The Ordsall Chord has become a bit of a white elephant, with just one tph. All these presumably hourly except Liverpool - Glasgow.
Also a Newcastle - Edinburgh semi-fast?
Indeed. I've updated my comment.
The Ordsall Chord has become a bit of a white elephant, with just one tph. All these presumably hourly except Liverpool - Glasgow.
Also a Newcastle - Edinburgh semi-fast?
What a disgrace 1 train per hour to Glasgow is shockingly bad considering LNER have London to Edinburgh every 30 minutesThe paths have been reserved (to allow for them potentially to be reintroduced in future) but in December they will continue to run as per today, i.e. alternating Blackpool North and Edinburgh services.
Isn't it just a measure of historic and current demand? The railway can't afford to run trains which aren't well loaded in either resource or monetary terms. The current timetables may push some of the demand to the east coast but is that such a bad thing when the market for London to Scotland travel is considered as a whole.What a disgrace 1 train per hour to Glasgow is shockingly bad considering LNER have London to Edinburgh every 30 minutes
Glasgow is the biggest city in Scotland and the 3rd biggest city in the UK it should have more services.Isn't it just a measure of historic and current demand? The railway can't afford to run trains which aren't well loaded in either resource or monetary terms. The current timetables may push some of the demand to the east coast but is that such a bad thing when the market for London to Scotland travel is considered as a whole.
Glasgow is the biggest city in Scotland and the 3rd biggest city in the UK it should have more services.
The demand from London to Glasgow is less than that from London to Edinburgh. Hence, unsurprisingly, there are fewer services.What a disgrace 1 train per hour to Glasgow is shockingly bad considering LNER have London to Edinburgh every 30 minutes
And, with all due respect to Carlisle, it doesn’t generate the volume of traffic as an intermediate call that Newcastle does!The demand from London to Glasgow is less than that from London to Edinburgh. Hence, unsurprisingly, there are fewer services.
Half as much demand, perhaps not. But rail is inherently inflexible in some ways, and there isn't really much of a half-way house between half-hourly and hourly. And half-hourly certainly isn't warranted.
That’s no way to plan a railway timetable. Where people actually want to go has to have some relevance…Glasgow is the biggest city in Scotland and the 3rd biggest city in the UK it should have more services.
Come now. If Stourbridge Junction to Stourbridge Town can have 6tph, London to Glasgow deserves at least 60tph.That’s no way to plan a railway timetable. Where people actually want to go has to have some relevance…
Come now. If Stourbridge Junction to Stourbridge Town can have 6tph, London to Glasgow deserves at least 60tph.
I'm still waiting for the Bradford - Manchester Airport service!The Ordsall Chord has become a bit of a white elephant, with just one tph. All these presumably hourly except Liverpool - Glasgow.
Also a Newcastle - Edinburgh semi-fast?
That service was always useful as it provided 3tph to Scotland on the northern wcml and gave Birmingham a service to Glasgow vice versa the 2 largest cities outside of London should have a lot more servicesAlso London to Glasgow (direct, not via Birmingham) always was 1tph, so, as long as that 1tph direct service is still present, it's not a reduction on what applied in the timetables of 2019 or before.
It was a popular service as it had cheaper tickets than the express serviceThat’s no way to plan a railway timetable. Where people actually want to go has to have some relevance…
That service was always useful as it provided 3tph to Scotland on the northern wcml and gave Birmingham a service to Glasgow vice versa the 2 largest cities outside of London should have a lot more services
It was a popular service as it had cheaper tickets than the express service
I think we can kiss that airport service goodbye to be honest. Right now I'd settle for a pre-covid timetable along the Calder, Aire & Wharfe valleys, all of which have seen cutbacks as part of Bradford's "levelling up". Oh, and will we ever see the 2-hourly LNER services to Kings Cross, or have they been quietly shelved?I'm still waiting for the Bradford - Manchester Airport service!
I remember the short-lived Northern service that used the chord and terminated at Oxford Road.
I think we can kiss that airport service goodbye to be honest. Right now I'd settle for a pre-covid timetable along the Calder, Aire & Wharfe valleys, all of which have seen cutbacks as part of Bradford's "levelling up". Oh, and will we ever see the 2-hourly LNER services to Kings Cross, or have they been quietly shelved?
The same can be said regarding Preston and York.And, with all due respect to Carlisle, it doesn’t generate the volume of traffic as an intermediate call that Newcastle does!
The same can be said regarding Preston and York.
Yes, i forgot about the crew changes.Preston has excellent connectivity and is more of a regional hub than just a station for what is a small to medium-sized city - sort of like another Crewe but somewhat bigger in itself. However, it's also a natural crew-change point, which is the main reason I'd say everything stops there.
Isn't it just a measure of historic and current demand? The railway can't afford to run trains which aren't well loaded in either resource or monetary terms. The current timetables may push some of the demand to the east coast but is that such a bad thing when the market for London to Scotland travel is considered as a whole.
The railway sold cheap tickets to fill up empty seats. It’s been mentioned several times elsewhere on this forum the government preference is to seemingly run less trains but with less of the ‘loss-leader’ cheap fares.
My initial thinking is that this sounds bad, but thank you for the heads-up anyway.Avanti West Coast
Manchester to London trains will pick up additional hourly stops at either Stafford, Nuneaton or Rugby (I imagine the 1tph via Crewe will do the Stafford call with the 2tph via Stoke picking up either Nuneaton or Rugby) with minor extension to journey times.
Preferably with a call at Worcestershire ParkwayAn hourly XC service between Exeter and Birmingham would be a start.
Preston can get rammed with Passengers coming from Blackpool Barrow Blackburn very qui kly. I suppose it has not got a Metro system feeding passengers into it like Newcastle has though.The same can be said regarding Preston and York.
The point I was making was not about the busy-ness of individual stations; more that it is more than the London - Scotland market that influences the cross-border service provision. Edinburgh - Newcastle and vv is a much bigger flow than Glasgow - Carlisle ( or indeed, I suspect, than Glasgow & Motherwell to all stations north of Preston combined).Preston can get rammed with Passengers coming from Blackpool Barrow Blackburn very qui kly. I suppose it has not got a Metro system feeding passengers into it like Newcastle has though.
Platform 3 & 4 at Preston seem to be able to cope with large numbers but 6 is very narrow when the Avanti gets routed on that side going south.
It's looking like it will be (subject to change):
Liverpool - York
Liverpool - Hull
Liverpool - Cleethorpes
Liverpool - Glasgow
Manchester Victoria - Newcastle
Manchester Piccadilly - Scarborough
Manchester Airport - Saltburn
Manchester Airport - Glasgow/Edinburgh
Newcastle - Edinburgh
Manchester - Huddersfield
Huddersfield - Leeds
Preston can get rammed with Passengers coming from Blackpool Barrow Blackburn very qui kly. I suppose it has not got a Metro system feeding passengers into it like Newcastle has though.
Platform 3 & 4 at Preston seem to be able to cope with large numbers but 6 is very narrow when the Avanti gets routed on that side going south.
I'm still waiting for the Bradford - Manchester Airport service!
I remember the short-lived Northern service that used the chord and terminated at Oxford Road.
Newcastle has a significantly larger population, to be fair. But Preston isn't just serving connections by rail, a lot of people drive there or go there by bus (more would do the latter if the bus station was more sensibly located).
Doesn't Preston claim to have one of the biggest bus stations in the world, even if the design isn't to a lot of people's likes?
building a new bus station at the back of the Fishergate Centre.