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[XAM2175]

Oh, are there any plans to include them in the future?

"For contractual reasons" would usually be read as meaning something along the lines of "we have agreed that we won't do that".

 

[Peter0124]

"For contractual reasons" would usually be read as meaning something along the lines of "we have agreed that we won't do that".

Ahh okay! Fair enough

 

[Tom]

"For contractual reasons" would usually be read as meaning something along the lines of "we have agreed that we won't do that".

More a can't do because some people are funny about it still (despite them being in the public domain) ... there are still movements to make it open to all though. Once that happens.........

 

[XAM2175]

More a can't do because some people are funny about it still (despite them being in the public domain)

Haha, always the way with these things!

 

[Peter0124]

Hi, any particular reason why the inward working shows for LNER trains but not Avanti? The diagram is already publicly available according to the Platform numbers.

The 1S78 train in December should be forming off 1A39 from Manchester Piccadilly but it does not say explicitly.

Avanti services never seem to show this unless they are booked to terminate/start at Milton Keynes for example but not at London Euston. Thanks!

 

[louis97]

Hi, any particular reason why the inward working shows for LNER trains but not Avanti? The diagram is already publicly available according to the Platform numbers.

The 1S78 train in December should be forming off 1A39 from Manchester Piccadilly but it does not say explicitly.

Avanti services never seem to show this unless they are booked to terminate/start at Milton Keynes for example but not at London Euston. Thanks!

Its all down to what is in the data. Some trains have associations, other don't.

 

[WizCastro197]

It may have been mentioned before but there are 43 pages worth.

Will Southern Thameslink or any other SouthEast operator join KnowYourTrain or Are they not aware of the site's existence or Aren't willing to sign any license agreement?

Or is it even up to the TOC or does RTT decide for themselves whether they should add it?

 

[Watershed]

Hi, any particular reason why the inward working shows for LNER trains but not Avanti? The diagram is already publicly available according to the Platform numbers.

The 1S78 train in December should be forming off 1A39 from Manchester Piccadilly but it does not say explicitly.

Avanti services never seem to show this unless they are booked to terminate/start at Milton Keynes for example but not at London Euston. Thanks!

It's to do with the lack of association data for those Avanti workings. Generally Avanti don't do associations at Euston, I presume because the platform allocation is 'determinitive'.

 

[Peter0124]

It's to do with the lack of association data for those Avanti workings. Generally Avanti don't do associations at Euston, I presume because the platform allocation is 'determinitive'.

I suppose it would be that they're more likely to be swapped around on the fly whereas LNER have different sets (eg 800, 801, IC225) so generally stick to their diagrams.

 

[XAM2175]

Will Southern Thameslink or any other SouthEast operator join KnowYourTrain or Are they not aware of the site's existence or Aren't willing to sign any license agreement?

Or is it even up to the TOC or does RTT decide for themselves whether they should add it?

It is entirely at the TOC's discretion. There's never been any notice given to the public when any of the previous TOCs started providing data, so the best indication that SN or TL or SE have joined the scheme is when their allocations start appearing.

I suppose it would be that they're more likely to be swapped around on the fly whereas LNER have different sets (eg 800, 801, IC225) so generally stick to their diagrams.

Yes, Avanti often exercise the freedom to reallocate units at Euston on short notice.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Don't trust the inward workings. It's often completely wrong and will link to a different unit altogether. Particularly for ScotRail at Glasgow Central, I've noticed.

Something I've noticed about Know Your Train is that for Transport for Wales' 67+MK4 sets, it will show either a labelled picture diagram of the 67 and MK4 set, or the locomotive number, but never both. It seems a lottery as to which is shown. Obviously I'd rather see the number, while I assume most non-enthusiasts would prefer the diagram.

Not that I know many non-enthusiasts that find RTT easy to use, despite me constantly telling them how horrendous National Rail Enquiries is.

 

[Peter0124]

I suppose however here's a random Niche fact I found whilst looking at Realtime Trains:

According to RealtimeTrains platform data:
The planned diagrams of weekday Avanti services from Dec 2022 suggest 60% of Manchester to London Euston trains appear in Glasgow the same day.

Rises to 81% if you only include departures between 1135 and 1835 inc.

Of course that would be if sets didn't get swapped around and stuck to their booked diagrams, and swaps are fairly common at Euston of course, but interesting none the less.

 

[FrodshamJnct]

RTT now looks to be showing set numbers as well as the loco - for example:

Realtime Trains | 1A26 1105 Leeds to London Kings Cross | 18/09/2022

Real-time train running information for 1A26 1105 departure from Leeds to London Kings Cross on 18/09/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[SuperLuke2334]

RTT now looks to be showing set numbers as well as the loco - for example:

Realtime Trains | 1A26 1105 Leeds to London Kings Cross | 18/09/2022

Real-time train running information for 1A26 1105 departure from Leeds to London Kings Cross on 18/09/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

This is also the case with TfW and GWR, which is a really nice touch!

 

[htafc]

RTT now looks to be showing set numbers as well as the loco - for example:

Realtime Trains | 1A26 1105 Leeds to London Kings Cross | 18/09/2022

Real-time train running information for 1A26 1105 departure from Leeds to London Kings Cross on 18/09/2022. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

This is also the case with TfW and GWR, which is a really nice touch!

I've also noticed this - very helpful, isn't it!

 

[XAM2175]

RTT now looks to be showing set numbers as well as the loco

This is also the case with TfW and GWR, which is a really nice touch!

Ooh, very exciting! And ScotRail HSTs are covered as well.

 

[357]

It would be nice if passenger services that run as required could be marked somehow in the simple view. None of the platform 2 trains in these screenshots are running today, but unless detailed view is selected there is no warning that the train only runs if required.

 

[Chiltern006]

add TPE MK5a sets and XC HSTs to that list!

 

[30907]

It would be nice if passenger services that run as required could be marked somehow in the simple view. None of the platform 2 trains in these screenshots are running today, but unless detailed view is selected there is no warning that the train only runs if required.

Fair point, but "Q" passenger workings are vanishingly rare.

 

[htafc]

add TPE MK5a sets and XC HSTs to that list!

great, isn't it! I won't need to make as many requests to the non-urgent TOPS thread now...

 

[357]

Fair point, but "Q" passenger workings are vanishingly rare.

Yes - it caught me out today! Vanishingly rare and excruciatingly annoying!

 

[_toommm_]

Chiltern has now been added and will show unit numbers

 

[Julian G]

Chiltern has now been added and will show unit numbers

Along with Grand Central and Hull Trains.

 

[liamf656]

Some detailed departures from St Pancras now have the added text “EMR Meridian”, similarly at Kings Cross saying “LNER Azuma”

 

[Andy Pacer]

Chiltern has now been added and will show unit numbers

Excellent that will be really useful!

 

[Techniquest]

Chiltern has now been added and will show unit numbers

Yeehaa! That is going to make my 165/0 hunting so much easier, no more wasted trips to Chiltern land Thanks for the update!

 

[Andy Pacer]

Yeehaa! That is going to make my 165/0 hunting so much easier, no more wasted trips to Chiltern land Thanks for the update!

Likewise. I only need 5 of them (one of them being the Hydrogen one) so it does result in a number of wasted efforts.

 

[Techniquest]

Likewise. I only need 5 of them (one of them being the Hydrogen one) so it does result in a number of wasted efforts.

Nice, my wants are somewhat more than that as you can see below, with a copy-paste directly from my mainline wants list:

165003/007/011/015/017/022/023/025/
034/036/037/039

I am rarely on territory covered by 165s, to be fair, and there is always something more exciting to do. Still, it looks rather likely I will be factoring in a visit to the Chilterns in the near future now, I shall have to ensure it is done around peak time to maximise scores. Something to research during the rancid weather on Wednesday!

 

[Peter0124]

Avanti Pendolino and Avanti Voyager show underneath workings now too.

What would be cool is if the unit allocation was shown underneath so you don't have to click on services. However I can understand if it makes the services clunky.

 

[Andy Pacer]

Nice, my wants are somewhat more than that as you can see below, with a copy-paste directly from my mainline wants list:

165003/007/011/015/017/022/023/025/
034/036/037/039

I am rarely on territory covered by 165s, to be fair, and there is always something more exciting to do. Still, it looks rather likely I will be factoring in a visit to the Chilterns in the near future now, I shall have to ensure it is done around peak time to maximise scores. Something to research during the rancid weather on Wednesday!

I was pondering some kind of rover for later this month - may be a Heart of England now!