I'm not including Crimea. I'm including the land within Russia that everybody agrees 'belongs' to them: this is what Putin was undoubtedly referring to when threatening nuclear retaliation if it was breached. People are still unprepared to take his threats seriously: we'll only learn when it's far too late, I guess. Dangerous maniacs have to be taken seriously, whether their name is Putin or Trump.Yes, earlier in the thread.
Ukraine have violated it several times. Crimea is 'indisputably' Russia according to them. It's bluster for domestic consumption.
Or UkraineI've been looking up the range of the S-300. I *think* in order to strike that part of Poland it would have had to be launched from Belarus.
I've just been on the daily mail website for a laugh.. 'Putin bombs Poland' or something like that.
Agreed.That rag is an inflammatory disgrace.
I've just been on the daily mail website for a laugh.. 'Putin bombs Poland' or something like that.
Most of the front pages tomorrow are disgraceful, and if it turns out it was not a Russian attack, some of them would have to correct their record.That rag is an inflammatory disgrace.
Instead, they imply the Ukrainians were responsible, a typical Russian ploy.Russia have got to say this was an error, a mistake, even if they don't apologise. And stop bombing the capital.
Instead, they imply the Ukrainians were responsible, a typical Russian ploy.
I've been looking up the range of the S-300. I *think* in order to strike that part of Poland it would have had to be launched from Belarus.
Belarus if launched by Russia. No Russian occupied part of Ukraine is within range, nor is Kaliningrad or mainland Russia, and in the case of the former any missile would almost certainly have been intercepted much earlier in Polish airspace regardless.Or Ukraine
The current Russian government has a tendency to blame anyone except themselves when they make a mistake, so I can’t see this happening. The shooting down of the Malaysian airliner over Ukraine in 2014 is prime example of this.Russia have got to say this was an error, a mistake, even if they don't apologise. And stop bombing the capital.
NATO has to do something or it will look weak, yet on the other hand any escalation is unthinkable. I'm going to bed tonight and I doubt I'll get any sleep.The current Russian government has a tendency to blame anyone except themselves when they make a mistake, so I can’t see this happening. The shooting down of the Malaysian airliner over Ukraine in 2014 is prime example of this.
It's certainly a worrying situation, but speaking as an imsoniac, it's not great to worry about all the things we can do nothing about.NATO has to do something or it will look weak, yet on the other hand any escalation is unthinkable. I'm going to bed tonight and I doubt I'll get any sleep.
BBC (Newsnight ?) reported a "usually reliable source" identifying the remains of a rocket motor as one only used by Ukraine. They did name the source, but my memory is not that good.The tone of the reporting has changed slightly: a russian MADE rocket is the terminology at present. (Both sides use russia made rockets!)
Perhaps that indicates a ukranian missile gone wild.
So far we have, depending on who you choose to believe:BBC (Newsnight ?) reported a "usually reliable source" identifying the remains of a rocket motor as one only used by Ukraine. They did name the source, but my memory is not that good.
This seems to have had no effect so far. Putin has very much underestimated the strength of revulsion Ukrainians have for Russia.It's in essence a kind of propaganda war - wear the Ukrainian people down so much they pressure the army to surrender.
Those don’t seem to have been a major factor in this war. Has their capability been eroded?Don’t forget the long history of Russian cyber attacks too.
That's it, sent NATO in! Finish them off!
Even if N.A.T.O. took action, and even if it involved wiping out Russian forces in the illegally occupied areas of Ukraine, it’s extremely unlikely that it would start WW3 or end civilisation as we know it.Yes, let's start WW3 and end civilisation as we know it.
Nuclear combat toe to toe with the Ruskies?That's it, sent NATO in! Finish them off!
The Russians are nasty, but they are not suicidal. The attacks close to the border thus far have been from their limited stocks of precision munitions, fired from bombers over undisputed Russian territory or from ships in the Black Sea. They seem to be using the dumb bombs more in the east.The concerning thing for me is that if this is a result of a defensive system in Ukraine, then Russian attacks are flying very close to NATO borders. This sort of thing could happen again and in this sort of situation could easily escalate. NATO for now are holding back & assessing it, which is the right thing to do. But tensions are high and rising, and as anyone who remembers the Cold War years this can lead to a lot of nervousness & risks itchy trigger fingers on all sides.