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Last Saturday and another outing. Decided that I would finally ride the Greenline 724 route. But I wanted to make a day of it and explore new areas.

I thought Colchester would be a good place to start using the Arriva network and working my way West. On closer inspection the Arriva routes from Colchester are mostly town routes and the connection to Braintree/Chelmsford is by First which I can do another time with a First day ticket. Today I was using the Herts and Essex day ticket.

I took the train from London Liverpool St to Braintree, changing at Chelmsford to sample the new Class 745s. The Braintree branch was new bit of line so good to tick that off. At Braintree it was only a short walk to the bus station.

Arriva Bus 133 Braintree to Stansted Airport 09 plate E200

The 133 was a pleasant run out on minor roads to the west of Braintree, we picked up a few airport workers. This route is not marketed as an airport route. I took a short break at Stansted Airport, there was a few national express routes from here.

Arriva bus 510 (I think) Stansted Airport to Harlow E200MMC

This route ran via Bishops Stortford and what I believe is the old A11. Harlow looked like a new town and new place for me. The window on the bus was a bit loose next to my seat.

Arriva bus 724 Harlow to Heathrow E200MMC

Wanted to do the 724 for a long time, Greenline only in name now. I considered getting off on the way but decided to do the whole hog! First section was a fast jaunt on the A414 to Hertford and after that was on slower roads. Did see one very rude passenger who got on at Hertford and forced another passenger out of the emergency exit seat, she didn't want to sit anywhere else. The bus was busy until Watford and after Uxbridge it was just me another passenger. I think my day ticket was not valid to the airport though. I took the bus to Hounslow and tube back to Heathrow where I took the National Express back home. View attachment 113144


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An interesting day out. See you witnessed some of the venerable ALXs still going with First Essex in Braintree's new bus station. They won't be around much longer.

You were also (un)lucky to get an elderly e200 on the 133; it's a tendered route (I think) and is usually operated by Streetlites. As for Harlow, it is a new town but one of the most depressing.
 
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An interesting day out. See you witnessed some of the venerable ALXs still going with First Essex in Braintree's new bus station. They won't be around much longer.

You were also (un)lucky to get an elderly e200 on the 133; it's a tendered route (I think) and is usually operated by Streetlites. As for Harlow, it is a new town but one of the most depressing.
Yes, I hope to get back to Essex soon to do some of the First network. I prefer an E200 to a streetlite.
 

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Trawling my Crosville achive again, and I'm going to take you back 46 years to 1976. Now, normally, I try to do these reports with a sort of 'On This Day ...' theme, but I'm away tomorrow, so I hope you'll forgive me posting this one day early. So, imagine it's Tuesday 20 April 1976 - which, like "today" this year, happened to be the day after Easter Monday.

Living in Meols (Wirral), within sight and sound of the station, and the regular class 503 EMUs that I was brought up with and probably fired up my transport interests, I set my alarm clock for 6:30, and after breakfast and a teenage 'grunt' to Mum & Dad, I walked past the station to the Railway Inn to await my first ride - not just of the day, but of a weekly Crosville Explorer ticket.

0725 C23 Meols, Railway Inn - Chester ENL847 - NFM847M - Leyland National (dp)

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Crosville ENL847 - NFM847M - Chester, Delamere Street Bus Station, taken with my new telephoto lens!

An on-time arrival meant that I only had a few minutes to wait for my next trip - along the North Wales coast to Rhyl on ...

0840 A2 Chester - Rhyl DFG175 - DFM211C - ECW bodied Bristol FS6G

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Crosville DFG175 - DFM211C - in one of the two 'arrival bays' at Rhyl Bus Station. Clearly the twin 21st century evils of 'Health' and 'Safety' had not yet arrived in this part of the world!

Again, only a few minutes here to make the scheduled connection onto a similar looking, but different sounding, machine - the one from which the flat-capped, pipe-smoking gentleman had just alighted in the picture above - Bristol engined:

1039 M13 Rhyl - Llandudno Junction Depot DFB214 - JFM214D - ECW bodied Bristol FS6B

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Crosville DFB214 - JFM214D - also in Rhyl Bus Station. An elderly ECW bodied Bristol MW6G (which will feature later) is to the right of the picture, and a Pennine bodied Seddon RU on the seasonal service to Pines Caravan Park is to the left.

A cracking run, this, along the North Wales coast, through Abergele, up Llandulas hill, and then down to the prom firstly in Rhos-on-Sea, and then a longer stretch at Llandudno, before continuing (in service) to Llandudno Junction depot (despite the destination only showing 'Llandudno').

Time for a mooch round the depot - not that there was much in - and then outside, and up onto the flyover, where I was delighted to encounter brand new:

1221 M19 Llandudno Jct - Llanrwst SLL628 - OCA628P - ECW bodied Bristol LH6L

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Pristine Crosville SLL628 - OCA628P - approaches the stop in the lay-by on the flyover outside Crosville's Llandudno Junction depot.

This may have been the vehicle's first day in service. Certainly I'd seen it newly-delivered in Crosville's central works (Sealand Road, Chester) the previous week, and internal documents advise that this, and my next vehicle, sister SLL626, were only released to Llandudno Junction on the Maundy Thursday.

The Llanrwst area was always one of my favourite parts of Crosville operations - very sparse, other than this roughly-hourly M19/M20 along the western side of the Conwy Valley, but with some very scenic - mainly Market & Fair Day only - services on the edge of Snowdonia. Next up on this glorious, sunny afternoon - one of those 'occasional' services, the Market & Fair Day only M4 to Gwytherin, in the hands of an equally virginal:

1325 M4 Llanrwst - Gwytherin (and return) SLL626 - OCA626P - ECW bodied Bristol LH6L

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Crosville SLL626 - OCA626P - poses for the camera on the stone bridge in Pandy Twdwr, on its return from Gwytherin.

... followed by another, with the same bus and driver:

1425 M96 Llanrwst - Nebo (and return) SLL626 - OCA626P - ECW bodied Bristol LH6L

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Crosville SLL626 - OCA626P - having reversed into the terminus at Nebo.

So, there's two of the Market Day services 'ticked off', with brand new stock. Next up, the thrice (from memory) daily run up the valley to Cwm Penmachno. NOT a new LH this time, but a much older vehicle - indeed, the elderly MW ex-coach we've already glimpsed in Rhyl Bus station this morning:

1520 M3 Llanrwst - Cwm Penmachno (and return) EMG486 - 2193FM - ECW bodied Bristol MW6G (ex coach)

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Crosville EMG486 - 2193FM - at the Cwm Penmachno terminus. Bonus point for the 'Harry Potter' fans in the form of a Ford Anglia, extreme left of shot.

Time now to head home, but I've always been averse to simple 'out and back' days, so to insert some variety, I chose the route over the hills from Llanrwst to Rhyl via Llanfair Talhaiarn, being operated on this day by a bus we've already sampled today:

1710 M1 Llanrwst - Abergele and Pensarn Station SLL626 - OCA626P - ECW bodied Bristol LH6L

... where I alighted to await:

1816 M13 Abergele & Pensarn Station - Rhyl DFG191 - GFM191C - ECW bodied Bristol FS6G

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Crosville DFG191 - GFM191C - approaching the stop outside Abergele and Pensarn railway Station. Clearly I still had a lot to learn about photographing into the sun, but hey, I was only just 18!

As earlier in the day, the M13 (Llandudno - Rhyl) had a timetabled connection into an A1/A2 (Rhyl - Chester) service, so for me it was a quick change of bus at Rhyl Bus Station, to continue my journey on something of a 'celebrity' vehicle:

1837 A1 Rhyl - Holywell DFG238 - JFM238D - ECW bodied Bristol FS6G

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Crosville DFG238 - JFM238D - by many accounts, the last rear-entrance vehicle to be built by ECW - at Holywell Bus Station.

This vehicle in now preserved. If you enter the registration number into the search engine of your choice, you will find lots of images. On the question of whether this was 'the last rear entrance ECW bus', I recently contributed the following to an email trail on the subject:

In terms of whether DFG238 was the last or not, it was certainly the one with the highest Chassis Number (230.071) Chassis series 231.xxx, 232.xxx, 233.xxx etc and above were FLFs, MWs, REs, and even the late pair of SUL4As for United Counties (reg HRP303D / JNV304D).

It was not, though, the highest numbered ECW body for a rear-entrance 'decker. DFG238 had (has) ECW body 15415. ECW bodies 15416 to 15474 were on a mix of FS5Gs for Lincolnshire, FS6Bs and FS6Gs for United Counties, and FS6Bs for West Yorkshire (including their Keighley and York sub-fleets). Numerically the last rear entrance body for a new vehicle - 15474 - was on NWU266D with Keighley-West Yorkshire as their KDX227, which had chassis 230.052.

Don't forget, though, that it was at this time that Crosville's DLG797's original body was damaged beyond repair. ECW's rebody for this vehicle was numbered 16054 - so that's another contender, depending on exactly how the question is asked!



Back to my report, and alighting in Holywell gave me time for a portion of chips before heading back to The Wirral by a different, and infrequent, route:

1955 F8 Holywell - Birkenhead Woodside SNL888 - RFM888M - Leyland National

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Crosville SNL888 - RFM888M - at Holywell Bus Station.

This just nicely got me to Birkenhead in time to go home on 'The Bingo Bus' - a once a day extension of the regular West Kirby - Birkenhead (Park Station) F37/38 - which operated to Birkenhead Essoldo (roughly where Birkenhead Bus Station is now situated), to take me home.

2135 F38 Birkenhead, Essoldo - Meols, Railway Inn SRG112 - AFM112G - ECW bodied Bristol RELL6G


All in all, a very enjoyable way to start my week's Crosville spotting. I'll report on some more days from this week-long adventure in a few days.

Hope you've enjoyed the memories.
 
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Last Thursday saw me visit a different county for a day trip, this time Worcestershire. They have a County Connecta ticket which costs £8 for the day and is valid on any bus within the county all day, and can be purchased on any bus. I thought I would see how many different operators I could travel on on the same day.

There is a caveat to the "use any bus" which is that they are not valid if they "only enter the County for a very short distance, or are coach services". There is obviously no problem avoiding coach services, but what is defined as a very short distance? I'm sure we would all agree that National Express West Midlands serving three bus stops in Rubery because the boundary happens to be on the other side of the road is exactly the sort of service this exclusion is designed to encompass, but what else? So I emailed Worcestershire County Council for a definitive list of excluded services. They replied saying one does not exist. I therefore decided to avoid some fringe cases where I couldn't be sure the pass was valid, and planned my day accordingly. I therefore started at Kidderminster Bus Station on (possibly) the area's favourite local bus operator:

Wyre Forest Dial a Ride 7A - 0945 Bus Station to Bus Station via Offmore Road - WX56 PFJ Mercedes

This 11 minute scheduled run is one of the shortest you'll find, and is the epitome of "Granny bus", except nobody boarded for the whole journey so I may be being unfair. The driver was certainly surprised to see me, and nearly didn't pull onto the stand after laying over in the centre of the bus station for a fair while. Despite a modern looking ticket machine, she apparently didn't have the tech to issue me the ticket I desired, and although she tried to sell me a return, when I said I was just riding around and coming straight back, she let me travel for free. The bus interior was typical social services, but adequate for the journey.

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Finesse Coaches 133 - 1020 Kidderminster to Chaddesley Corbett - VX05 BVS Mercedes 413CDI

The next vehicle was the sort of thing I didn't realise you could still travel on with a normal bus service - a minibus with a manual door, and a bespoke step which the driver put out to assist with boarding, resplendent with coach seating. Apparently it used to belong to Newbury Coaches (of Ledbury?). I was less surprised at the lack of ticket machine, and therefore this driver was also unable to issue me my pass, but didn't hesitate to say I could travel and buy it on the next bus. She was obviously the regular driver, and my two fellow passengers were also obviously regular passengers, who spent the time I was on the bus discussing the strength of different barley wines. A very nice run, and I left the bus at the Talbot Inn for it to continue to Droitwich. The village is very pretty with various timber buildings and a lovely church, but I sadly had not time to sightsee as I had another bus along soon.

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Diamond 52 - 1047 Chaddesley Corbett Turn to Bromsgrove - 32222 SN68 AJH Wright Streetlite DF

The pavement on the main road is very narrow, and it was not enjoyable waiting those few minutes with heavy lorries going past, albeit "only" at 30mph. The bus when it did come was very nice though (even if off route from the 125), although one of the fake leather cushions had been replaced with a standard moquette one! We made excellent time until we got to Bromsgrove, where roadworks on the road by the bus station were causing issues. We arrived one minute late at 1100.

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This is where my plan failed to stay on track. I was due to catch the 1100 90 to the old Barnsley Hall Hospital with MRD. It was not in the bus station, and I bumped into an old friend of mine out for the day getting a last run on the 144 into Birmingham, who confirmed that it had not appeared at all yet. I waited for it, and it never showed. My plan B was to catch the 1110 99 to Charford, but I didn't see that either. I did see quite a few Diamond vehicles though, including the 183 arriving from Redditch the scenic way with a couple on board, and the DRT minibus. Eventually at about 1120 I did see this:

Clearway of Catshill 99 - 1130 Bus Station to Bromsgrove School via Charford - SO58 BXK Iveco

An unusual vehicle with a retracting lower step arrived on Stand 4, and I guessed (correctly) that it was the 99. He arrived with passengers on, so I don't know how I missed seeing the 1110. There was one other passenger, who indicated the service to the estate was very sporadic. Once the driver twigged what the pass was he accepted it with no issues, although he looked a little disappointed. Another bus with no ticket machine, and the driver had to open his own offside door a little to access his cash tray/box on the floor when he needed change. While we were waiting to start, I did see an Enviro 200 from Kev's arrive on the 318, which was the bus I should have caught back from Barnsley Hall if MRD had turned up (they never did, and I didn't see their 1130 bus either). A spirited run around Charford was very enjoyable, and I even caught sight of a Barbie-branded First bus stop at one point even though it's been a few years since they served Charford, and the other stops seemed to all be County Council ones. I alighted on the main road heading into Bromsgrove to avoid the roadworks.

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First Worcestershire 144 - 1137 Bromsgrove School to Worcester Foregate Street - 69456 WX59 BZK B7RLE Eclipse

The roadworks enabled me to catch a late running 144 from Birmingham. This is a Salt Road branded vehicle, and was also very nice inside albeit quite hot with the heating. It was also the busiest bus of the day by far. The weather turned nasty whilst I was on board, but it had rained itself out by the time we got to Worcester. I liked the route branding, but the font on the bus stops was very narrow, and must be hard to see in poor light.

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Johnsons of Henley 150 - ???? Sansome Street to Shrub Hill Road

Another break in the plan occurred here. The timetable online in journey planners, and on the bus stop shelter, suggested there should be a 150 at 1245 from the Bus Station. Johnson's website showed a new timetable starting 24th April with the time revised to 1300, which matched the real time display. Looking today, there is a note that either wasn't there last week, or was not obvious on my phone to show a temporary timetable from the 11th April, but the pdf still says it starts on the 24th. I had planned for it being 1245, but it did turn up shortly after 1300. This was annoying as it meant I missed out travelling with Astons before my next trip. The bus was very nice, as you would expect from Johnson's, but I only went a couple of stops so I could walk back to the bus station for my next trip.

LMS Travel 423 - 1325 Bus Station to Comer Road - Y353 HMY Pointer Dart

Two people joined me for the late departing 423 towards Alfrick. This bus had a sticker in the window saying they accepted Connecta, which I thought was good. Whoever did the destination screens thought it would be a good idea to show the origin as well though, so the top line said "Worcester to Alfrick", rather than just "Alfrick". This meant the writing was unnecessarily narrow. I've never seen that anywhere else in the UK, and I hope not to see it again! The seating was uncomfortable. I was planning to get off opposite the library, but the driver went past the stop and dropped me at the next one. This, combined with starting late anyway, meant I missed my next bus, which was to have been DRM 420. The tracking of this vehicle was awful, as it updated much less often than any other bus I have seen, jumping from Crown East to Bull Ring in one go. I never ended up even seeing the bus.

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First Worcestershire 44 - Bull Ring to Bus Station

I therefore caught this Streetdeck back into town.

In order to try and fit some more operators in in the time I had available, I caught the train from Worcester Foregate Street to Evesham. At the risk of annoying the mods by talking trains in the bus section of the forum, two things struck me:
1: Those Hitachi seats really are uncomfortable. I was fed up of it before we even left the platform.
2: The railways are still very poor at communicating delays they know are going to happen. In this instance, the train I caught left Worcester Foregate Street on time, but we then had to sit at Shrub Hill for over 20 minutes waiting for train crew off a delayed northbound. This will have been known about by the Control room, but was not indicated in the online systems, and the train just got later minute by minute.

This delay affected my next trip, as I was hoping to catch the NN Creswell 582 upto the Country Park, and then back down beyond town. As it was, I walked onto the main road to catch the bus on its southbound journey instead. It did not turn up. Feeling fed up by this point, I walked into Evesham to at least have a look around, and passed a Solo parked up with R4 on the front (another NN Creswell route). No driver in sight, so I kept going. I did get there in time for what was meant to be my final bus in Evesham, and as my next train was also running late, I decided to catch it anyway as I could walk back quickly enough.

Stagecoach Midlands X18 - Evesham Bus Station to Railway Station

The driver did not recognise the ticket at all, but did let me travel. It was one of the normal DD on the route.

The weather had turned nasty again by now, and I noticed that the R4 was due to leave, so I thought I would use the rain to my advantage and try to board a couple of minutes early. The driver was open to this idea until I presented my ticket, which he refused point blank to accept as he had never heard of it or seen one before. If I was travelling all the way to Broadway, I would have pushed the matter a bit further by referring to the Council website, but as it was I admitted defeat. I worked out later that the bus should not have even been parked up there all that time - he should have started the trip from the Country Park and gone via Tescos, so I'm pleased I wasn't waiting at either of those places.

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As one last try, I walked into town to see if I had somehow missed the 582 earlier as it was due to return north to finish off, but it still didn't appear, so a walk back to the station for the delayed train back to Worcester. I had initially planned to press straight onto Kidderminster, but I had missed that connection, so squeezed in one more journey in Worcester:

Yarrantons 758 - Bus Station to Arena - 784 BT66 TZE Mercedes Citaro

This was a lovely vehicle, as you might expect from a Citaro, although I was intrigued by the little metal Merc symbol on the headrest of all the seats at shoulder blade height. On looking, this may be due to how it was a demonstrator vehicle originally. Reasonably busy, and a nice ride albeit with something squeaking madly at times. It sounded like a belt squeak but I couldn't find a pattern as to when it made the noise.

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Finished off with a train back to Kidderminster and being lazy, the 192 into town as it was due.

An enjoyable if frustrating day at times. A summary:
Planned operators: 15
Achieved operators: 9 (inc. 1 with some persuasion)
Refused operators: 1
Missed due to other reasons: 5

Apparently good knowledge of the ticket in the north and centre of the county, poor in the south. Black marks to NN Creswell and LMS Travel, and clearer messaging needed from Johnson's. Otherwise all was good.
 
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I’m also following the theme of ‘on this day’, this is a trip I took four years ago today, 19 April 2018. I had driven up the night before to stay in Durham.

Not being particularly familiar with the city I rose early and spent around an hour exploring Durham, including the city centre, castle, cathedral and round the river underneath the cathedral while consuming some breakfast. Then I took a Go Ahead X21 to Newcastle. Slightly disappointingly this was an Optare Versa, the main service then being with Street Decks. It got worse as I set myself up on the left to take photos of the Angel of the North, only for us to overtake a 21 at precisely the wrong moment, so I only got any photos somewhat past it! I alighted at Gateshead and got a Quaylink service down to the river at Baltic Wharf. A very much improved area here, I explored both sides of the river, crossing by the new pedestrian bridge, with around an hour before my next bus on from Newcastle.

I then headed up the Tyne Valley on the Go Ahead 10, past MetroCentre and then through Blaydon and Prudhoe before alighting at Corbridge. I spent half an hour visiting this attractive village before completing the route to Hexham on the next 10. I think these were both Volvo B9TLs in Tyne Valley 10 colours. At Hexham I had an important phone call to make then I explored this lovely town with well maintained back streets and a lovely area around the abbey.

From Hexham I took the 688 to Allenheads on a Mercedes Citaro in yellow Tynedale Links colours. If these are still around they are not in these colours or based at Hexham. This is a stunning route down Allendale, through Allendale Town and into ever improving scenery.

Now there are no other routes at Allenheads so you can only head back to Hexham, or walk, or get a taxi. There’s no taxi rank either (!) so my phone call at Hexham had been to arrange my onward journey. I had first tried a taxi from Allenheads but they couldn’t help me as they would be too late for a school run. Then I tried one based in Weardale. More luck there as my trip was before their school run and was going roughly where they would be going anyway at the right time. So a school trip minibus turned up for my taxi ride. I had planned to go to Cowshill, terminus of the next route, but the driver suggested we go to St Johns Chapel instead as there was more to see and do there, so that’s what we did. Plan B had been to walk – about 3 miles across a hilly and scenic B road in just over an hour – do-able but the taxi was better and included a good commentary on the area. I even had time for a cup of tea and explore in St Johns Chapel.

The next legs were on the Weardale Motors 101. I say legs in the plural as the first journey only went as far as Stanhope, but that was fine as I wanted to spend time there anyway. In fact the first leg was a returning school journey and was an aged and totally empty Trident, just used for the school runs from up the valley into Wolsingham. In hindsight I should have got on the outward journey and had the run to Cowshill and back but I didn’t. The driver was surprised to pick up any passengers, let alone a fare-paying one - oddly I was not able to buy a through ticket even though, at that time, there were virtually no through journeys. Still great scenery on this section. After an hour or so in Stanhope, a delightful small town, I continued on route 101 to Bishop Auckland via Crook, this time on a more prosaic Solo. I had never been to Bishop Auckland and it was very disappointing in that the whole area round the Town Hall was fenced off for a forthcoming festival and the castle was undergoing renovations, so I didn’t really get to see either (I have since). The final leg was back to Durham on a Street Deck on the Go Ahead X21, then the standard fare but they seem to have gone off the X21 now, staying on the 21.

Hopefully I will add the following day's trip tomorrow.

Some pictures:
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Durham - back streets near the cathedral

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Gateshead - Baltic Wharf

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Newcastle river front

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Corbridge

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Hexham

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Allendale scenery, between Allendale Town and Allenheads

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Luckily I didn't have to walk this - the road between Allenheads and Weardale!

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The Wear Valley between St Johns Chapel and Stanhope

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Stanhope

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Bishop Auckland - too much building renovation going on!
 

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Wow - what a bumper selection of trip reports to enjoy. Thanks to @TheSel @asb and @RELL6L for taking the time out to post those.

Interesting to see the world of 1976 when I was just a sprog. The world of Lodekkas "in the flesh" had passed me by and they were confined to driver training duties by the time I was aware of them, except for the occasional visits on holiday "down south". That said, you did manage to get a couple of those new fangled (Ha!) Bristol LHs. I'd say to those more youthful individuals who bemoan Streetlites, they are the height of sophistication compared to an LH. I still loved them and indeed, I remember them being delivered new to my dad's depot. In fact, a number of that batch subsequently ended up in my native North East with TMS though apparently, neither of those two did. They really are great photos and as well as the LHs, the shots from within the long lost Rhyl bus station are very much of a bygone age. As you say, the Health and Safety folks would have a fit now. It was long gone by the time I reached Rhyl; it reminds me of other similar spots like Brixham bus station. I imagine it had some horrendous greasy spoon cafe doling out cardiac casseroles. Also, I was interested to see Holywell bus station as it looks somewhat different now.... it has moved but the location it still there as a road and is still very recognisable even down to a Chinese takeaway still being there :D
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Good to see someone else has risked a Connecta ticket in Worcestershire. I did one c.2019 and had no issues with any operator. I'm a bit surprised that Cresswells would be the one to let you down but at least it wasn't crucial. You seem to have captured the essence of the county - it's pretty dire and First are now busy culling more routes whilst the age profile is fairly horrendous. Diamond have really raised their game to be now satisfactory - I don't think you can really say they're much better than that but in fairness, that's a real improvement over where they used to be. The fleet is better presented, and there's been some improvement in vehicle quality too. Other than a few venerable quality indies (Yarranton and Johnsons), the rest aren't much cop. Perhaps LMS and Astons are a bit better but otherwise, it's a county beset by small firms scraping by on tendered work with a tepid local authority. It's a shame as the county is superb with Worcester obviously but also Evesham and Bewdley being sweet, attractive towns and lots of scenery in between.

Now onto @RELL6L's recollections of my old manor. I digress..... it's a lovely run out in the Tyne Valley and the Citaros did indeed get replaced by new e400mmc though they didn't last long so it's now Optare Versas, I believe. Oddly, I was there last spring and had a Citaro on the 10! I've also done the run to Allenheads and whilst I have known someone actually do the walk to connect Weardale and Allendale bus services, I just did it as an out and back trip. Did you notice the former United Auto outbase in Allenheads that used to house an LH?

Of course, Bishop Auckland would be a disappointment; it would be without a smoky poppy red National blasting through the market place and up past the OK depot to the bus station! However, the greater sadness is that compared to when I used to travel, the bus network in the old United area of SW Durham is terribly thin and whilst some tendered routes have replaced them, many services have long since gone. The dead corporate hand of Arriva has really done damage and whilst Weardale keep on with their core work as well as other contracts, the overall picture is poorer. However, I'm sure that as we look towards @RELL6L's promised day two, things will still prove to be interesting!

I may have to join in on the "On this day" theme at some point as I've not anything planned at the moment
 

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A wonderful blast from the past from @TheSel above, Lodekkas aplenty, LHs and even an MW. Fantastic!

The report from Worcestershire is interesting too. Lots of really good routes but not doing the good bits! Agreed that's difficult, I have certainly never tried the routes out west of Worcester such as the LMS Travel 423 to Alfrick nor the 356 heading east to the beautifully named Grafton Flyford! Nor the 308-310 heading out north west. One I have done is the Yarranton 758 to Tenbury Wells, it wasn't a Citaro but was something pretty modern I recall. And the 133 to Chaddesley Corbett, I did this on the 'rare' section between Droitwich and Chaddesley Corbett, I did get off here and explore the lovely village and then continue on the Diamond service to Kidderminster - I remember the narrow pavement too! This was a day of infrequent services as I then went on to Kinver on the 580, the 133 and 580 only both operated on a Friday so Friday it was.

A couple of pictures of Chaddesley Corbett to see what you were missing! A very interesting exercise!

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And thanks to @TheGrandWazoo for his wise thoughts. No smoky red Nationals in Bishop Auckland now, nut agreed not as many buses as there used to be. To be fair though, Durham County Council does seem to keep things going better than some. Which reminds me of the Arriva 86, just withdrawn to Toft Hill and replaced by PCL Travel - to add to the withdrawals thread!

I didn't see the old United outstation in Allenheads unfortunately. My taxi was waiting! barely had time for a photo at all..

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And thanks to @TheGrandWazoo for his wise thoughts. No smoky red Nationals in Bishop Auckland now, nut agreed not as many buses as there used to be. To be fair though, Durham County Council does seem to keep things going better than some. Which reminds me of the Arriva 86, just withdrawn to Toft Hill and replaced by PCL Travel - to add to the withdrawals thread!

I didn't see the old United outstation in Allenheads unfortunately. My taxi was waiting! barely had time for a photo at all..
You'd have gone past it

The visitor centre just by the pub.... They used to reverse in an LH where those nearly full length windows now are

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The second day of my 2018 trip to the North East – on 20 April 2018, 4 years ago today – again started in Durham and again I wandered round the city in the early morning. The first journey of the day was on the Go North East 265 headed directly east to Seaham. I think this was a Streetlite. This service is now the 65 and runs more frequently than in 2018! It headed out of Durham past the Arriva Belmont depot then through a number of Durham villages, Hetton-le-Hole and the Dalton Park shopping centre – which looked very quiet – before arriving in Seaham. Seaham is a really under-rated place, it is fabulous down by the harbour and the main town up at road level is also pretty pleasant as long as you stay by the coastline. There are several statues recognising the town’s history.

From Seaham I took the Go North East X6 via the direct route to Sunderland, a Versa I think. I didn’t really explore Sunderland that much and didn’t bother with the interchange. I alighted in the town centre close to the park, which has been made really attractive, and took my next bus from a town centre stop. This was the Stagecoach E1 (an E200) via the coastal route on to South Shields. Some good coastal views past the Souter Lighthouse, the South Shields running man statue and the resort(ish) end of South Shields. The town centre here was OK with a bustling market area but I was headed for the river frontage which has been re-done to be very attractive. Here I took the Tyne ferry across to North Shields – good views from the boat - and a short bus journey up to the town. North Shields is another town which has spent money recreating some of its history, the fish market area has been improved and there are statues here too.

From North Shields I walked round the coastal promontory a couple of miles to Tynemouth, getting the best view of the old priory and the castle. Tynemouth is now a really attractive and bustling place and on a sunny day was full of life. I spent a while here before moving on to Whitley Bay on the Go Ahead 1, which I think was then known as the Coaster and run with double deckers - now it seems to be Streetlites - I chose it over the Arriva 306 (mainly Pulsars) for that reason and because it kept nearer the coast. This passed the coastal village of Cullercoats which, with hindsight, I should have found a few minutes to step back a journey at as it looks attractive. I stayed on the terminus at northern end of Whitley Bay by the beaches and coastal attractions to visit these.

After a while I took a bus back to the centre of Whitley Bay and looked around there briefly, not as much to see here. Then I took a Go North East 309, a Volvo B9TL, back through Cobalt Business Park to Newcastle City Centre. A short look around the area near Haymarket then I took a bus to the station, a train to Durham and headed home.

Not as ambitious as the first day out but I had to get home. Superb sections of coastline though, Seaham is well worth a visit and South Shields to North Shields to Tynemouth is a must.

Again I have chosen a selection of 10 pictures. If there's a theme to these it is metal statues!

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Durham

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Seaham harbour

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Seaham

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Sunderland

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South Shields

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From the Tyne ferry looking towards Tynemouth

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North Shields

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Tynemouth

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Bustling Tynemouth town centre at lunchtime

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Whitley Bay

You'd have gone past it

The visitor centre just by the pub.... They used to reverse in an LH where those nearly full length windows now are

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You are clearly right - because I took this photo from what looks like exactly the same place, looking on Google maps and swivelling round. That was where the bus stopped.
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The second day of my 2018 trip to the North East – on 20 April 2018, 4 years ago today – again started in Durham and again I wandered round the city in the early morning. The first journey of the day was on the Go North East 265 headed directly east to Seaham. I think this was a Streetlite. This service is now the 65 and runs more frequently than in 2018! It headed out of Durham past the Arriva Belmont depot then through a number of Durham villages, Hetton-le-Hole and the Dalton Park shopping centre – which looked very quiet – before arriving in Seaham. Seaham is a really under-rated place, it is fabulous down by the harbour and the main town up at road level is also pretty pleasant as long as you stay by the coastline. There are several statues recognising the town’s history.

From Seaham I took the Go North East X6 via the direct route to Sunderland, a Versa I think. I didn’t really explore Sunderland that much and didn’t bother with the interchange. I alighted in the town centre close to the park, which has been made really attractive, and took my next bus from a town centre stop. This was the Stagecoach E1 (an E200) via the coastal route on to South Shields. Some good coastal views past the Souter Lighthouse, the South Shields running man statue and the resort(ish) end of South Shields. The town centre here was OK with a bustling market area but I was headed for the river frontage which has been re-done to be very attractive. Here I took the Tyne ferry across to North Shields – good views from the boat - and a short bus journey up to the town. North Shields is another town which has spent money recreating some of its history, the fish market area has been improved and there are statues here too.

From North Shields I walked round the coastal promontory a couple of miles to Tynemouth, getting the best view of the old priory and the castle. Tynemouth is now a really attractive and bustling place and on a sunny day was full of life. I spent a while here before moving on to Whitley Bay on the Go Ahead 1, which I think was then known as the Coaster and run with double deckers - now it seems to be Streetlites - I chose it over the Arriva 306 (mainly Pulsars) for that reason and because it kept nearer the coast. This passed the coastal village of Cullercoats which, with hindsight, I should have found a few minutes to step back a journey at as it looks attractive. I stayed on the terminus at northern end of Whitley Bay by the beaches and coastal attractions to visit these.

After a while I took a bus back to the centre of Whitley Bay and looked around there briefly, not as much to see here. Then I took a Go North East 309, a Volvo B9TL, back through Cobalt Business Park to Newcastle City Centre. A short look around the area near Haymarket then I took a bus to the station, a train to Durham and headed home.

Not as ambitious as the first day out but I had to get home. Superb sections of coastline though, Seaham is well worth a visit and South Shields to North Shields to Tynemouth is a must.

Again I have chosen a selection of 10 pictures. If there's a theme to these it is metal statues!

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Durham

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Seaham harbour

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From the Tyne ferry looking towards Tynemouth

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North Shields

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Tynemouth

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Bustling Tynemouth town centre at lunchtime

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Whitley Bay


You are clearly right - because I took this photo from what looks like exactly the same place, looking on Google maps and swivelling round. That was where the bus stopped.
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Yep - looks like you were stood right next to it! In all honesty, there's nothing to mark it out as anything other than just another barn conversion :D

As for your day 2 jaunt, you did exceptionally well to make Seaham look appealing. To be honest, I think I may be scarred from my solitary visit there; at that time, you were deposited at Seaham Harbour bus station which was the worst bus station I have ever been to (and I've been to some real dossholes). It was where the library now sits and I think I arrived from Durham on what was the 154, became the 265 and is now the 65.

That said, I fully agree with your appraisal of all the other places. I find Sunderland "fine" in an adequate way and agree about avoiding the interchange; better for your onward travel plans and not a great facility to my mind. The services to Shields are good (though surprised you had an e200 - they tend to be e300 on there) and afford you some lovely views of Souter Lighthouse and Marsden depending on the route. If you were later in the day, you could've had a curry at any one of the dazzling number of curry houses on the road into Shields. It now boasts a new bus station and Metro interchange that, if local legend be true, has the UK's busiest Greggs!! There's also some good pubs; the Alum near the ferry terminal is a nice one.

A trip on the Shields Ferry is always fun and the buses usually give a decent connection to North Shields, and yes, the walk to Tynemouth affords some superb views. Tynemouth is a lovely little town and quite sedate; don't know if you got to see the Metro station there? Simply stunning after its refurbishment a few years ago. My second favourite station on the Metro - West Monkseaton is an art deco delight. Not quite in the Holden bracket but good to visit.

You did miss a little trick with Cullercoats; it's as nice as you suspected. Whitley Bay is a bit of a curate's egg. Lots of iffy bars doing 2 for 1 shots and the like and yet it has a gentility about it too. I used to love the semi-circular bus station with a depot attached but that's long since been swept away. I can't blame Arriva for that but they have largely vacated the town now, save for the trunk 308. Quite a few childhood memories of trips there to the Spanish City, enabled by a trip under the river via the Tyne Tunnel; it passed for excitement in the 70s!!

It's often said that "it's grim up North" and it can be, but you've showcased some of the best bits that people just wouldn't really know about. Thank you for sharing
 
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To get near my target of doing around 20 trips a year and only doing them on days when the weather is good involves constantly watching the weather and acting quickly when conditions look favourable. So it was that late Wednesday afternoon I booked myself a room near Doncaster, went home, packed, ate, and headed off up the motorway, arriving somewhat after dark.

Thursday morning dawned with blue sky but as I headed towards my intended start point of Boroughbridge we entered a large patch of mist which remained although there were glimpses of blue sky. Worse, when I parked up and checked BusTimes for my first journey, which should have left York at 6.50, it wasn’t tracking. Nothing on Transdev York’s website or tweets so I waited at the bus stop at the due time. It didn’t appear, then when I checked the tweets again there it was, cancelled. So the day was not starting well! I should add that I had originally considered doing a long a complex day in West Yorkshire, particularly around Halifax, but (1) the weather was supposed to be better further east and (2) in view of the current trend of cutting some rural routes due to lack of passengers and that North Yorkshire appeared to be getting nowt from the recent Bus Back Better round I thought I should go somewhere in more danger of not being there one day in the future.

Annoyed but undaunted I drove to where my first bus was supposed to take me, Ripon, wondering what else Transdev (or anyone else) could throw at me. Arriving about the same time as the bus was supposed to, I grabbed a bite in Ripon and stocked up for later, at which point the sun broke through and Ripon was bathed in glory. The cathedral and side streets down that way are lovely, the Market Place was bustling with the Thursday market ongoing and I had nearly an hour before my new first bus of the day.

So my first actual journey, starting at 9.00 - having been up since 5.30 – was Dales and District 70 to Thirsk (which continues to Northallerton). This journey does not appear on BusTimes but does appear on their website and I had actually taken the same journey, between Thirsk and Northallerton, last year, having on that occasion rung the bus company for verification. And indeed yesterday it ran, on time, with a small E200 and a fair number of passengers, more joining as I left in Thirsk. Quite an attractive route round some villages but the sort of service which, if it cannot cover its costs, might vanish. After my first, easy, journey had let me down I was slightly concerned at relatively tight connections between the next four journeys, but I had 24 minutes in Thirsk where I had a brief look round, although I had been there last year. Thirsk, of course, is the 'real' Darrowby, where the 'real' James Herriott was based (ref Grassington on a trip from last month).

From Thirsk I took the Reliance 30X south to Easingwold. I had actually done this section, the other way, last year. Going south it has the most horrendous right turn onto the A19 and, after about 3 minutes, the driver took what I would consider in football parlance to be barely a half-chance to turn but nothing hit us! A relatively flat route through the Vale of York, this runs hourly throughout most of the day and had several passengers, so hopefully relatively secure. My steed was a modern but boring E200. Easingwold is a glorious small town, again one I had visited last year, and I only had 20 minutes here, time for a short stroll around the very attractive area near the bus stop, buzzing with people eating at local cafes.

In terms of scenery the next section was definitely the highlight. This was the 31X to Helmsley, run by a Volvo B7RLE. The route runs four times a day and clearly serves a school between Helmsley and Kirkbymoorside justifying two round trips but I expected it to be fairly short of passengers in the current climate. In fact we had 10 leaving Easingwold, some of whom had clearly shopped, presumably in the 45 minutes since the arrival of a southbound journey. Some left in the villages but three more joined at Husthwaite and we still had a fair number arriving at Helmsley, where most got off. The scenery here is outstanding, once through Husthwaite there are great distant views northwards towards Sutton Bank and still good all the way to Helmsley. After Ampleforth the road the bus normally takes, past Ampleforth Abbey and Oswaldkirk, was closed and we simply missed these out, presumably there was no feasible alternative, so we arrived slightly early at Helmsley despite having been late earlier. Hopefully this route is profitable for Reliance and will survive, and I hope Reliance carry on as they are a very well presented outfit with buses clean and smart, including some pretty old ones used on school and other services, perhaps including the last couple of Volvo B7L single deckers still around.

The prompt arrival was good because in theory I only had 13 minutes at Helmsley, not ideal but the only feasible connection. This was enough time for a hurried wander around this gorgeous small town, lots of people but also lots of parked cars and a very attractive stretch with a stream running alongside the road.

From Helmsley I took the East Yorkshire X28 to Scarborough. As the 128 this used to be an hourly service through to Helmsley via every village nearby talking about 3½ hours round trip, being somewhat inefficient to run. Now the 128 only runs to Kirkbymoorside, still via every village, with a 3 hour round trip while the X28 misses out all villages off the main road, including Seamer, and makes it to Helmsley and back within 3 hours, these alternating with hourly arrival and departure times in Scarborough. This seems a good compromise to reduce the PVR even though some villages, and Helmsley, now only have a bus every two hours. This was a route I had always associated with double deckers and mine was indeed an 09-reg Volvo B9TL - so I was surprised to meet a Volvo B8RLE in Pickering and discover that usually only one or two of the three boards are double deckers, and not always the same ones. I hope this does not become a trend under Go Ahead control! This is quite a scenic route, especially at through Kirkbymoorside, Pickering and Thornton-le-Dale. Having previously stopped in Pickering I did not do so this time.

While heading into Scarborough I revisited the Transdev Coastliner & York web pages and tweets to discover that the Coastliner 840 from Malton to Leeds at 15.36 was cancelled due to driver shortages. Very annoying as that was the one I wished to take between Malton and York. Useful to know now though as not something BusTimes would tell me, indeed this journey appeared as normal bound for Leeds, until it got to Malton, where it stopped. At Scarborough, annoyingly, there was sea mist over the town, something I had been warned as a possible by the weather forecast. It wasn’t everywhere and only went inland a mile or so, and obviously had not been like that for long, as the town and beach were full of people substantially underdressed for the suddenly cold weather, bravely continuing with their Easter holiday seaside plans. There were a few customers for the two competing open top seafront services, Shoreline Suncruisers notably operating a couple of personalised registered Dennis Tridents, mostly originally V-registered ones. I have been to Scarborough before – indeed it is the only place I have actually spent a night away from my car on a two-day trip in 2017 – so I could live with it not being sunny, although the sun did break through a bit. I could have headed off after 1 minute but didn’t want to come to Scarborough and not see the seaside, so I had an hour.

So my next leg was on the Coastliner 843 to Malton, a standard 66-reg Volvo B5TL. On my two-day 2017 trip I had done York to Whitby with a stop at Pickering but not Malton and therefore I really wanted to stop off this time. This was made harder by the next bus, after 30 minutes in Malton, being cancelled, given that I could not miss the last bus from York to Ripon (there being a later one to Boroughbridge but my car was not there as originally planned). The following 843, even if on time, would miss the bus at York (and it was far from on time). But I did stop at Malton and it is necessary to do this to explore the proper town centre, slightly off the main bus routes, very pleasant it is too. I was able to do this because Transdev are not the only public transport providers in Malton – there is another Trans, TransPennine Express. Having checked it wasn’t cancelled as late as I could afford I took the 15.59 train from Malton to York, in fact helpfully giving me another 10 minutes or so to explore Malton. The train was on time, for anyone reading from the rail bits of the forum this was a class 68 leading five coaches, with at least two other drivers travelling on board which seems very inefficient, with it taking a couple of minutes at each stop to open the doors, which I don’t understand. The railway line follows the sweeping curves of the River Derwent for a bit with a good view of Kirkham Priory before speeding up for the last bit to York. I didn’t have that long at York now, in fact I never intended to, having been here three times previously and seen all the city centre.

The final leg, back to Ripon, was on York Country 22, the whole route operated by Versas, picking this up at the Station Road stop. It took some time to get out of York, as you would expect in the evening rush hour, but caught up time and went through several quietly attractive villages in the countryside between York and Boroughbridge. Boroughbridge itself looked even prettier in the bright sunshine than it had on my aborted visit in the morning and the adjacent village of Aldborough was also very attractive. We had 6 on board leaving York, some left in the villages and surprisingly two joined as well, but whether this is enough on a peak hour journey to sustain a two hourly service I don’t know. Arriving back at Ripon there were two Harrogate and District 36s on the stand with a long queue about to board the first one. How this happens on a half hourly service I don’t know but the record shows that the 17.45 to Leeds left Ripon at 18.13 while the 18.15 left at 18.14. On their previous journeys from Leeds the first one left Leeds 19 minutes late at 16.04 and lost more time on route, including 10 minutes at Harrogate Bus Station, while the second one left Leeds 10 minutes late at 16.25 and caught it all up!

So, after drawing breath in Ripon by revisiting the Market Square, I headed home, arriving at 22.30. A very enjoyable day out – trip number 250 since I restarted in 2004 after marriage and family taking me out for a while.

Some pictures of course....
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Ripon - a quiet street leading between the Market Square and the cathedral

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Thirsk

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Easingwold

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View looking north from near Husthwaite on the 31X

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Helmsley

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Helmsley - best view from the top of a bus!

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Thornton-le-Dale, from passing on the X28

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Scarborough - not my best picture of the day but it has a bus in it!

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Malton Market Square, its attractive but not perhaps the most photogenic - cars everywhere!

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Boroughbridge - what I missed out on!

Yep - looks like you were stood right next to it! In all honesty, there's nothing to mark it out as anything other than just another barn conversion :D

As for your day 2 jaunt, you did exceptionally well to make Seaham look appealing. To be honest, I think I may be scarred from my solitary visit there; at that time, you were deposited at Seaham Harbour bus station which was the worst bus station I have ever been to (and I've been to some real dossholes). It was where the library now sits and I think I arrived from Durham on what was the 154, became the 265 and is now the 65.

That said, I fully agree with your appraisal of all the other places. I find Sunderland "fine" in an adequate way and agree about avoiding the interchange; better for your onward travel plans and not a great facility to my mind. The services to Shields are good (though surprised you had an e200 - they tend to be e300 on there) and afford you some lovely views of Souter Lighthouse and Marsden depending on the route. If you were later in the day, you could've had a curry at any one of the dazzling number of curry houses on the road into Shields. It now boasts a new bus station and Metro interchange that, if local legend be true, has the UK's busiest Greggs!! There's also some good pubs; the Alum near the ferry terminal is a nice one.

A trip on the Shields Ferry is always fun and the buses usually give a decent connection to North Shields, and yes, the walk to Tynemouth affords some superb views. Tynemouth is a lovely little town and quite sedate; don't know if you got to see the Metro station there? Simply stunning after its refurbishment a few years ago. My second favourite station on the Metro - West Monkseaton is an art deco delight. Not quite in the Holden bracket but good to visit.

You did miss a little trick with Cullercoats; it's as nice as you suspected. Whitley Bay is a bit of a curate's egg. Lots of iffy bars doing 2 for 1 shots and the like and yet it has a gentility about it too. I used to love the semi-circular bus station with a depot attached but that's long since been swept away. I can't blame Arriva for that but they have largely vacated the town now, save for the trunk 308. Quite a few childhood memories of trips there to the Spanish City, enabled by a trip under the river via the Tyne Tunnel; it passed for excitement in the 70s!!

It's often said that "it's grim up North" and it can be, but you've showcased some of the best bits that people just wouldn't really know about. Thank you for sharing
I definitely agree I should have stopped off at Cullercoats. It’s a long drive home from Durham but say 30 minutes later would have been worthwhile. And very much so on the underrated coast around Shields and Tynemouth, glorious.

We’ll have to agree to disagree on Seaham. I thought the coastal part of the town was really attractive especially the harbour. Built on coal and the harbour I am sure the town was very run down in the 80s and 90s but a lot of money was spent in the 00s and now it’s dramatically improved. No it’s not Whitby or Tynemouth or Berwick and it’s not a resort but I think it’s OK! May add a couple more pictures tomorrow to back up my case.
 
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Ripon - a quiet street leading between the Market Square and the cathedral
Difficult to believe today but before the by-pass was built that was the route of the southbound A61, even odder in that the route was never a classified road - the A road being the northbound routing.
 

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To get near my target of doing around 20 trips a year and only doing them on days when the weather is good involves constantly watching the weather and acting quickly when conditions look favourable. So it was that late Wednesday afternoon I booked myself a room near Doncaster, went home, packed, ate, and headed off up the motorway, arriving somewhat after dark.

Thursday morning dawned with blue sky but as I headed towards my intended start point of Boroughbridge we entered a large patch of mist which remained although there were glimpses of blue sky. Worse, when I parked up and checked BusTimes for my first journey, which should have left York at 6.50, it wasn’t tracking. Nothing on Transdev York’s website or tweets so I waited at the bus stop at the due time. It didn’t appear, then when I checked the tweets again there it was, cancelled. So the day was not starting well! I should add that I had originally considered doing a long a complex day in West Yorkshire, particularly around Halifax, but (1) the weather was supposed to be better further east and (2) in view of the current trend of cutting some rural routes due to lack of passengers and that North Yorkshire appeared to be getting nowt from the recent Bus Back Better round I thought I should go somewhere in more danger of not being there one day in the future.

Annoyed but undaunted I drove to where my first bus was supposed to take me, Ripon, wondering what else Transdev (or anyone else) could throw at me. Arriving about the same time as the bus was supposed to, I grabbed a bite in Ripon and stocked up for later, at which point the sun broke through and Ripon was bathed in glory. The cathedral and side streets down that way are lovely, the Market Place was bustling with the Thursday market ongoing and I had nearly an hour before my new first bus of the day.

So my first actual journey, starting at 9.00 - having been up since 5.30 – was Dales and District 70 to Thirsk (which continues to Northallerton). This journey does not appear on BusTimes but does appear on their website and I had actually taken the same journey, between Thirsk and Northallerton, last year, having on that occasion rung the bus company for verification. And indeed yesterday it ran, on time, with a small E200 and a fair number of passengers, more joining as I left in Thirsk. Quite an attractive route round some villages but the sort of service which, if it cannot cover its costs, might vanish. After my first, easy, journey had let me down I was slightly concerned at relatively tight connections between the next four journeys, but I had 24 minutes in Thirsk where I had a brief look round, although I had been there last year. Thirsk, of course, is the 'real' Darrowby, where the 'real' James Herriott was based (ref Grassington on a trip from last month).

From Thirsk I took the Reliance 30X south to Easingwold. I had actually done this section, the other way, last year. Going south it has the most horrendous right turn onto the A19 and, after about 3 minutes, the driver took what I would consider in football parlance to be barely a half-chance to turn but nothing hit us! A relatively flat route through the Vale of York, this runs hourly throughout most of the day and had several passengers, so hopefully relatively secure. My steed was a modern but boring E200. Easingwold is a glorious small town, again one I had visited last year, and I only had 20 minutes here, time for a short stroll around the very attractive area near the bus stop, buzzing with people eating at local cafes.

In terms of scenery the next section was definitely the highlight. This was the 31X to Helmsley, run by a Volvo B7RLE. The route runs four times a day and clearly serves a school between Helmsley and Kirkbymoorside justifying two round trips but I expected it to be fairly short of passengers in the current climate. In fact we had 10 leaving Easingwold, some of whom had clearly shopped, presumably in the 45 minutes since the arrival of a southbound journey. Some left in the villages but three more joined at Husthwaite and we still had a fair number arriving at Helmsley, where most got off. The scenery here is outstanding, once through Husthwaite there are great distant views northwards towards Sutton Bank and still good all the way to Helmsley. After Ampleforth the road the bus normally takes, past Ampleforth Abbey and Oswaldkirk, was closed and we simply missed these out, presumably there was no feasible alternative, so we arrived slightly early at Helmsley despite having been late earlier. Hopefully this route is profitable for Reliance and will survive, and I hope Reliance carry on as they are a very well presented outfit with buses clean and smart, including some pretty old ones used on school and other services, perhaps including the last couple of Volvo B7L single deckers still around.

The prompt arrival was good because in theory I only had 13 minutes at Helmsley, not ideal but the only feasible connection. This was enough time for a hurried wander around this gorgeous small town, lots of people but also lots of parked cars and a very attractive stretch with a stream running alongside the road.

From Helmsley I took the East Yorkshire X28 to Scarborough. As the 128 this used to be an hourly service through to Helmsley via every village nearby talking about 3½ hours round trip, being somewhat inefficient to run. Now the 128 only runs to Kirkbymoorside, still via every village, with a 3 hour round trip while the X28 misses out all villages off the main road, including Seamer, and makes it to Helmsley and back within 3 hours, these alternating with hourly arrival and departure times in Scarborough. This seems a good compromise to reduce the PVR even though some villages, and Helmsley, now only have a bus every two hours. This was a route I had always associated with double deckers and mine was indeed an 09-reg Volvo B9TL - so I was surprised to meet a Volvo B8RLE in Pickering and discover that usually only one or two of the three boards are double deckers, and not always the same ones. I hope this does not become a trend under Go Ahead control! This is quite a scenic route, especially at through Kirkbymoorside, Pickering and Thornton-le-Dale. Having previously stopped in Pickering I did not do so this time.

While heading into Scarborough I revisited the Transdev Coastliner & York web pages and tweets to discover that the Coastliner 840 from Malton to Leeds at 15.36 was cancelled due to driver shortages. Very annoying as that was the one I wished to take between Malton and York. Useful to know now though as not something BusTimes would tell me, indeed this journey appeared as normal bound for Leeds, until it got to Malton, where it stopped. At Scarborough, annoyingly, there was sea mist over the town, something I had been warned as a possible by the weather forecast. It wasn’t everywhere and only went inland a mile or so, and obviously had not been like that for long, as the town and beach were full of people substantially underdressed for the suddenly cold weather, bravely continuing with their Easter holiday seaside plans. There were a few customers for the two competing open top seafront services, Shoreline Suncruisers notably operating a couple of personalised registered Dennis Tridents, mostly originally V-registered ones. I have been to Scarborough before – indeed it is the only place I have actually spent a night away from my car on a two-day trip in 2017 – so I could live with it not being sunny, although the sun did break through a bit. I could have headed off after 1 minute but didn’t want to come to Scarborough and not see the seaside, so I had an hour.

So my next leg was on the Coastliner 843 to Malton, a standard 66-reg Volvo B5TL. On my two-day 2017 trip I had done York to Whitby with a stop at Pickering but not Malton and therefore I really wanted to stop off this time. This was made harder by the next bus, after 30 minutes in Malton, being cancelled, given that I could not miss the last bus from York to Ripon (there being a later one to Boroughbridge but my car was not there as originally planned). The following 843, even if on time, would miss the bus at York (and it was far from on time). But I did stop at Malton and it is necessary to do this to explore the proper town centre, slightly off the main bus routes, very pleasant it is too. I was able to do this because Transdev are not the only public transport providers in Malton – there is another Trans, TransPennine Express. Having checked it wasn’t cancelled as late as I could afford I took the 15.59 train from Malton to York, in fact helpfully giving me another 10 minutes or so to explore Malton. The train was on time, for anyone reading from the rail bits of the forum this was a class 68 leading five coaches, with at least two other drivers travelling on board which seems very inefficient, with it taking a couple of minutes at each stop to open the doors, which I don’t understand. The railway line follows the sweeping curves of the River Derwent for a bit with a good view of Kirkham Priory before speeding up for the last bit to York. I didn’t have that long at York now, in fact I never intended to, having been here three times previously and seen all the city centre.

The final leg, back to Ripon, was on York Country 22, the whole route operated by Versas, picking this up at the Station Road stop. It took some time to get out of York, as you would expect in the evening rush hour, but caught up time and went through several quietly attractive villages in the countryside between York and Boroughbridge. Boroughbridge itself looked even prettier in the bright sunshine than it had on my aborted visit in the morning and the adjacent village of Aldborough was also very attractive. We had 6 on board leaving York, some left in the villages and surprisingly two joined as well, but whether this is enough on a peak hour journey to sustain a two hourly service I don’t know. Arriving back at Ripon there were two Harrogate and District 36s on the stand with a long queue about to board the first one. How this happens on a half hourly service I don’t know but the record shows that the 17.45 to Leeds left Ripon at 18.13 while the 18.15 left at 18.14. On their previous journeys from Leeds the first one left Leeds 19 minutes late at 16.04 and lost more time on route, including 10 minutes at Harrogate Bus Station, while the second one left Leeds 10 minutes late at 16.25 and caught it all up!

So, after drawing breath in Ripon by revisiting the Market Square, I headed home, arriving at 22.30. A very enjoyable day out – trip number 250 since I restarted in 2004 after marriage and family taking me out for a while.

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Ripon - a quiet street leading between the Market Square and the cathedral

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Thirsk

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View looking north from near Husthwaite on the 31X

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Helmsley

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Helmsley - best view from the top of a bus!

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Thornton-le-Dale, from passing on the X28

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Scarborough - not my best picture of the day but it has a bus in it!

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Malton Market Square, its attractive but not perhaps the most photogenic - cars everywhere!

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Boroughbridge - what I missed out on!


I definitely agree I should have stopped off at Cullercoats. It’s a long drive home from Durham but say 30 minutes later would have been worthwhile. And very much so on the underrated coast around Shields and Tynemouth, glorious.

We’ll have to agree to disagree on Seaham. I thought the coastal part of the town was really attractive especially the harbour. Built on coal and the harbour I am sure the town was very run down in the 80s and 90s but a lot of money was spent in the 00s and now it’s dramatically improved. No it’s not Whitby or Tynemouth or Berwick and it’s not a resort but I think it’s OK! May add a couple more pictures tomorrow to back up my case.
Not disagreeing on Seaham. It is doubtless much improved.

However, the 1980s bus station was the single worst facility I have ever waited in.
 

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Not disagreeing on Seaham. It is doubtless much improved.

However, the 1980s bus station was the single worst facility I have ever waited in.
I am sure Seaham remains bleak on a cold day with an easterly wind but at least the bus station has gone!
Some more pictures to reinforce my case...C11 2018-04-20 (16) Seaham.JPGC12 2018-04-20 (26) Seaham.JPGC13 2018-04-20 (35) Seaham.JPGC14 2018-04-20 (44) Seaham.JPG

Difficult to believe today but before the by-pass was built that was the route of the southbound A61, even odder in that the route was never a classified road - the A road being the northbound routing.
Wow! I bet the traffic was terrible then!
Here's another picture of the same road looking the other way when I returned in the early evening.


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I am sure Seaham remains bleak on a cold day with an easterly wind but at least the bus station has gone!
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Wow! I bet the traffic was terrible then!
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The photos of Seaham's harbour are very pleasant. As I say, I think I am probably scarred from my single visit there.

Sadly, there aren't many photos of the former bus station but flickr friend John Carter perhaps provides the best view; it was dark and dank and invested by feral teenagers at almost all times. Truly awful. They have thrown some money at enhancing the town evidently and the bus station's demise was really no loss.

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Some new travelling for me but this time, it was as I was without a car and with my better half so very much aimed at a more leisurely experience. This might be of interest to @GusB and @Jordan Adam as I was in the North East corner of Scotland in Aberdeen(shire). It's really two half days but with some added extra comment at the end.

We'd elected to travel to Aberdeen without a clear idea of what to do. However, a chance meeting with some locals, apart from their incredulity about visiting the city, did illicit some clear ideas about where to travel. Hence it was a bright morning in Aberdeen as we had a day enjoying the X7. This is where part of the problem comes in (and we saw it with some other tourists). The X7 is an Aberdeen to Perth long distance coach service....every hour, and operated by Stagecoach Scot East's Arbroath depot. There are other short journeys down to Stonehaven but they're operated by Stagecoach Bluebird, I guess from Stonehaven sub-depot. Hence, the bus stops timetable displays seem to show not a consolidated list of departures but different ones for the two firms and that is replicated on bus times. Thankfully, I know the reality but even then, our departure didn't track and then it appeared. It was one of the Plaxton Elite Interdecks that work the service, now repainted in awful yellow. Yellow was the theme as the X7 makes its way south past swathes of daffodils as we left the work of David Welch and his floral vision. Like a number of others, we were heading to the fortress of Dunnottar Castle, a notable ruin just south of Stonehaven. In truth, it's not a place to spend a day but we had a fine couple of hours exploring the fortification, perched on a rock looking out to sea. We then wandered back and made better time to the main road, enabling us to catch the imminent X7. Sadly, this was an e300 (!) which was a shame as the route hugs the coast. In the sunshine, it was glorious.

Our next stop was Montrose, once home to a Strathtay depot but closed under Stagecoach and now served from Arbroath. It's a curious place. The main street looked like it had seen better days but walk a street or two away and it's a very attractive little town. I can only assume that it's a dormitory town increasingly and the money is spent elsewhere. After lunch and a walk round including to see the football ground, we headed back and caught another yellow Interdeck north to Stonehaven. These are very nice vehicles but note that private regs now disguise their increasing age. We arrived in Stonehaven, getting off outside the Farmfoods store that, I believe, used to be the Bluebird depot until the 1970s. Stonehaven is a true delight and we headed to the renowned Carron Fish Bar that proclaims to have invented the deep fried Mars bar. We both got chips and enjoyed them on the sea front as the sun began to wane for the first time that day, before heading back along the sea front and into the market place to get our final X7; this was a Bluebird operated short and was one of the e400mmcs that were allocated to the 727 Airport service but are now seemingly found anywhere in their new local colours (but more of that later. Again, it was a beautiful run up the coast and then via the Park and Choose (not P&R - it doesn't seem well patronised and not sure of the choice either) before running back into the city.
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For our next trip, the bright blue skies (copyright @RELL6L) had given way to much cloudier, much colder weather. We also had a change of operator, being city based, with First Aberdeen day tickets being purchased. This was £4.40 each which seemed about right but more than the equivalent Stagecoach ticket. First of all, we decided to revisit the coast and headed on the 15 to Footdee (pronounced Fittie, I believe?) which is a curious gem. Amongst the maritime industry and support services, there is a collection of small streets and courtyards where fishermen and their wives and families used to live. It's not far from the city centre, walkable just but better by bus. We had a Wright Streetlite Max. It was perfectly fine - it didn't have the issues with jerky transmissions or snatching brakes but it did have the poor ride quality when it hit a speed hump and the emergency door handle....well, you know the drill! Footdee was a cold delight and after a walk past a former Armchair Olympian now in use as a cafe, we grabbed a coffee elsewhere to catch a 15 back. This was an Eclipse, slightly tatty inside but ok, leaving from the Beach Retail Park; the 15 performs a large one way loop to serve the sea front, Footdee and the retail park.

Back in the city centre, the challenges of the part pedestrianisation of Union Street and other temporary changes meant a slight stroll to catch our next machine. It was the 2 to Bridge of Don but we were heading only for Old Aberdeen. Sadly, it wasn't one of the many more interesting machines (e.g. Hydrogen Streetdeck, e500, Merc bendi) but was an e300, newly repainted but still with Northern Lights branding inside. Arguably, the best branding I saw on any bus - just on the wrong route. These aren't bad machines and we headed up King Street past the First Bus HQ which has some of the dowdiest, scruffiest signage for an HQ! We got off and then explored Old Aberdeen with St Machars Cathedral, King's College, the Snow Kirk, and many other interesting corners. After a swift pint to get warm before the bus, we wandered out where we caught another First Eclipse; this had high backed seating but was clearly a little bit worse for wear. It's too old for a refurb and it did rattle a lot on the cobbles but it does show that mid life refurbs are definitely an area where First failed.

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It was over all too soon and we were soon travelling back to the airport to fly back and the bus I've shown illustrates something that I found disappointing. I travelled on the two main operators. First Aberdeen are busy painting their fleet though there are still plenty of rather battered e300s and Streetlites with obsolete branding. The promotion is pretty haphazard and more so internally but it's not a bad fleet and looks to be improving.

Stagecoach Bluebird was more disappointing in many respects. I expect them to be better than First but the e400 I show is on the key 727 service; a route I used four times. The seats on this machine were threadbare - the worst I've seen in any firm and not what you expect. Also, I know the 727 has been hit hard by the pandemic and new electric vehicles are due. However, the e400mmcs are now used all over whilst you can find e350Hs or even B7TLs on the 727. Four journeys - four different vehicle types. The once good publicity is now gone, and is reduced to now obsolete posters in the airport terminal referring to the 747 and how this was the best service in Scotland in 2017. In fact, it felt that Stagecoach are on the slide - I've felt it elsewhere but perhaps more so here and not just on this service. I know electric vehicles are due but it felt even before Covid that the group were not investing quite as much as they had; not Arriva levels of neglect but just a bit lacking.

Anyhow, I digress. We loved Aberdeen - it might not be fashionable and it has its challenges but we thought it was beautiful and intriguing. Hope you enjoyed this two piece travelogue

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The photos of Seaham's harbour are very pleasant. As I say, I think I am probably scarred from my single visit there.

Sadly, there aren't many photos of the former bus station but flickr friend John Carter perhaps provides the best view; it was dark and dank and invested by feral teenagers at almost all times. Truly awful. They have thrown some money at enhancing the town evidently and the bus station's demise was really no loss.

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Some new travelling for me but this time, it was as I was without a car and with my better half so very much aimed at a more leisurely experience. This might be of interest to @GusB and @Jordan Adam as I was in the North East corner of Scotland in Aberdeen(shire). It's really two half days but with some added extra comment at the end.

We'd elected to travel to Aberdeen without a clear idea of what to do. However, a chance meeting with some locals, apart from their incredulity about visiting the city, did illicit some clear ideas about where to travel. Hence it was a bright morning in Aberdeen as we had a day enjoying the X7. This is where part of the problem comes in (and we saw it with some other tourists). The X7 is an Aberdeen to Perth long distance coach service....every hour, and operated by Stagecoach Scot East's Arbroath depot. There are other short journeys down to Stonehaven but they're operated by Stagecoach Bluebird, I guess from Stonehaven sub-depot. Hence, the bus stops timetable displays seem to show not a consolidated list of departures but different ones for the two firms and that is replicated on bus times. Thankfully, I know the reality but even then, our departure didn't track and then it appeared. It was one of the Plaxton Elite Interdecks that work the service, now repainted in awful yellow. Yellow was the theme as the X7 makes its way south past swathes of daffodils as we left the work of David Welch and his floral vision. Like a number of others, we were heading to the fortress of Dunnottar Castle, a notable ruin just south of Stonehaven. In truth, it's not a place to spend a day but we had a fine couple of hours exploring the fortification, perched on a rock looking out to sea. We then wandered back and made better time to the main road, enabling us to catch the imminent X7. Sadly, this was an e300 (!) which was a shame as the route hugs the coast. In the sunshine, it was glorious.

Our next stop was Montrose, once home to a Strathtay depot but closed under Stagecoach and now served from Arbroath. It's a curious place. The main street looked like it had seen better days but walk a street or two away and it's a very attractive little town. I can only assume that it's a dormitory town increasingly and the money is spent elsewhere. After lunch and a walk round including to see the football ground, we headed back and caught another yellow Interdeck north to Stonehaven. These are very nice vehicles but note that private regs now disguise their increasing age. We arrived in Stonehaven, getting off outside the Farmfoods store that, I believe, used to be the Bluebird depot until the 1970s. Stonehaven is a true delight and we headed to the renowned Carron Fish Bar that proclaims to have invented the deep fried Mars bar. We both got chips and enjoyed them on the sea front as the sun began to wane for the first time that day, before heading back along the sea front and into the market place to get our final X7; this was a Bluebird operated short and was one of the e400mmcs that were allocated to the 727 Airport service but are now seemingly found anywhere in their new local colours (but more of that later. Again, it was a beautiful run up the coast and then via the Park and Choose (not P&R - it doesn't seem well patronised and not sure of the choice either) before running back into the city.
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For our next trip, the bright blue skies (copyright @RELL6L) had given way to much cloudier, much colder weather. We also had a change of operator, being city based, with First Aberdeen day tickets being purchased. This was £4.40 each which seemed about right but more than the equivalent Stagecoach ticket. First of all, we decided to revisit the coast and headed on the 15 to Footdee (pronounced Fittie, I believe?) which is a curious gem. Amongst the maritime industry and support services, there is a collection of small streets and courtyards where fishermen and their wives and families used to live. It's not far from the city centre, walkable just but better by bus. We had a Wright Streetlite Max. It was perfectly fine - it didn't have the issues with jerky transmissions or snatching brakes but it did have the poor ride quality when it hit a speed hump and the emergency door handle....well, you know the drill! Footdee was a cold delight and after a walk past a former Armchair Olympian now in use as a cafe, we grabbed a coffee elsewhere to catch a 15 back. This was an Eclipse, slightly tatty inside but ok, leaving from the Beach Retail Park; the 15 performs a large one way loop to serve the sea front, Footdee and the retail park.

Back in the city centre, the challenges of the part pedestrianisation of Union Street and other temporary changes meant a slight stroll to catch our next machine. It was the 2 to Bridge of Don but we were heading only for Old Aberdeen. Sadly, it wasn't one of the many more interesting machines (e.g. Hydrogen Streetdeck, e500, Merc bendi) but was an e300, newly repainted but still with Northern Lights branding inside. Arguably, the best branding I saw on any bus - just on the wrong route. These aren't bad machines and we headed up King Street past the First Bus HQ which has some of the dowdiest, scruffiest signage for an HQ! We got off and then explored Old Aberdeen with St Machars Cathedral, King's College, the Snow Kirk, and many other interesting corners. After a swift pint to get warm before the bus, we wandered out where we caught another First Eclipse; this had high backed seating but was clearly a little bit worse for wear. It's too old for a refurb and it did rattle a lot on the cobbles but it does show that mid life refurbs are definitely an area where First failed.

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It was over all too soon and we were soon travelling back to the airport to fly back and the bus I've shown illustrates something that I found disappointing. I travelled on the two main operators. First Aberdeen are busy painting their fleet though there are still plenty of rather battered e300s and Streetlites with obsolete branding. The promotion is pretty haphazard and more so internally but it's not a bad fleet and looks to be improving.

Stagecoach Bluebird was more disappointing in many respects. I expect them to be better than First but the e400 I show is on the key 727 service; a route I used four times. The seats on this machine were threadbare - the worst I've seen in any firm and not what you expect. Also, I know the 727 has been hit hard by the pandemic and new electric vehicles are due. However, the e400mmcs are now used all over whilst you can find e350Hs or even B7TLs on the 727. Four journeys - four different vehicle types. The once good publicity is now gone, and is reduced to now obsolete posters in the airport terminal referring to the 747 and how this was the best service in Scotland in 2017. In fact, it felt that Stagecoach are on the slide - I've felt it elsewhere but perhaps more so here and not just on this service. I know electric vehicles are due but it felt even before Covid that the group were not investing quite as much as they had; not Arriva levels of neglect but just a bit lacking.

Anyhow, I digress. We loved Aberdeen - it might not be fashionable and it has its challenges but we thought it was beautiful and intriguing. Hope you enjoyed this two piece travelogue

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Interesting insight from an "outsider", i do generally agree with most of what you've said regarding the vehicles/operators. The Bluebird X7 short workings have quite a history and have at various points been renumbered back and forth between X6 and X7, it's often joked that each time a new person joins management the number is changed back... Logically they should really be numbered X8 since the Stonehaven Town Service is now the 8A/8C and the number 6 is used for one of the Westhill services. The Bluebird and East Scotland X7s do at least combine to provide a consistent 20 minute frequency over the shared section of route. The Interdecks are nice vehicles but very much showing their age and their reliability isn't great which is likely why you ended up with an Enviro300.

Although the FirstDay is more expensive than the Stagecoach Zone 1 DayRider overall the FirstDay is better value when you take in to consideration the actual network coverage. There is also the Zone 1 Grasshopper Pass (https://www.grasshopperpass.com) which is currently £4.75 and will get you on all bus services in the city including the Bains Coaches 305. First's Enviro300s are decent vehicles and they suit the Urban livery but sadly the interiors do let and otherwise pleasant vehicle down, if the past is anything to go by i wouldn't expect the interior branding to be removed anytime soon. The B7RLE you had is one of the former First Scotland East examples and they are notably more rattily and rough compared to the native examples.

Bluebird to their credit have been doing a good job of tidying up the interiors of it's older Enviros recently, i haven't been on 19378 in quite some time so presumably it hasn't been treated yet. With that said the SV58 batch of Enviro400s are well past it and i don't think a simple seat retrim and repaint will disguise their poor performance and unreliability, the issues with certain examples particularly the notorious 19373 have been documented on this forum plenty of times so i'll leave it at that!
 

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The photos of Seaham's harbour are very pleasant. As I say, I think I am probably scarred from my single visit there.

Sadly, there aren't many photos of the former bus station but flickr friend John Carter perhaps provides the best view; it was dark and dank and invested by feral teenagers at almost all times. Truly awful. They have thrown some money at enhancing the town evidently and the bus station's demise was really no loss.

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Some new travelling for me but this time, it was as I was without a car and with my better half so very much aimed at a more leisurely experience. This might be of interest to @GusB and @Jordan Adam as I was in the North East corner of Scotland in Aberdeen(shire). It's really two half days but with some added extra comment at the end.

We'd elected to travel to Aberdeen without a clear idea of what to do. However, a chance meeting with some locals, apart from their incredulity about visiting the city, did illicit some clear ideas about where to travel. Hence it was a bright morning in Aberdeen as we had a day enjoying the X7. This is where part of the problem comes in (and we saw it with some other tourists). The X7 is an Aberdeen to Perth long distance coach service....every hour, and operated by Stagecoach Scot East's Arbroath depot. There are other short journeys down to Stonehaven but they're operated by Stagecoach Bluebird, I guess from Stonehaven sub-depot. Hence, the bus stops timetable displays seem to show not a consolidated list of departures but different ones for the two firms and that is replicated on bus times. Thankfully, I know the reality but even then, our departure didn't track and then it appeared. It was one of the Plaxton Elite Interdecks that work the service, now repainted in awful yellow. Yellow was the theme as the X7 makes its way south past swathes of daffodils as we left the work of David Welch and his floral vision. Like a number of others, we were heading to the fortress of Dunnottar Castle, a notable ruin just south of Stonehaven. In truth, it's not a place to spend a day but we had a fine couple of hours exploring the fortification, perched on a rock looking out to sea. We then wandered back and made better time to the main road, enabling us to catch the imminent X7. Sadly, this was an e300 (!) which was a shame as the route hugs the coast. In the sunshine, it was glorious.

Our next stop was Montrose, once home to a Strathtay depot but closed under Stagecoach and now served from Arbroath. It's a curious place. The main street looked like it had seen better days but walk a street or two away and it's a very attractive little town. I can only assume that it's a dormitory town increasingly and the money is spent elsewhere. After lunch and a walk round including to see the football ground, we headed back and caught another yellow Interdeck north to Stonehaven. These are very nice vehicles but note that private regs now disguise their increasing age. We arrived in Stonehaven, getting off outside the Farmfoods store that, I believe, used to be the Bluebird depot until the 1970s. Stonehaven is a true delight and we headed to the renowned Carron Fish Bar that proclaims to have invented the deep fried Mars bar. We both got chips and enjoyed them on the sea front as the sun began to wane for the first time that day, before heading back along the sea front and into the market place to get our final X7; this was a Bluebird operated short and was one of the e400mmcs that were allocated to the 727 Airport service but are now seemingly found anywhere in their new local colours (but more of that later. Again, it was a beautiful run up the coast and then via the Park and Choose (not P&R - it doesn't seem well patronised and not sure of the choice either) before running back into the city.
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For our next trip, the bright blue skies (copyright @RELL6L) had given way to much cloudier, much colder weather. We also had a change of operator, being city based, with First Aberdeen day tickets being purchased. This was £4.40 each which seemed about right but more than the equivalent Stagecoach ticket. First of all, we decided to revisit the coast and headed on the 15 to Footdee (pronounced Fittie, I believe?) which is a curious gem. Amongst the maritime industry and support services, there is a collection of small streets and courtyards where fishermen and their wives and families used to live. It's not far from the city centre, walkable just but better by bus. We had a Wright Streetlite Max. It was perfectly fine - it didn't have the issues with jerky transmissions or snatching brakes but it did have the poor ride quality when it hit a speed hump and the emergency door handle....well, you know the drill! Footdee was a cold delight and after a walk past a former Armchair Olympian now in use as a cafe, we grabbed a coffee elsewhere to catch a 15 back. This was an Eclipse, slightly tatty inside but ok, leaving from the Beach Retail Park; the 15 performs a large one way loop to serve the sea front, Footdee and the retail park.

Back in the city centre, the challenges of the part pedestrianisation of Union Street and other temporary changes meant a slight stroll to catch our next machine. It was the 2 to Bridge of Don but we were heading only for Old Aberdeen. Sadly, it wasn't one of the many more interesting machines (e.g. Hydrogen Streetdeck, e500, Merc bendi) but was an e300, newly repainted but still with Northern Lights branding inside. Arguably, the best branding I saw on any bus - just on the wrong route. These aren't bad machines and we headed up King Street past the First Bus HQ which has some of the dowdiest, scruffiest signage for an HQ! We got off and then explored Old Aberdeen with St Machars Cathedral, King's College, the Snow Kirk, and many other interesting corners. After a swift pint to get warm before the bus, we wandered out where we caught another First Eclipse; this had high backed seating but was clearly a little bit worse for wear. It's too old for a refurb and it did rattle a lot on the cobbles but it does show that mid life refurbs are definitely an area where First failed.

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It was over all too soon and we were soon travelling back to the airport to fly back and the bus I've shown illustrates something that I found disappointing. I travelled on the two main operators. First Aberdeen are busy painting their fleet though there are still plenty of rather battered e300s and Streetlites with obsolete branding. The promotion is pretty haphazard and more so internally but it's not a bad fleet and looks to be improving.

Stagecoach Bluebird was more disappointing in many respects. I expect them to be better than First but the e400 I show is on the key 727 service; a route I used four times. The seats on this machine were threadbare - the worst I've seen in any firm and not what you expect. Also, I know the 727 has been hit hard by the pandemic and new electric vehicles are due. However, the e400mmcs are now used all over whilst you can find e350Hs or even B7TLs on the 727. Four journeys - four different vehicle types. The once good publicity is now gone, and is reduced to now obsolete posters in the airport terminal referring to the 747 and how this was the best service in Scotland in 2017. In fact, it felt that Stagecoach are on the slide - I've felt it elsewhere but perhaps more so here and not just on this service. I know electric vehicles are due but it felt even before Covid that the group were not investing quite as much as they had; not Arriva levels of neglect but just a bit lacking.

Anyhow, I digress. We loved Aberdeen - it might not be fashionable and it has its challenges but we thought it was beautiful and intriguing. Hope you enjoyed this two piece travelogue

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Thanks for posting this interesting report. Hardly ever been to Aberdeen and probably not that likely to in the short term although we would like to explore more of Scotland - unlikely to be by bus though. Some interesting things to explore in the area, I’ve not been on an Interdeck, an E500 or a hydrogen bus. Interesting comparison between First and Stagecoach. It certainly appears increasingly that Stagecoach standards are slipping and I really don’t get the yellow livery although I am OK with the ‘local’ colours. First at least are still better than Arriva but that’s not a high bar. Some great pictures too, thanks for sharing.
 

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I've never posted a trip report before, but I've been somewhat spurred on by the above and I'll tentatively test the waters by sharing a microtrip with you (that sounds rather dodgy when I read it back now - oops!)

The rigmarole of processing my late father's estate continues, and I found myself having to make the relatively short trip from my home to Nairn, where I had an appointment with the estate agent. I had a slightly later than planned start to the day, but I set off just before 11.00, giving me plenty of time to make the appointment at 13.30.

The 32 from Hopeman to Elgin was due at 10.57 from my local stop, and it was no great surprise that the usual Enviro 200 turned up. What did surprise me was how busy the bus was; it was mainly pensioners, but nonetheless it was pleasing to see it busier than it had been pre-pandemic. 36034 was reasonably well-presented in Beachball livery and, despite its advancing years, provided a smooth journey into town. Arrival in Elgin was a few minutes late, but the fact that there were three sets of light-controlled roadworks didn't help things. I had given myself room for potential delays anyway, and it meant that I didn't have to wait very long for the 10 to Nairn. I did have enough time to pop into Aldi to where I acquired a triple all-day breakfast sandwich and a bottle of juice.

I had hummed and hawed a bit as to whether I should catch the 11.40, or wait for the 12.10; the former was one of the SK68 intake of Enviro 200MMCs that do the short Elgin to Inverness workings, while the latter would probably have been one of the Elites. There's always a risk that a journey that originates in Aberdeen might hit some unforeseen delay along the way, so I opted for the safer option and very soon found myself regretting my decision as the bus was driven at A-road speeds speeds and was quite literally screaming for an extra gear (or two!) In all fairness, these buses are always very smooth through the gears and we made good progress. My only other niggle was that there seemed to be a bit of differential-howl; something I wouldn't normally expect from such a young vehicle. Perhaps being driven hard along the A96 is the main issue here.

Arrival in Nairn was probably a minute or two early, and perfect timing for the X12 getting in from Inverness to take me up to Lochloy. Now this is where my first major gripe kicks in; having paid for a Bluebird Explorer that's valid all the way to Inverness, having to spend an extra £3.30 return for a short local journey felt a bit much. Yes, I know it's over the border into Highland territory and therefore isn't technically a Bluebird service, but it still stung a bit. I could have walked if I could have been bothered! The thinking could be a little more joined-up here. 19040 provided the transport for this short leg - I presume there must be a school run involved somewhere, as a decker was complete overkill. I noticed a similar driveline howl to that which I'd heard in the MMC.

Hitherto, everything had worked out fairly well. I got to the house, ate my brunch and admitted the estate agent at the agreed time. The return journey, however, was not quite so smooth. When the old man was still around, I had choice of two local services in Nairn; the 20, which literally went round all the houses, and the 11 which was an Inverness to Nairn service which was extended to serve the housing estate where he lived. I knew there had been some tweaks, but it has been nearly two and a half years. I walked to the stop in time to catch the bus back into Nairn. It arrived on time, but the driver queried my ticket and asked me where I was going. This puzzled me slightly, as I had thought I only had the option to go back into the centre of Nairn. Not so - apparently it now goes to Sainsbury's, turns there, comes back along the road, does the same loop around the housing estate, stops at the same stop I was left at for 10 minutes then goes back into Nairn! Same bus, same driver, same freezing cold wind coming in from the sea..

I think you can probably see where I'm going with this! Okay, so the route has recently changed and I hadn't realised to what extent. The journey planner was playing up, both on the web and the app. There was no information at the stop. I couldn't download the PDF timetable without knowing exactly which route number I needed. I had a vague idea, but everything was bthrodn into confusion for a brief moment. Any driver I'd previously encountered on the route would have shrugged, said they were eventually going where I wanted to go and would have let me on anyway. Even had I decided that I just wanted to go to Sainsbury's I might have been able to make the earlier 10 back to Elgin. Aaaaaargh!

Anyway, in the time it took for the X12 to get to Sainsbury's and back, I had muttered "it's not his fault" under my breath a few times and satisfied myself by telling him that his boss needed a swift kick up the backside. He nodded in agreement and all was well once more! I had arrived at the 'bus station' with 45 minutes to spare before the next 10 (that awkward gap when a half-hourly service stops being so - pesky kids again, one would assume). A large latte from the Co-op's Costa machine provided some much needed temporary warmth while I waited, and the blast of heat as I boarded Volvo / Elite 54834 was just what I needed to defrost properly. I remain very impressed with these coaches, and it's a far superior experience to having to endure a screaming Voith gearbox!

The final leg back home was aboard rattlebox Solo 47568. It had an impressive turn of speed and absolutely romped up hills, but there's nothing else good to say about this horrendous thing. This post has a more complete description: https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...lic-registered-bus-routes.230490/post-5632849

Overall it was a nice jaunt, and the first time I've used an Explorer ticket in a while. It was good to see some decent loadings on some of the journeys too - long may this continue.
 

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I've never posted a trip report before, but I've been somewhat spurred on by the above and I'll tentatively test the waters by sharing a microtrip with you (that sounds rather dodgy when I read it back now - oops!)

The rigmarole of processing my late father's estate continues, and I found myself having to make the relatively short trip from my home to Nairn, where I had an appointment with the estate agent. I had a slightly later than planned start to the day, but I set off just before 11.00, giving me plenty of time to make the appointment at 13.30.

The 32 from Hopeman to Elgin was due at 10.57 from my local stop, and it was no great surprise that the usual Enviro 200 turned up. What did surprise me was how busy the bus was; it was mainly pensioners, but nonetheless it was pleasing to see it busier than it had been pre-pandemic. 36034 was reasonably well-presented in Beachball livery and, despite its advancing years, provided a smooth journey into town. Arrival in Elgin was a few minutes late, but the fact that there were three sets of light-controlled roadworks didn't help things. I had given myself room for potential delays anyway, and it meant that I didn't have to wait very long for the 10 to Nairn. I did have enough time to pop into Aldi to where I acquired a triple all-day breakfast sandwich and a bottle of juice.

I had hummed and hawed a bit as to whether I should catch the 11.40, or wait for the 12.10; the former was one of the SK68 intake of Enviro 200MMCs that do the short Elgin to Inverness workings, while the latter would probably have been one of the Elites. There's always a risk that a journey that originates in Aberdeen might hit some unforeseen delay along the way, so I opted for the safer option and very soon found myself regretting my decision as the bus was driven at A-road speeds speeds and was quite literally screaming for an extra gear (or two!) In all fairness, these buses are always very smooth through the gears and we made good progress. My only other niggle was that there seemed to be a bit of differential-howl; something I wouldn't normally expect from such a young vehicle. Perhaps being driven hard along the A96 is the main issue here.

Arrival in Nairn was probably a minute or two early, and perfect timing for the X12 getting in from Inverness to take me up to Lochloy. Now this is where my first major gripe kicks in; having paid for a Bluebird Explorer that's valid all the way to Inverness, having to spend an extra £3.30 return for a short local journey felt a bit much. Yes, I know it's over the border into Highland territory and therefore isn't technically a Bluebird service, but it still stung a bit. I could have walked if I could have been bothered! The thinking could be a little more joined-up here. 19040 provided the transport for this short leg - I presume there must be a school run involved somewhere, as a decker was complete overkill. I noticed a similar driveline howl to that which I'd heard in the MMC.

Hitherto, everything had worked out fairly well. I got to the house, ate my brunch and admitted the estate agent at the agreed time. The return journey, however, was not quite so smooth. When the old man was still around, I had choice of two local services in Nairn; the 20, which literally went round all the houses, and the 11 which was an Inverness to Nairn service which was extended to serve the housing estate where he lived. I knew there had been some tweaks, but it has been nearly two and a half years. I walked to the stop in time to catch the bus back into Nairn. It arrived on time, but the driver queried my ticket and asked me where I was going. This puzzled me slightly, as I had thought I only had the option to go back into the centre of Nairn. Not so - apparently it now goes to Sainsbury's, turns there, comes back along the road, does the same loop around the housing estate, stops at the same stop I was left at for 10 minutes then goes back into Nairn! Same bus, same driver, same freezing cold wind coming in from the sea..

I think you can probably see where I'm going with this! Okay, so the route has recently changed and I hadn't realised to what extent. The journey planner was playing up, both on the web and the app. There was no information at the stop. I couldn't download the PDF timetable without knowing exactly which route number I needed. I had a vague idea, but everything was bthrodn into confusion for a brief moment. Any driver I'd previously encountered on the route would have shrugged, said they were eventually going where I wanted to go and would have let me on anyway. Even had I decided that I just wanted to go to Sainsbury's I might have been able to make the earlier 10 back to Elgin. Aaaaaargh!

Anyway, in the time it took for the X12 to get to Sainsbury's and back, I had muttered "it's not his fault" under my breath a few times and satisfied myself by telling him that his boss needed a swift kick up the backside. He nodded in agreement and all was well once more! I had arrived at the 'bus station' with 45 minutes to spare before the next 10 (that awkward gap when a half-hourly service stops being so - pesky kids again, one would assume). A large latte from the Co-op's Costa machine provided some much needed temporary warmth while I waited, and the blast of heat as I boarded Volvo / Elite 54834 was just what I needed to defrost properly. I remain very impressed with these coaches, and it's a far superior experience to having to endure a screaming Voith gearbox!

The final leg back home was aboard rattlebox Solo 47568. It had an impressive turn of speed and absolutely romped up hills, but there's nothing else good to say about this horrendous thing. This post has a more complete description: https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...lic-registered-bus-routes.230490/post-5632849

Overall it was a nice jaunt, and the first time I've used an Explorer ticket in a while. It was good to see some decent loadings on some of the journeys too - long may this continue.
Good to see another contemporary report from a new source- thank you for posting. I don’t really know the area or the operators even less the specific vehicles but always interesting.

Many years ago -1980s probably- I did Inverness to Perth to Dundee to Aberdeen to Elgin (via Banff) to Inverness. Don’t remember any vehicles (probably all Leopards) or much about the places, although it was summer I am sure it was dark by the time I got back as far as Elgin. I would love to do the Moray coast again on a decker!
 

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Good to see another contemporary report from a new source- thank you for posting. I don’t really know the area or the operators even less the specific vehicles but always interesting.

Many years ago -1980s probably- I did Inverness to Perth to Dundee to Aberdeen to Elgin (via Banff) to Inverness. Don’t remember any vehicles (probably all Leopards) or much about the places, although it was summer I am sure it was dark by the time I got back as far as Elgin. I would love to do the Moray coast again on a decker!
Thank you for your comments! :)

Today you'd still be able to make much of that journey on one £14 ticket; from Dundee, up the east coast to Aberdeen and on to Elgin and Inverness is all covered by the Bluebird Explorer. Unfortunately, its not valid outwith the former "Grampian" area, other than on the Dundee to Aberdeen (X7) and the Elgin to Inverness (10) corridors.

I feel this is a missed opportunity, to be honest - perhaps a "North of Scotland Explorer" for a few quid more would be a better option. They have recently dropped the price of the day Bluebird Explorer (during lockdown, funnily enough, when nobody should have been travelling for non-legitimate reasons, but let's not go there!)

Even at £40, the weekly equivalent ticket combined with a nice B&B or two, would make for a fairly nice mini-break.
 

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Interesting insight from an "outsider", i do generally agree with most of what you've said regarding the vehicles/operators. The Bluebird X7 short workings have quite a history and have at various points been renumbered back and forth between X6 and X7, it's often joked that each time a new person joins management the number is changed back... Logically they should really be numbered X8 since the Stonehaven Town Service is now the 8A/8C and the number 6 is used for one of the Westhill services. The Bluebird and East Scotland X7s do at least combine to provide a consistent 20 minute frequency over the shared section of route. The Interdecks are nice vehicles but very much showing their age and their reliability isn't great which is likely why you ended up with an Enviro300.

Although the FirstDay is more expensive than the Stagecoach Zone 1 DayRider overall the FirstDay is better value when you take in to consideration the actual network coverage. There is also the Zone 1 Grasshopper Pass (https://www.grasshopperpass.com) which is currently £4.75 and will get you on all bus services in the city including the Bains Coaches 305. First's Enviro300s are decent vehicles and they suit the Urban livery but sadly the interiors do let and otherwise pleasant vehicle down, if the past is anything to go by i wouldn't expect the interior branding to be removed anytime soon. The B7RLE you had is one of the former First Scotland East examples and they are notably more rattily and rough compared to the native examples.

Bluebird to their credit have been doing a good job of tidying up the interiors of it's older Enviros recently, i haven't been on 19378 in quite some time so presumably it hasn't been treated yet. With that said the SV58 batch of Enviro400s are well past it and i don't think a simple seat retrim and repaint will disguise their poor performance and unreliability, the issues with certain examples particularly the notorious 19373 have been documented on this forum plenty of times so i'll leave it at that!
Appreciate that the X7s do combine for that 20 min frequency; just that with two separate OpCos, they don't appear together on bustimes. Stagecoach does include everything on their PDFs though in fairness, yet at the stop by the Music Hall, only the long X7 times were shown (which I assume is a council issue). As an experienced traveller, I'd twigged what was up but some other tourists were a bit confused.

Just to be clear, I wasn't criticising the price variance of the respective day tickets and appreciate you do get more coverage with the First, hence why I said I thought the price was about right. However, I was really surprised with the state of Stagecoach's e400; it's not something you associate with them. Moreover, whilst I appreciate that the 727 is due new electric vehicles, the mismash of vehicles and the absence of the branding seems a retrograde step. It feels like the dead hand of corporatism - same with the end of branding for other routes.

That said, I did enjoy the time in the area and the chance to travel on two firms that I'd not previously experienced.

Thanks for posting this interesting report. Hardly ever been to Aberdeen and probably not that likely to in the short term although we would like to explore more of Scotland - unlikely to be by bus though. Some interesting things to explore in the area, I’ve not been on an Interdeck, an E500 or a hydrogen bus. Interesting comparison between First and Stagecoach. It certainly appears increasingly that Stagecoach standards are slipping and I really don’t get the yellow livery although I am OK with the ‘local’ colours. First at least are still better than Arriva but that’s not a high bar. Some great pictures too, thanks for sharing.
Stagecoach feels like it's just losing a bit of its direction. It's nowhere near the state of Arriva which is rudderless, and is piecemeal in terms of investment, but some Stagecoach fleets are looking a little middle-aged and there's a lot of elderly Darts and Solos around the group. I know they've taken a pause with Covid and understanding what will be required, as well as the various government schemes for zero-emission vehicles but they will need to get new vehicles arriving in greater numbers soon.
I've never posted a trip report before, but I've been somewhat spurred on by the above and I'll tentatively test the waters by sharing a microtrip with you (that sounds rather dodgy when I read it back now - oops!)
That was a super little report - glad you posted
 

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Decided make a move to the midlands and sample Staffordshire and the knot ticket. Apart from a brief stop in Stafford all the places apart from Birmingham were new to me.

Started off by taking the train from Birmimgham New Street to Lichfield City. to position myself. The bus station was a short walk away

Lichfield bus station to Burton upon Trent X12 Midland Classic E200

After successfully purchasing the Staffordshire knot ticket we made our way out of Lichfield and onto the A38. The A38 felt like one of them old school long distance A roads, even an Adult shop featured in an old service area. After a short while we trundled into Burton. I alighted on a road between 2 shopping centres where most buses seem to pass through.

Burton to Uttoxeter 401 Midland Classic Irizar 3

Decided on the 401 via Tutbury as my next move. I noticed there was 3 services at least to Uttoxeter and picked the next one going. The type of bus was an Irizar 3, never seen one of these before. Must say there is very little ventilation in these weird buses. The ride out passed the backstreets of Burton and the hospital. Tutbury seemed a pleasant town with a castle, before making our way west towards alongside the A50. I got off at the bus station in Uttoxeter, if you can call it a bus station.

Uttoxeter to Hanley 32 First B7TL Gemini

I didn't have many options from Uttoxeter, I think there was a route to Stafford. I decided with time on my side I would head towards Stoke on the 32. I walked to the railway station to catch the route from its start. Nice to find a double decker, always better for views.

This route wound its way northwest up to the town of Cheadle, I thought there was a Cheadle in Manchester! Nice countryside, just about the peak district. We hit some traffic entering Stoke and I alighted at Hanley Bus Station.

Hanley to Stafford First 101 Scania

Next move was to head south. As with most buses these days the bus pulled into the stand with a minute to go before departure time. This bus was a 2006 Scania Omnicity with an interior just like a Citaro It has been fitted with wireless phone chargers but my phone never works on them. Made our way South via Newcastle Bus station and Stone on the old school A34. The A34 must of been the main road before the M6 was built. At Stafford I alighted opposite the Sainsburys.

Stafford to Cannock Chaserider 74 Eclipse

Time to head South again and time to sample a new operator. Bit of confusion when I caught the bus as the destination display was not showing. Bus looked like it wa sex Arriva. This route continued down the A34 towards Cannock. I alighted at the bus station.

Cannock to Birmingham New St NXWM X51 E400MMC

At Cannock I jumped on the next service heading to Birmingham. This route went via Walsall. Still plenty of ALX 400s in Birmingham area. Need to explore the West Midlands a bit more and try some orange chips.
I had some tea then jumped on a very busy Cross Country service South.

Next up Flixbus.
 

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Decided make a move to the midlands and sample Staffordshire and the knot ticket. Apart from a brief stop in Stafford all the places apart from Birmingham were new to me.

Started off by taking the train from Birmimgham New Street to Lichfield City. to position myself. The bus station was a short walk away

Lichfield bus station to Burton upon Trent X12 Midland Classic E200

After successfully purchasing the Staffordshire knot ticket we made our way out of Lichfield and onto the A38. The A38 felt like one of them old school long distance A roads, even an Adult shop featured in an old service area. After a short while we trundled into Burton. I alighted on a road between 2 shopping centres where most buses seem to pass through.

Burton to Uttoxeter 401 Midland Classic Irizar 3

Decided on the 401 via Tutbury as my next move. I noticed there was 3 services at least to Uttoxeter and picked the next one going. The type of bus was an Irizar 3, never seen one of these before. Must say there is very little ventilation in these weird buses. The ride out passed the backstreets of Burton and the hospital. Tutbury seemed a pleasant town with a castle, before making our way west towards alongside the A50. I got off at the bus station in Uttoxeter, if you can call it a bus station.

Uttoxeter to Hanley 32 First B7TL Gemini

I didn't have many options from Uttoxeter, I think there was a route to Stafford. I decided with time on my side I would head towards Stoke on the 32. I walked to the railway station to catch the route from its start. Nice to find a double decker, always better for views.

This route wound its way northwest up to the town of Cheadle, I thought there was a Cheadle in Manchester! Nice countryside, just about the peak district. We hit some traffic entering Stoke and I alighted at Hanley Bus Station.

Hanley to Stafford First 101 Scania

Next move was to head south. As with most buses these days the bus pulled into the stand with a minute to go before departure time. This bus was a 2006 Scania Omnicity with an interior just like a Citaro It has been fitted with wireless phone chargers but my phone never works on them. Made our way South via Newcastle Bus station and Stone on the old school A34. The A34 must of been the main road before the M6 was built. At Stafford I alighted opposite the Sainsburys.

Stafford to Cannock Chaserider 74 Eclipse

Time to head South again and time to sample a new operator. Bit of confusion when I caught the bus as the destination display was not showing. Bus looked like it wa sex Arriva. This route continued down the A34 towards Cannock. I alighted at the bus station.

Cannock to Birmingham New St NXWM X51 E400MMC

At Cannock I jumped on the next service heading to Birmingham. This route went via Walsall. Still plenty of ALX 400s in Birmingham area. Need to explore the West Midlands a bit more and try some orange chips.
I had some tea then jumped on a very busy Cross Country service South.

Next up Flixbus.
Thanks for posting. The Knot ticket has attracted a few trips to Staffordshire. Not been on an Irizar 3, they sound like a strange cross between a bus and a coach. If you go to Lichfield again it’s worth finding half an hour to walk through the shopping area to the part round the cathedral, it’s attractive- certainly more so than the bus station! The 401 feels like it should have deckers, going way back to Stephensons route 1 it always did. You are right about Uttoxeter, not many other choices, Stafford or Derby via Ashbourne which does take you towards the Peak District. Stafford is confusing with buses stopping in several different places but I think the town centre is OK. Still not been to Cannock but not desperate to. In my day the last leg was so often the X50 from Birmingham at 21.20, invariably a VR. Keep travelling and reporting!
 

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Thanks for posting. The Knot ticket has attracted a few trips to Staffordshire. Not been on an Irizar 3, they sound like a strange cross between a bus and a coach. If you go to Lichfield again it’s worth finding half an hour to walk through the shopping area to the part round the cathedral, it’s attractive- certainly more so than the bus station! The 401 feels like it should have deckers, going way back to Stephensons route 1 it always did. You are right about Uttoxeter, not many other choices, Stafford or Derby via Ashbourne which does take you towards the Peak District. Stafford is confusing with buses stopping in several different places but I think the town centre is OK. Still not been to Cannock but not desperate to. In my day the last leg was so often the X50 from Birmingham at 21.20, invariably a VR. Keep travelling and reporting!
Yes, I never went into the centre of Lichfield. I am going back to the area at somepoint to do more routes.

Yes the I3 buses were strange, small but featured coach seating.

I may try the route from Stafford to Uttoxeter, Alton towers route so not sure if the knot ticket is valid.

I always try and get out and about on a Saturday.
 

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I may try the route from Stafford to Uttoxeter, Alton towers route so not sure if the knot ticket is valid.

The Knot ticket will be valid on the 841 by Chaserider between Stafford and Uttoxeter, but it is not valid on the X41 by D&G between Stafford, Uttoxeter, and Alton Towers
 

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Thanks for posting. The Knot ticket has attracted a few trips to Staffordshire. Not been on an Irizar 3, they sound like a strange cross between a bus and a coach. If you go to Lichfield again it’s worth finding half an hour to walk through the shopping area to the part round the cathedral, it’s attractive- certainly more so than the bus station! The 401 feels like it should have deckers, going way back to Stephensons route 1 it always did. You are right about Uttoxeter, not many other choices, Stafford or Derby via Ashbourne which does take you towards the Peak District. Stafford is confusing with buses stopping in several different places but I think the town centre is OK. Still not been to Cannock but not desperate to. In my day the last leg was so often the X50 from Birmingham at 21.20, invariably a VR. Keep travelling and reporting!
I think the 401 was indeed a decker route with Stevensons but the difference is that it was hourly whilst the 402 was only a few infrequent runs out from Burton and not all of those went to Uttoxeter. Now its half hourly between Burton and Tutbury so hence why singles tend to suffice.

When doing my farewell Arriva part of a Knot ticket 18 months ago, I travelled from Stafford to Cannock to Rugeley to Lichfield - aside from the latter, you ain't missing much!
 

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Some great reports. I have another to make but need to find the time first!

@TheGrandWazoo I have had the pleasure of visiting Aberdeen many times for both work and pleasure, and it is my favourite Scottish city by far. I've even been to the opera there! I still need to get to Braemar and Ballater at some point though.
 

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Burton to Uttoxeter 401 Midland Classic Irizar 3

Decided on the 401 via Tutbury as my next move. I noticed there was 3 services at least to Uttoxeter and picked the next one going. The type of bus was an Irizar 3, never seen one of these before. Must say there is very little ventilation in these weird buses. The ride out passed the backstreets of Burton and the hospital. Tutbury seemed a pleasant town with a castle, before making our way west towards alongside the A50. I got off at the bus station in Uttoxeter, if you can call it a bus station.

I was planning a Knot trip and wasn't sure if it was valid on the 401 as the route crosses into Derbyshire between Tutbury and Uttoxeter but it must be OK

I was planning a Knot trip and wasn't sure if it was valid on the 401 as the route crosses into Derbyshire between Tutbury and Uttoxeter but it must be OK
 

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I've not posted one of my 'On This Day in History' trips for a while, so here's one for you all from Saturday, 2 May 1987, so 35 years ago today. It's a bit of a 'cheat' in as much as not every journey was by bus - there was some car mileage involved or order to sample a selection of (mainly) rural routes which PMT had picked up from Crosville on tender at deregulation, hence the 'K' prefix route numbers.

However, I'm sure all you Bristol RE fans out there will forgive me. Oh, and there's an LH for @TheGrandWazoo to enjoy, too!


So, an early start to drive to Crewe for what turned out to be very much a day of sunshine and showers. First up - in pouring rain - the 0827 K32 from Crewe to Sandbach and back, in the hands of PMT 207 - PVT207L - an ECW bodied Bristol RESL6L.

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Two photos above showing PMT 207 crossing the Trent and Mersey Canal near Elworth, using a temporary 'Bailey Bridge'.

Back to Crewe on this bus, then, and off in the car to nearby Nantwich to cover the 1005 K70 to Wrenbury and back, in the hands of PMT 220 - PVT220L, this time a Bristol RELL6L, with similar ECW bodywork.

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PMT 220 at Wrenbury. The weather had improved a bit by this stage. No need to run, folks!

Back to Nantwich, and a trip on the same bus to cover the 1045 K47 Nantwich - Birchin Lane (return) local service, before we headed out into the countryside again to work the 1115 K63 Nantwich - Audlem and back.

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PMT 220 at Hunsterson Cross Roads. Nice 'finger post'.

Car needed, now, to return to Crewe in time for the 1255 K54 Crewe - Occlestone (return) worked by 'sister' PMT 219 - PVT219L - another ECW bodied Bristol RELL6L.

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PMT 219 at Occlestone

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... and 219 again, this time posed outside Warmingham Church on the return journey.

Time for a change from the diet of Bristol REs, sampling the delights of PMT 310 - GTX760W - an ECW bodied Bristol LHS6L, working the 1355 K12 Crewe - Coppenhall (circular).

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PMT 310 on Parkstone Drive (Crewe). The clouds are back, but the driver looks cheerful enough with their 'stick-box' steed!

Next up, and we're back to the diet of Bristol REs with PMT 215 - PVT215L - another ECW bodied Bristol RELL6L, this time on the 1425 K16 Crewe - Marshfield (return)

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PMT 215 booms into Crewe Bus Station, with a nice collection of 1970s / 1980s car in the car park behind.

And now it's time for my final run of the day, the 1510 K39 Crewe - Walgherton (and return), being worked by yet another RE, this time PMT 218 - PVT218L - another ECW bodied Bristol RELL6L.

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PMT 218 outside the Boar's Head at Walgherton.

Unlike many rural pubs, this one still survives, and the image below from Google Maps, dated May 2021, shows it has been significantly modernised.

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More history tomorrow, if I can find time.
 

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