TPE Liverpool - Cleethorpes Timetable 2022

[Djgr]

More like 45 minutes…

New Brighton is 23. Meols, Hoylake, West Kirby few minutes longer, Wallasey Grove Road less. Crosby about 20.

However you look at it Liverpudlians do not go to Cleethorpes for the sea.

 

[childwallblues]

New Brighton is 23. Meols, Hoylake, West Kirby few minutes longer, Wallasey Grove Road less. Crosby about 20.

However you look at it Liverpudlians do not go to Cleethorpes for the sea.

A few of us have an annual visit to Cleethorpes for fish and chips.

 

[Ianno87]

A few of us have an annual visit to Cleethorpes for fish and chips.

Which you're doing anyway without a direct train?

 

[Jorge Da Silva]

I support the idea of a direct train from Cleethorpes to Liverpool as it also gives Sheffield an extra train to Liverpool.

 

[Glenn1969]

It's a way of providing a 2nd train Sheff to Manchester without it having to reverse at Piccadilly

 

[Ianno87]

I support the idea of a direct train from Cleethorpes to Liverpool as it also gives Sheffield an extra train to Liverpool.

Yes, that's the real benefit - 2tph between Liverpool and Sheffield instead of 1tph "everywhere to everywhere"

 

[Jorge Da Silva]

Yes, that's the real benefit - 2tph between Liverpool and Sheffield instead of 1tph "everywhere to everywhere"

And to me that makes sense as the EMR service is really busy sometimes and TPE running a service to Liverpool from Cleethorpes would help that plus it also adds to the idea of Liverpool to Nottingham being transferred to TPE

It's a way of providing a 2nd train Sheff to Manchester without it having to reverse at Piccadilly

I dont think its reversed at Piccadilly since the pandemic. Currently the Manchester to Cleethorpes service terminates at Piccadilly

 

[507020]

New Brighton is 23. Meols, Hoylake, West Kirby few minutes longer, Wallasey Grove Road less. Crosby about 20.

However you look at it Liverpudlians do not go to Cleethorpes for the sea.

Southport is more like 45 minutes. Ainsdale is 35 and Formby about 30.

Yes, that's the real benefit - 2tph between Liverpool and Sheffield instead of 1tph "everywhere to everywhere"

But would Sheffield rather have a connect to Manchester Airport than Cleethorpes?

And to me that makes sense as the EMR service is really busy sometimes and TPE running a service to Liverpool from Cleethorpes would help that plus it also adds to the idea of Liverpool to Nottingham being transferred to TPE

Is the reason they haven’t transferred it not something to do with Sprinters being able to use different timings on the Hope Valley line?

 

[Jorge Da Silva]

But would Sheffield rather have a connect to Manchester Airport than Cleethorpes?

Is the reason they haven’t transferred it not something to do with Sprinters being able to use different timings on the Hope Valley line?

But Sheffield needs another link to Liverpool as EMR gets busy. Plus the choice is never gonna be Cleethorpes or Manchester Airport as they are on opposite sides of the route?

Nope its because COVID delayed it and its now still to be split at Nottingham but stays with EMR.

 

[Ianno87]

But would Sheffield rather have a connect to Manchester Airport than Cleethorpes?

It still does have an Airport connection. Via an easy cross-platform change at Piccadilly 13/14.

 

[gazzaa2]

But Sheffield needs another link to Liverpool as EMR gets busy. Plus the choice is never gonna be Cleethorpes or Manchester Airport as they are on opposite sides of the route?

Nope its because COVID delayed it and its now still to be split at Nottingham but stays with EMR.

The EMR service is shocking. A busy hourly service connecting Liverpool-Manchester-Sheffield into East Mids and East Anglia and they put two carriages on half the time.

 

[Jorge Da Silva]

It still does have an Airport connection. Via an easy cross-platform change at Piccadilly 13/14.

Exactly and most changed at Piccadilly rather than go to the airport

The EMR service is shocking. A busy hourly service connecting Liverpool-Manchester-Sheffield into East Mids and East Anglia and they put two carriages on half the time.

I know its a joke. They could use the spare 185s to solve that problem (probably up to 6-coaches). The Cleethorpes to Manchester service if extended to Liverpool would help as for most of the time its 6-coaches

 

[Ianno87]

Exactly and most changed at Piccadilly rather than go to the airport

£5 says the number of people staying on the train at Piccadilly to go to Liverpool exceeds the number who ever stayed on at Piccadilly to go to the Airport.

 

[Jorge Da Silva]

£5 says the number of people staying on the train at Piccadilly to go to Liverpool exceeds the number who ever stayed on at Piccadilly to go to the Airport.

Definitely agree with that. Airport section when i used it once was very low. In fact most people were coming from/to the North West depending on the direction obviously.

 

[RHolmes]

Is the reason they haven’t transferred it not something to do with Sprinters being able to use different timings on the Hope Valley line?

No it’s purely a Covid related and TPE being physically unable to train traincrew in time for the changes (originally)

 

[Djgr]

Without going on about it to excess, the point is that you can SEE the beach from the centre of Liverpool, as this picture demonstrates!

 

[Glenn1969]

I still say it's a route born out of convenience because they want to provide 2tph Sheffield- Manchester fast without the reverse or taking up scarce space in the main train shed with an unnecessary terminator

 

[Jorge Da Silva]

I still say it's a route born out of convenience because they want to provide 2tph Sheffield- Manchester fast without the reverse or taking up scarce space in the main train shed with an unnecessary terminator

is that a bad thing?

I mean surely it’s a good idea as it takes up less paths out of Manchester Piccadilly and it’ll be much more useful than the Airport extension which was suspended during Covid anyway. It really is a good idea in my opinion I don’t get why you are complaining

 

[Glenn1969]

is that a bad thing?

I mean surely it’s a good idea as it takes up less paths out of Manchester Piccadilly and it’ll be much more useful than the Airport extension which was suspended during Covid anyway. It really is a good idea in my opinion I don’t get why you are complaining

It's the Mayor of Sheffield who is complaining about losing his link to the Airport. I live in Halifax- we were promised wires 30 years ago and are still waiting

 

[Jorge Da Silva]

It's the Mayor of Sheffield who is complaining about losing his link to the Airport. I live in Halifax- we were promised wires 30 years ago and are still waiting

I have to disagree with the mayor on this one. A good connection at Piccadilly would work just as well. An extra Liverpool service is far more useful.

 

[ChrisC]

I still say it's a route born out of convenience because they want to provide 2tph Sheffield- Manchester fast without the reverse or taking up scarce space in the main train shed with an unnecessary terminator

If that is the reason did it have to be Liverpool? A through train to Preston or even Blackpool North might have been useful to provide new through journey opportunities from Sheffield. I’ve often observed that that quite a number of people get off the EMR service at Manchester Piccadilly and remain on platform 14 for the Blackpool North train.

 

[Ianno87]

If that is the reason did it have to be Liverpool? .

Yes - the existing paths join up nicely without needing a significant recast.

 

[Jorge Da Silva]

Yes - the existing paths join up nicely without needing a significant recast.

If that is the reason did it have to be Liverpool? A through train to Preston or even Blackpool North might have been useful to provide new through journey opportunities from Sheffield. I’ve often observed that that quite a number of people get off the EMR service at Manchester Piccadilly and remain on platform 14 for the Blackpool North train.

Exactly what Ianno87 said. They just joined up two existing paths and they line up perfectly.

 

[Trainfan2019]

If that is the reason did it have to be Liverpool? A through train to Preston or even Blackpool North might have been useful to provide new through journey opportunities from Sheffield. I’ve often observed that that quite a number of people get off the EMR service at Manchester Piccadilly and remain on platform 14 for the Blackpool North train.

Blackpool used to be served direct from Sheffield but can't remember which route it was. Liverpool via Manchester does make sense for the route change though as likely more demand there.

 

[Starmill]

It's clearly not a proposal that results from market analysis. It's simply that the two diesel services happened to fit together. A service to Preston doesn't fit because it uses EMUs.

 

[Kite159]

I have to disagree with the mayor on this one. A good connection at Piccadilly would work just as well. An extra Liverpool service is far more useful.

To whom?

The trains will just sit at Piccadilly (hopelessly late) emptying out with passengers from Sheffield only to get replaced by new passengers then crawl towards Liverpool behind the stopper due to being hopelessly late.

The number of passengers doing Sheffield - Liverpool will be counted on one hand.

Just look at the current EMR services at the passenger change in Manchester. The Warrington Central line would be better served by a high frequency stopper service, rather than importing more delays

 

[Jorge Da Silva]

To whom?

The trains will just sit at Piccadilly (hopelessly late) emptying out with passengers from Sheffield only to get replaced by new passengers then crawl towards Liverpool behind the stopper due to being hopelessly late.

The number of passengers doing Sheffield - Liverpool will be counted on one hand.

Just look at the current EMR services at the passenger change in Manchester. The Warrington Central line would be better served by a high frequency stopper service, rather than importing more delays

The point is that it also relives congestion from the throat as it removes 2tph going to the Airport and EMR often is full plus i bet more people would use it then they do to the airport.

 

[bramling]

£5 says the number of people staying on the train at Piccadilly to go to Liverpool exceeds the number who ever stayed on at Piccadilly to go to the Airport.

A friend of mine in Cleethorpes isn’t happy, as they (pre Covid) used to use this service to the airport regularly - it was their usual means of going on holiday. He says this is common practice in that area.

But having said that I tend to agree that the potential for regular journeys to Liverpool outweighs a handful of irregular airport journeys.

 

[Jorge Da Silva]

A friend of mine in Cleethorpes isn’t happy, as they (pre Covid) used to use this service to the airport regularly - it was their usual means of going on holiday. He says this is common practice in that area.

But having said that I tend to agree that the potential for regular journeys to Liverpool outweighs a handful of irregular airport journeys.

Plus a good connection at Piccadilly between the airport and Piccadilly can replace the need for the airport extension

 

[bramling]

Plus a good connection at Piccadilly between the airport and Piccadilly can replace the need for the airport extension

That would be my view, however when I suggested this the response was “nah, that would be too much faffing around, and what it the connection got cancelled?”.

Illogical on a number of fronts, not least that there’s just as much chance of the Clee-Airport service being turned short, or even being cancelled outright.

What would perhaps be more of an issue is on the return journey having to board the Cleethorpes service at Piccadilly through platforms mid-journey, as opposed to boarding at origin, but people don’t seem to think about getting back from the airport, only getting *to* it!

For me I’d have it going to Liverpool, but then I don’t live in North-East Lincs and I don’t generally do foreign holidays…