I think that quite misrepresents the view. Some of us here have been successful outside the railway bubble, and look on and see an employment situation that just isn't working, hence how starting again seems the relevant way to go. This is how it would be elsewhere - more often with the company with poor service going out of business as a result, and the jobs ending anyway. Think British Leyland. The railway, after Covid, has lost a lot of custom anyway to cars, that will be either hard to win back or has gone for ever. So do we see every effort to attract back passengers? No, the opposite.
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LoogaBarooga
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Strike off is what I'm hearing.
It's official now
It's official now
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TrolleyDolly
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So the same deal as Scotrail offered before, but without changes to terms and conditions? I suppose that’s a compromise between the two parties.
Edit: Never mind- Just received this email
A one year pay deal comprising of a 2.5 per cent pay increase backdated to 01 April 2021.
• A payment of £300 to all staff ensuring COP26 is fully supported (separate agreement with full details on commitments is to be signed)
• A 3hour book on allowance applied to each rest day worked, applicable for 12 months from the date of this agreement
Edit: Never mind- Just received this email
A one year pay deal comprising of a 2.5 per cent pay increase backdated to 01 April 2021.
• A payment of £300 to all staff ensuring COP26 is fully supported (separate agreement with full details on commitments is to be signed)
• A 3hour book on allowance applied to each rest day worked, applicable for 12 months from the date of this agreement
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Glasgow Times is reporting the strike is off:
www.glasgowtimes.co.uk
Last-minute pay deal agreed to stop rail strike action during COP26
It's understood a one-year 2.5 deal has been agreed between the RMT, rail chiefs, and the Scottish Government.
LoogaBarooga
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• A one year pay deal comprising of a 2.5 per cent pay increase backdated to 01 April 2021.
• A payment of £300 to all staff ensuring COP26 is fully supported (separate agreement with full details on commitments is to be signed)
• A 3hour book on allowance applied to each rest day worked, applicable for 12 months from the date of this agreement
• A payment of £300 to all staff ensuring COP26 is fully supported (separate agreement with full details on commitments is to be signed)
• A 3hour book on allowance applied to each rest day worked, applicable for 12 months from the date of this agreement
Scotrail314209
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If they have been called off, then all I can say is thank goodness for that.
TrolleyDolly
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I think it’s a good result
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Strathclyder
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Good that a agreement/deal has finally been reached/agreed upon. Farcical that it took this long.
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bluesfromagun
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I think the offer RMT accepted, whilst decent, shows how little they really wanted.
Transport Scotland, and Abellio to a lesser extent, are completely inept.
Transport Scotland, and Abellio to a lesser extent, are completely inept.
DanNCL
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Yes, and the overtime ban which has been causing shortages during the week has ended too.
PG
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and guess who's running the show in less than 6 months time...
dk1
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Glad everybody has reached a mutual agreement. Good news indeed. Onwards & upwards.
Dansomedan
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The original offer was a 2 year deal
Year 1 - 2.5% with conditions attached
Year 2 - 2.2%
Deal voted down twice
Next offer
Year 1 - 2.5% with conditions attached
Year 2 - 2.2%
+ 3hr Restday working payment
Tonight deal
1 year offer - 2.5% + 3hr Restday working payment no conditions attached
Deal accepted straight away
It was never about the money.
Year 1 - 2.5% with conditions attached
Year 2 - 2.2%
Deal voted down twice
Next offer
Year 1 - 2.5% with conditions attached
Year 2 - 2.2%
+ 3hr Restday working payment
Tonight deal
1 year offer - 2.5% + 3hr Restday working payment no conditions attached
Deal accepted straight away
It was never about the money.
funnily enough, I’ve noticed over the last few days that some units have had the “operated by Abellio” stickers removed from the doors, so obviously even they don’t want to be associated with the mess the TOC is in any more. Unfortunately no-one cleaned off the crud underneath so there’s a perfect impression of the sticker in dirt on the silver of each door panel.
MadCommuter
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I've also seen reports of a £300 payment during COP. What is that for? (Genuine question, are there additional services being provided, longer hours, etc?)
dk1
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Many TOCS offer traincrew similar deals. The 2012 Olympics being a good example. It was payable to staff for 100% attendance at the completion of the event. Bonus payments where also available for agreeing to overtime or being flexible with shift movement.
To bolster the numbers taking up RDW. It's more to ensure that there's a decent incentive there so that a higher % are likely to come in, reducing the number of cancellations which obviously wouldn't look great for Scotrail / Transport Scotland / Abellio / the UK government.
Glad to see it resolved. I'm sure some issues will continue to rumble along but in the short-term, it shows there was an agreement to be made which doesn't break the bank.
Scotrail's troubles may be resolved - for now - but the Scottish government's concession lays the groundwork for industrial action across other TOCs, with pay claims being made and some inevitably ending up in a dispute.
Yes, as was always the case, sadly it took months of action.
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It seems you called it exactly right!
Indeed. Seems like a fair result. Good news all round I’d say! And certainly shows up the nonsense written this thread about how the union didn’t have a hope in hell of getting anywhere.
Nicholas Lewis
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As long as all the rest of the staff are rostered to come in or prepared to work their rest days at short notice
GRALISTAIR
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Exactly what I fear
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As soon as COP26 is done and dusted, the unions and Transport Scotland need to get around the table and start serious negotiations of what comes next - particularly the RMT as the conductor / TE deal is short term to the end of the franchise.
The issues ducked for the whole of ScotRails time in the private sector such as making the railways formally a seven day a week railway need to be grasped so we’re not back here in this sh*tshow level of industrial relations repeatedly.
However, I do think there needs to be a wholesale discussion about the role of onboard staff in the medium term.
Given what Scot Gov says it wants to achieve with decarbonisation and modal shift, carrying on as its always been doesn’t seem to be an option. The railway must be more resilient, dependable and attractive to travellers. That’s requiring a mix of better onboard ambience and facilities, more capacity (not less), higher (not lower) frequency.
The rise of at least part time Working from Home can be as much an opportunity as a threat, make it as easy to work on the train as home. Less time in the office might actually have a positive outcome for business travel demand vs decline of regular commuting.
Pre Covid longer distance ScotRail services and in particular the Inter7City services should have had 3 members of staff. You can have a second or even third safety critical staff onboard without necessarily having an unchanged traditional guards role. A closed buffet on the HSTs for example is not enhanced onboard facilities… they should be open throughout with either a trolley or at seat ordering and delivery option.
Ultimately better pay and conditions can come from a successful and expanding railway going forwards as a major part of the solution to transport challenges in what needs to be a changing world post COP26. Surely far better to be part of that, than to be left as an archaic irrelevance in terminal decline which is where it felt ScotRail might have been heading had the strikes happened.
The issues ducked for the whole of ScotRails time in the private sector such as making the railways formally a seven day a week railway need to be grasped so we’re not back here in this sh*tshow level of industrial relations repeatedly.
However, I do think there needs to be a wholesale discussion about the role of onboard staff in the medium term.
Given what Scot Gov says it wants to achieve with decarbonisation and modal shift, carrying on as its always been doesn’t seem to be an option. The railway must be more resilient, dependable and attractive to travellers. That’s requiring a mix of better onboard ambience and facilities, more capacity (not less), higher (not lower) frequency.
The rise of at least part time Working from Home can be as much an opportunity as a threat, make it as easy to work on the train as home. Less time in the office might actually have a positive outcome for business travel demand vs decline of regular commuting.
Pre Covid longer distance ScotRail services and in particular the Inter7City services should have had 3 members of staff. You can have a second or even third safety critical staff onboard without necessarily having an unchanged traditional guards role. A closed buffet on the HSTs for example is not enhanced onboard facilities… they should be open throughout with either a trolley or at seat ordering and delivery option.
Ultimately better pay and conditions can come from a successful and expanding railway going forwards as a major part of the solution to transport challenges in what needs to be a changing world post COP26. Surely far better to be part of that, than to be left as an archaic irrelevance in terminal decline which is where it felt ScotRail might have been heading had the strikes happened.
To make the railway network more efficient when it comes to staffing there's 3 things that could easily be done to fix most of the issues:
Make Sunday part of the working week
Have incentives for working the busiest periods of the year regarding overtime and rest days
Regular communication between unions and Transport Scotland so that farces like the one we've just seen can't happen.
Make Sunday part of the working week
Have incentives for working the busiest periods of the year regarding overtime and rest days
Regular communication between unions and Transport Scotland so that farces like the one we've just seen can't happen.
I agree in part, but we shouldn’t be in a situation where we are relying on goodwill, 12 hours, RDW etc to cover the job for such things.
And I’m speaking as someone that is labelled as a ‘grabber’
In most other industries I think relying on goodwill is easier to avoid but unless the rail industry gets with the times it's something that might be needed for a few years yet
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