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Quite possibly so. But this switch to UK from GB is, in my opinion, largely driven by the desire to replace the EU flag sticker with the Union Flag, rather than the stated "strengthening the Union identity".
That had already happened at the start of this year - the old-style "GB" oval stickers remained valid, but the on-plate markings changed from the EU stars to the Union Flag. Switching now to "UK" invalidates all of that, and is entirely political.

Do not some of our Gallic neighbours refer to this country as Royaume-Uni?
And a different group of neighbours use the phrase Vereinigte Königreich, but I fail to see how either is relevant.
 
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Really it should have been UK all along, because GB excludes Northern Ireland, unless at one time NI couldn't use the GB plate because of their different registration system?
 

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More Brexit-related insanity from our Government:



This is nowt to do with Brexit. It appears to me to be a political gesture by the Westminster administration to emphasize that the country is officially the UK, and includes the 6 counties.

People in Scotland should have been well aware of the consequences of rejecting independence in 2014, as illustrated by the attached prescient cartoon entitled "Safer Together", published in early September 2014 on the Wings over Scotland website.
 

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And a different group of neighbours use the phrase Vereinigte Königreich, but I fail to see how either is relevant.
Perhaps if you were to add the letter "s" to the end of the first emboldened word above and then translate both that and the French word in my posting, you would see the phrase United Kingdom which carries the initials UK (a matter being discussed in this thread) and that is the relevance you appear to fail to see.
 

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This is nowt to do with Brexit. It appears to me to be a political gesture by the Westminster administration to emphasize that the country is officially the UK, and includes the 6 counties.
You're correct it's a political gesture, but it definitely is due to the Brexit mindset of our current administration. If it was truly about concern over strengthening NI identity within the union, they aren't doing a good job of making NI feel like an equal part of the Union:

Flags, symbols and identifiers​

You can display one of the following flags with identifying letters on the left-hand side of the number plate:
  • Union flag (also known as the Union Jack)
  • Cross of St George
  • Cross of St Andrew - also known as the Saltire
  • Red Dragon of Wales
The letters, or national identifiers, you can have are:
  • UNITED KINGDOM, United Kingdom or UK
  • GREAT BRITAIN, Great Britain or GB
  • CYMRU, Cymru, CYM or Cym
  • ENGLAND, England, ENG, Eng
  • SCOTLAND, Scotland, SCO or Sco
  • WALES or Wales
The flag must be above the identifier. You cannot have the flag or letters on the number plate margin, and neither can be more than 50 millimetres wide
 

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Perhaps if you were to add the letter "s" to the end of the first emboldened word above and then translate both that and the French word in my posting, you would see the phrase United Kingdom which carries the initials UK (a matter being discussed in this thread) and that is the relevance you appear to fail to see.
I still cannot see any direct connection between the phrases used in foreign languages to describe this country and the words we use in our own language. Using "GB" rather than "UK" on number plates and in numerous other areas is something that's happened for a great many years now.

Regardless, this has its own thread:
 

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Really it should have been UK all along, because GB excludes Northern Ireland, unless at one time NI couldn't use the GB plate because of their different registration system?
I suspect Northern Ireland was possibly left in the “too difficult file” due to those who would strongly resist having either a GB or UK badge or sticker…

I wonder what happens to the IOM and Channel Islands in the new scheme?
 

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I suspect Northern Ireland was ppossibly left in the “too difficult file” due to those who would strongly resist having either a GB or UK badge or sticker…

I wonder what happens to the IOM and Channel Islands in the new scheme?
They aren't part of GB or UK, so they won't be affected.
 

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I suspect Northern Ireland was possibly left in the “too difficult file” due to those who would strongly resist having either a GB or UK badge or sticker…

I wonder what happens to the IOM and Channel Islands in the new scheme?

They aren't part of GB or UK, so they won't be affected.

So they will still be GBJ, GBG, GBA and GBM, which no longer fit the pattern of (British identifier) + letter for island. Gibraltar also presumably stays GBZ.
 

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So 'GB' will live on as part of GBM, GBG, and GBJ.
They are Crown dependencies, Not part of GB or the UK, I have no idea what they will put on their cars. As I said up thread, it's good to see the government concentrating on the things that matter.
 

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Which is a odd one in itself - the country codes for websites are based on the ISO 3166 standard for two letter country codes, where our code is actually GB.


Our three letter code is GBR, there's no equivalent reserved involving UK.
 

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Which is a odd one in itself - the country codes for websites are based on the ISO 3166 standard for two letter country codes, where our code is actually GB.


Our three letter code is GBR, there's no equivalent reserved involving UK.
As it says in the linked document, uk is 'exceptionally reserved'. Basically, there were computer networks and naming conventions before the Internet, ISO-3166, and DNS. The country code in use was uk. If you believe Wikipedia, following the introduction of ISO-3166, everything uk was supposed to change to gb, but it never happened.
 

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So it turns out foreign investment is rushing into the UK post-Brexit, but in the form of private equity firms from the US who will likely asset strip the likes of Morrisons:


A US private equity group is poised to take control of the UK's fourth-largest supermarket group.
Clayton, Dubilier & Rice (CD&R) has won an auction for the British supermarket Morrisons with a £7bn ($9.5bn) bid.
It marks a return to the UK grocery sector for Terry Leahy, the former chief executive of Tesco, who is a senior adviser to CD&R.
The takeover saga has dragged on since June amid fierce competition from two US-based investment groups.
CD&R's victory was announced by the stock market's Takeover Panel on Saturday. The private equity group offered 287p per Morrisons ordinary share, against a rival bid from Fortress, for 286p per share.
CD&R's auction offer is slightly higher than the 285p-a-share offer that was recommended by Morrisons' board in August. In July, Morrisons turned down an offer worth £5.5bn from CD&R, saying it significantly undervalued the business.
The board, which will meet on Saturday, is now expected to recommend shareholders accept the new offer at a meeting set for 19 October.
If the bid is approved by shareholders, CD&R will take over Morrisons by November.
The type of behaviour here really should be illegal IMO.
 

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As predicted, the visas until Christmas Eve scheme has been extended:
Boris Johnson’s government has made a dramatic U-turn in an attempt to save Christmas – with a raft of extended emergency visas to help abate labour shortages that have led to empty shelves and petrol station queues.

New immigration measures will allow 300 fuel drivers to arrive immediately and stay until the end of March, while 100 army drivers will take to the roads from Monday, the government announced late on Friday.

I don't think anyone is surprised by that one, nor should anybody be surprised when March turn into September.
 

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This petrol panic is media induced. In my area the local Sainsbury last weekend had panic buying running out on Sunday but this weekend everybody had filled up so there were no queues as they haven't used all the petrol bought. The most telling thing re shortages was the price stayed the same £1.31 a litre throughout.

More difficult to buy a bottle of Shandy over the last three weeks. Coca Cola have cornered the co2 market as they did two years ago when co2 was short.
 

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This petrol panic is media induced. In my area the local Sainsbury last weekend had panic buying running out on Sunday but this weekend everybody had filled up so there were no queues as they haven't used all the petrol bought. The most telling thing re shortages was the price stayed the same £1.31 a litre throughout.

More difficult to buy a bottle of Shandy over the last three weeks. Coca Cola have cornered the co2 market as they did two years ago when co2 was short.
That maybe true to an extent, but Johnson u-turning on visas and now extending the offer length (regardless of how many actually take up this offer), implies that either there's more than meets the eye, and/or he's taking the wrong action for the ongoing problem. Either way, he needs holding to account somewhere.
 

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That maybe true to an extent, but Johnson u-turning on visas and now extending the offer length (regardless of how many actually take up this offer), implies that either there's more than meets the eye, and/or he's taking the wrong action for the ongoing problem. Either way, he needs holding to account somewhere.
When will Johnson ever be taken to account?
 

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This petrol panic is media induced
Every panic is media induced - by definition. There can't be a panic about a problem that people don't know about.

However the problem of not having enough drivers to deliver the fuel is real. Think about how the "panic" started: a major supplier saying that they would have to close some sites because they couldn't get deliveries.

The most telling thing re shortages was the price stayed the same £1.31 a litre throughout.
Because there isn't a shortage - there is plenty of fuel. It just isn't where it needs to be.
 

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When there’s a viable opposition, which seems a very long way away. Possibly two election cycles.
That's if Johnson specifically is still in post when the Tories are out of Government, his own party might force him out before then, he may also decide to jump ship, either because he's doing a David Cameron and running from his own mess, and/or because he desires the post-politics gravy train.

I would also add there should be more opposition than just HM Opposition, really the media collectively should be holding the Government to account. But they're not, either because a particular outlet has vested interests in the governing party, and/or "spectacle, not substance" is more profitable, which leads to more focus on celebrity gossip and sensationalising news, including Covid, shortages, etc.
 

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The most telling thing re shortages was the price stayed the same £1.31 a litre throughout.
Until it didn't...
A petrol station charging close to double the average price for fuel has sold out as shortages continue to cause chaos for motorists.

Cloisters Gulf Petrol station in Sloane Avenue, Chelsea is selling fuel for £2.68 per litre.
 

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The ‘ardent Eurosceptics’ post 1975 were largely the left of the Labour Party eg Tony Benn, Michael Foot in the 1983 manifesto. Their support for exit was to allow the UK to follow their dream of a socialist utopia which the EC/EU wouldn’t allow. Plenty of left wing voters supported Brexit too.
Brexit/EU membership is something of a horseshoe rather than a straight line. The far left and far right are most pro-Brexit. The soft left and soft right tend to be mildly pro-Europe or in a few cases mildly pro-Brexit, while the centrist Social/Liberal Democrats are the most ardent pro-Europe.
 
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I’m hearing (or, more accurately, reading) a lot in the online world about how people need to stop ‘banging on’ about Brexit and just ‘move on’

Fair enough, some commentators are a bit relentless and get a bit annoying, but I think it’s unlikely people are going to stop banging on about it anytime soon.

Firstly, it’s hard for some to ‘just move on’ when it is having a direct impact on their lives, particularly in certain industries.

Secondly, you could argue people could ‘move on’ from a lot of things. The current government, climate change, Covid and so on. But I don’t think we should try and shut down debate just because we don’t like to hear it (unless it is abusive of course)
 
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I’m hearing (or, more accurately, reading) a lot in the online world about how people need to stop ‘banging on’ about Brexit and just ‘move on’

Fair enough, some commentators are a bit relentless and get a bit annoying, but I think it’s unlikely people are going to stop banging on about it anytime soon.
Even assuming that we never rejoin the EU or SM/CU, the effects of Brexit are going to be felt for a least a decade, so it'll be at least that long before we "get over it". Look at how the 1966 World Cup gets mentioned every four years!
 

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