thanks!!! Shame there doesn't seem to be an impending passenger use for these units, but the vogue does seem to be to order new ones now.

 

[A0wen]

Thanks!!! Shame there doesn't seem to be an impending passenger use for these units, but the vogue does seem to be to order new ones now.

One of the problems though is they are a smallish non-standard class. Had they been a follow on order of 321s or something like that so more standard, I suspect they would have found a home.

 

[DBS92042]

The Derby journeys are typically light loco moves for stabling between 365 drags (and other jobs). Doncaster is where the units are being stored. All odd-numbered units (with the exception of 365525 at Longsight) are stored at Crewe South Yard. 4 even-numbered units (365512, 365528, 365530 & 365538) are stored at Ely Papworth. The remaining even-numbered 365s are stored at Belmont Down Yard (Doncaster), except long-scrapped 365526, and 365510; 365510 will join the Belmont-stored fleet today.

Reported as 37800 + 365539

Realtime Trains - 595J 0909 Crewe South Yard to Belmont Down Yard

Realtime Trains is an independent source of live realtime running information for the Great British railway network.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[warwickshire]

Reported as 37800 + 365539

Realtime Trains - 595J 0909 Crewe South Yard to Belmont Down Yard

Realtime Trains is an independent source of live realtime running information for the Great British railway network.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Does anyone know why this move happened today.
Will the rest from crewe all transfer in due course to Doncaster belmont yard.?
Or was 365539 due to go to Doncaster Belmont yard anyway.
However 365539 was originally moved with 365511 from hornsey E.M.U.D Depot to crewe. Back on 07th April 2021.
However was or is 365539 meant to be in store at Doncaster Belmont yard anyway.
Many thanks.

 

[The_Train]

That's hell of a route they have to take to get from Crewe in the North West to Doncaster in Yorkshire - all the way via London

In other news, I noticed that 37884 was allocated to the now cancelled 5Q42 Longsight to Crewe South Yard this morning - was this going to be 525 heading back to Crewe?

 

[Strat-tastic]

I may be passing Crewe in a few weeks' time and still require 501, 505, & 513 for sight. Are they visible from the mainline?

 

[The_Train]

I may be passing Crewe in a few weeks' time and still require 501, 505, & 513 for sight. Are they visible from the mainline?

I'm not 100% sure where the South Yard is. Is it the sidings adjacent to the Coal Sidings used for the flasks?

 

[DanNCL]

In other news, I noticed that 37884 was allocated to the now cancelled 5Q42 Longsight to Crewe South Yard this morning - was this going to be 525 heading back to Crewe?

It was. 37884 made it to Longsight and coupled to 365525, but was unable to leave Longsight because of an air leak.

That's hell of a route they have to take to get from Crewe in the North West to Doncaster in Yorkshire - all the way via London

I assume 365s are not route cleared via Huddersfield, the Hope Valley or the Calder Valley.

 

[ScotRail158725]

I'm not 100% sure where the South Yard is. Is it the sidings adjacent to the Coal Sidings used for the flasks?

Its the one south of Crewe South Jn between the WCML and Basford Hall Freightliner yard

 

[Roger B]

Its the one south of Crewe South Jn between the WCML and Basford Hall Freightliner yard

You can see some from a train to Shrewsbury, on the left-hand side (forward facing), but they're pretty much completely hidden by trees from the WCML.

 

[greyman42]

I assume 365s are not route cleared via Huddersfield, the Hope Valley or the Calder Valley.

I assumed it went via London so that it could do the move on its own power?

 

[DanNCL]

I assumed it went via London so that it could do the move on its own power?

They were dragged by a loco from ROG.

 

[greyman42]

They were dragged by a loco from ROG.

What and where is ROG?

 

[swt_passenger]

What and where is ROG?

ROG = Rail Operations Group. Specialists in moving stock around the country.

 

[greyman42]

ROG = Rail Operations Group. Specialists in moving stock around the country.

Thanks. Could they have done the journey under their own power?

 

[59CosG95]

Thanks. Could they have done the journey under their own power?

Only between Peterborough & Belle Isle.

 

[greyman42]

Only between Peterborough & Belle Isle.

Please explain. What part of the route is not 25kv?