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I agree too, we should have a hopper fare similar to London but ours should be two hours to cover the lower frequencies.

In the old days in London, if you were curtailed short you’d issue the passenger a transfer ticket but no tickets are now issued at all in London.
 
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One small note from the past couple of weeks - St Brendans services SB1 and SB2 now appear to be picking up their afternoon movements at Stockwood Lane rather than on Broomhill Road side of the Bath Road. The vehicle allocation to these services is certainly eclectic, pretty much anything with two decks can turn up on them.
 

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One small note from the past couple of weeks - St Brendans services SB1 and SB2 now appear to be picking up their afternoon movements at Stockwood Lane rather than on Broomhill Road side of the Bath Road. The vehicle allocation to these services is certainly eclectic, pretty much anything with two decks can turn up on them.
Usually they pick up from the turning circle inside the actual campus. Either they've changed this or I have a feeling the case is that they are doing works on the coach circle at the moment.
 

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I was up in that area on Monday afternoon and saw two 48/49 liveried deckers on that route, both waiting at the Stockwood Lane stop. To be honest it did take me by surprise.
 

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Watching Points West last night and the "and finally" story wasn't a skateboarding duck from Nailsea. It was the story that James Freeman, ex MD of First West of England is now a part-time driver for Stagecoach in Winchester https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-64063984

The former managing director of First Bus is back behind the wheel driving buses around Winchester.
James Freeman retired from his role leading the company last March after almost 47 years in the industry.
He has now joined Stagecoach as it battles a nationwide bus-driver shortage that has seen thousands of weekly services cut this year.
He said buses provide a "really important social service" which make a "huge difference" to people's lives.
Speaking to BBC Points West, he said it was "amazing how many people say 'thank you'" when they get on the bus.
"When you do get out there (and) somebody gets on and says 'good morning' you suddenly realise that you were there for a purpose," he added.
Since taking a part-time job with the company, Mr Freeman has had to deal with freezing 05:30 GMT starts to help plug the driver shortage which has seen almost 10% of positions unfulfilled, according to the Confederation of Passenger Transport.
 

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Seeing as there are no buses running today (Boxing Day), there are still a few people waiting for (invisible) buses at the bus stops.
 
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Seeing as there are no buses running today (Boxing Day), there are still a few people waiting for (invisible) buses at the bus stops.
It's a shame that the First West of England Boxing Day services were scrapped after 2019, as the 1, 4, 24, 39, 48, 376 and the South Glos Lynx could have run hourly with the X1 and I'd even say the D2 could have been two hourly. Maybe Travelwest/West of England Combined Authority should take a leaf from West Yorkshire Combined Authority's book and base it on the Halifax Boxing Day set up, thus being hourly.
 
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It's a shame that the First West of England Boxing Day services were scrapped after 2019, as the 1, 4, 24, 39, 48, 376 and the South Glos Lynx could have run hourly with the X1 and I'd even say the D2 could have been two hourly. Maybe Travelwest/West of England Combined Authority should take a leaf from West Yorkshire Combined Authority's book and base it on the Halifax Boxing Day set up, thus being hourly.
Boxing Day services were a relaively new thing, the service increasing gradually year on year. The 376 started in either 2017 or 2018. Personally I don't mind a return to the more traditional service.
 

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Boxing Day services were a relaively new thing, the service increasing gradually year on year. The 376 started in either 2017 or 2018. Personally I don't mind a return to the more traditional service.
I agree, it's nice for the drivers to get some proper time off over Christmas, very few people need to use the bus on Boxing Day as most people stay local or only travel a few miles away.
 

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I agree, it's nice for the drivers to get some proper time off over Christmas, very few people need to use the bus on Boxing Day as most people stay local or only travel a few miles away.
It's hard there is obviously some demand for Christmas Day/Boxing Day travel as there are coaches running, so it would be nice if there was a non taxi way for people to get to the coach and for people to see family close by.
But on the other hand how the buses have been lately even if they were running people wouldn't use them for the fear of being stranded somewhere when 1 got cancelled.

On a different topic, but unfortunately merged into the last post! It is now shocking the services between Henbury and Cribbs Causeway. Used to have as many as 18 bph (5bph on each of 1, 2 and 76, and 3bph on the 4) from the Crow Lane roundabout (stops on all four sides) to Cribbs Causeway (within the last 5 or so years) now on an average afternoon with service cancellations you can easily end up with a bus at 2pm and nothing else until 3pm! Yes 18 was overkill! And the current schedule is for 4 services on the 1 an hour and service 2 every 40 minutes. In reality the 2 ends up turning up in both directions within a few minutes of the 1. Then with normal cancellations when two 1s in row are cancelled and a 2 is also, meaning the 1 that is running after the cancelled services get severely delayed leading to a stupid gap and people trying to walk 15 minutes to try and hope the 3 isn't cancelled either.
 
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Could someone in the know clarify, please, regarding travel from North Bristol to the city, on to the Airport on the A1, and then back again later the same day.
Looking at Family ticket prices...

The First Fares Guide https://www.firstbus.co.uk/sites/default/files/public/node_images/full Ticket Guide final_0.pdf has no fare, and basically says "see bristolairport.co.uk"
The airport website says the journey in Bristol to connect with the A1 is "no extra cost", on top of the Flyer ticket of £25.
First website says the A1 Family Ticket is £25, but to include (the only other option) West of England as well is £33.

So, m1/T1 to town, A1 to the airport and back, m1/T1 back home. £33 or £25?
 

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Could someone in the know clarify, please, regarding travel from North Bristol to the city, on to the Airport on the A1, and then back again later the same day.
Looking at Family ticket prices...

The First Fares Guide https://www.firstbus.co.uk/sites/default/files/public/node_images/full Ticket Guide final_0.pdf has no fare, and basically says "see bristolairport.co.uk"
The airport website says the journey in Bristol to connect with the A1 is "no extra cost", on top of the Flyer ticket of £25.
First website says the A1 Family Ticket is £25, but to include (the only other option) West of England as well is £33.

So, m1/T1 to town, A1 to the airport and back, m1/T1 back home. £33 or £25?
The current fares are listed on this page, and it states:
Tickets include connecting travel on any First Bus in the Bristol Zone onto/from the Bristol Airport Flyer, meaning you can make your whole journey for one great price.
Any journey from within the Bristol Zone on First Bus, so on the T1 any journey from between Aztec West Roundabout and the centre, and any journey on the m1, will be included in the £25 ticket price you quoted.

The £33 price if for if you intend on traveling on a bus further than the Bristol zone, which is shown on the map linked above.
 

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The current fares are listed on this page, and it states:

Any journey from within the Bristol Zone on First Bus, so on the T1 any journey from between Aztec West Roundabout and the centre, and any journey on the m1, will be included in the £25 ticket price you quoted.

The £33 price if for if you intend on traveling on a bus further than the Bristol zone, which is shown on the map linked above.
Thanks! I got confused...!

They could do with simplifying where the information is held. This page...
https://www.firstbus.co.uk/bristol-bath-and-west/tickets/ticket-prices says for the Flyer ticket that it
...gives you return travel on your chosen Airport Flyer service. Simply activate your ticket just before you board your first bus and show to the driver. Both tickets must be used within 30 days of purchase. Please activate each ticket separately prior to boarding the bus on each leg of your journey.

No mention of a connecting Bristol Zone journey!
 

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Article in today’s Sunday Times about students making money doing part time bus driving with a photo of a forum member. Hope this is legible..image.jpg
 

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It's interesting because the driver market is very rarely stable. The flow of drivers to HGV jobs has slowed to almost nothing now as most freight vacancies have been filled and few hauliers are still recruiting. A friend of mine who has worked in both industries says that demand for freight movements has also declined somewhat.

To get it back on topic, the fact remains that DC still has some serious issues he needs to address within the First Bristol operation to retain drivers once they're trained. It isn't just about pay, but also meeting reasonable expectations of staff, workloads and facilities available to them. I think the city also culturally needs to change from it's long established viewpoint that buses are an extension of social services and only provided for those with no alternative, which doesn't seem to be as much of an issue in similar sized cities across the country. First Bristol has relied too heavily upon student numbers as a captive marketplace whilst neglecting the rest of their operating area for over a decade now and that needs to change to return to a sustainable growth in passenger usage. The Combined Authority also have a part to play in developing a meaningful network and not just a few suburban services that go round in circles, there appears to be no strategic leadership there at all.
 

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It's interesting because the driver market is very rarely stable. The flow of drivers to HGV jobs has slowed to almost nothing now as most freight vacancies have been filled and few hauliers are still recruiting. A friend of mine who has worked in both industries says that demand for freight movements has also declined somewhat.

To get it back on topic, the fact remains that DC still has some serious issues he needs to address within the First Bristol operation to retain drivers once they're trained. It isn't just about pay, but also meeting reasonable expectations of staff, workloads and facilities available to them. I think the city also culturally needs to change from it's long established viewpoint that buses are an extension of social services and only provided for those with no alternative, which doesn't seem to be as much of an issue in similar sized cities across the country. First Bristol has relied too heavily upon student numbers as a captive marketplace whilst neglecting the rest of their operating area for over a decade now and that needs to change to return to a sustainable growth in passenger usage. The Combined Authority also have a part to play in developing a meaningful network and not just a few suburban services that go round in circles, there appears to be no strategic leadership there at all.
I'd say Bristol's network is pretty good compare to a lot of areas, but then I used to live in Fishponds so could never complain about the 48/49. Splitting the 19 at Parkway to create a new M4 service is a bad idea though.
 

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First Bristol has relied too heavily upon student numbers as a captive marketplace whilst neglecting the rest of their operating area for over a decade now and that needs to change to return to a sustainable growth in passenger usage. The Combined Authority also have a part to play in developing a meaningful network and not just a few suburban services that go round in circles, there appears to be no strategic leadership there at all.
Don't know if I fully agree with that. They have certainly targeted the student market and contracts though arguably that was all part of their objective in getting rid of Rotala, and by definition, much of their network was built on the old ULink operation.

They did do some good stuff with the Mendip Explorer launch - good publicity (though roadside was patchy), new deckers (granted, they were the Streetdecks) and the refurbishments, and the creation of the 174 albeit enabled by the ditching of the 184. However, the Mendip Explorer is also emblematic of the problem with First West of England. They decided to extend it to the 178, then dropped it from there. Then they finally recognised the problem with the Streetdecks, after many months of loans etc, and then replaced them with older and quite spartan e400s, along with removing the Eclipses. Then they decided to rebrand the 126 but Covid then intervened.

It's bumping along at best and since Covid, the changes have been regressive.
  • Bath depot operating the 171/2 so a dilution of the ME brand
  • Removal of printed timetables for a route that has a clear tourist market
  • The threat to remove the 173 was averted in favour of axing the 126
  • A gradual decline in quality so most journeys are operated by vehicles at least 8 years old and more often, 10-14 years old - the worst position since whenever?
Under James Freeman, there were some good moves and a bit too much fiddling with the West of England network - how often did routes change around South Glos, and some routes seemed to change with alacrity (e.g. X5, 19, 37, X2, X6.... I could go on). With Doug Claringbold, and I appreciate that he's had a difficult hand dealt to him, there's been a noticeable drop in reliability across the network. Yes, staff shortages have been more pronounced than elsewhere but there's been precious little fight to arrest the evident decline in standards overall.
 

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First Bristol has relied too heavily upon student numbers as a captive marketplace whilst neglecting the rest of their operating area for over a decade now and that needs to change to return to a sustainable growth in passenger usage
Absolutely disagree, at least in Bath the UniBus service has been abysmal for the past 2 or 3 years. Last year it wasn’t even usable, this year has improved but there are still random hour long gaps at peak time which mean it can’t be relied upon.
 

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Don't know if I fully agree with that. They have certainly targeted the student market and contracts though arguably that was all part of their objective in getting rid of Rotala, and by definition, much of their network was built on the old ULink operation.

They did do some good stuff with the Mendip Explorer launch - good publicity (though roadside was patchy), new deckers (granted, they were the Streetdecks) and the refurbishments, and the creation of the 174 albeit enabled by the ditching of the 184. However, the Mendip Explorer is also emblematic of the problem with First West of England. They decided to extend it to the 178, then dropped it from there. Then they finally recognised the problem with the Streetdecks, after many months of loans etc, and then replaced them with older and quite spartan e400s, along with removing the Eclipses. Then they decided to rebrand the 126 but Covid then intervened.
Mendip Explorer started out boldly, then gradually fell apart. First the 171 (Peasedown) and 175 (Shepton) shorts went and more recently Paulton is now lumbered with the abysmally unreliable 379 service rather than the previous 171 and 172 circuits. I think it could be reasonably expected that either 172 or 173 will disappear when the network is next reviewed, to return Midsomer Norton - Bath corridor back to the 20 minute frequency that it was at the turn of the millenium, pending the Combined Authority throwing BSIP money at them for a couple of years to run oddly numbered services which miss out most target destinations.

The Discover network similarly started in a blaze of publicity then gradually fell to bits, to render it less effective than the services it replaced.

North Somerset's network went through being Travelwest, then Excel and now Badgerline. Despite the local authority spending plenty of money on it from various pots of money, none of the marginal services have ever become any more sustainable and now much has been withdrawn.

Clearly none of these projects has delivered the passenger usage growth required, perhaps because of a lack of effort beyond painting some buses and changing route numbers, perhaps for other reasons. I therefore maintain my skeptical position regarding the oft quoted statistic that the operation (and region) had strong year on year passenger growth prior to Covid, because the continual degradation of services outside of Bristol doesn't support this. I remain of the opinion that this growth if it did exist was solely down to student usage.
 

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The loss of the 126 from Weston was the most grievous blow. Locking village (which once had a 30 minute service, and direct buses to Bristol and Wells as well as Weston) has been left with no service at all. The Parish Council are seeking a provider for a service 2 days a week, apparently similar to a service set up from Langford and Churchill to Wells.
 

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33927 has been working on the m1 this afternoon and evening. Aren’t the Metrobus routes supposed to be operated using dual-door buses? And it’s not a miskey for 39327.
 

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33927 has been working on the m1 this afternoon and evening. Aren’t the Metrobus routes supposed to be operated using dual-door buses? And it’s not a miskey for 39327.

bustimes.org did once report a citylines east (or red, not sure which of the two, but iirc the fleet number was 39402) on a m1, so not the first time a single door bus has done the m1 if that was correct
 

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Aren’t the Metrobus routes supposed to be operated using dual-door buses?
Meant to, but with the shortage of double deckers it’s better to have a single door double than a single decker or no bus at all! Possibly some kind of substitution last minute for a failure etc?
 

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Meant to, but with the shortage of double deckers it’s better to have a single door double than a single decker or no bus at all! Possibly some kind of substitution last minute for a failure etc?
They're surely were not short of dual-door double deckers yesterday, with a reduced (bank holiday) service? Reading bustimes.org, it seems to have entered service at Cribbs Causeway at 13:00 yesterday and continued to end of service; in the morning that circuit was possibly uncovered, as nothing tracked on bustimes that would fit into that gap.
 
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Mendip Explorer started out boldly, then gradually fell apart. First the 171 (Peasedown) and 175 (Shepton) shorts went and more recently Paulton is now lumbered with the abysmally unreliable 379 service rather than the previous 171 and 172 circuits. I think it could be reasonably expected that either 172 or 173 will disappear when the network is next reviewed, to return Midsomer Norton - Bath corridor back to the 20 minute frequency that it was at the turn of the millenium, pending the Combined Authority throwing BSIP money at them for a couple of years to run oddly numbered services which miss out most target destinations.

The Discover network similarly started in a blaze of publicity then gradually fell to bits, to render it less effective than the services it replaced.

North Somerset's network went through being Travelwest, then Excel and now Badgerline. Despite the local authority spending plenty of money on it from various pots of money, none of the marginal services have ever become any more sustainable and now much has been withdrawn.

Clearly none of these projects has delivered the passenger usage growth required, perhaps because of a lack of effort beyond painting some buses and changing route numbers, perhaps for other reasons. I therefore maintain my skeptical position regarding the oft quoted statistic that the operation (and region) had strong year on year passenger growth prior to Covid, because the continual degradation of services outside of Bristol doesn't support this. I remain of the opinion that this growth if it did exist was solely down to student usage.
I do agree with much of what you say though I just don't know whether the claimed 7 million extra journeys can all be put down to student travel.

As you know, I thought the recent changes to the Mendip Explorer are ill-conceived. The 379 running as part of the Norton Radstock to Bath corridor was disastrous in terms of service reliability when tried before. To do it again and expect a different result is the definition of madness. I fear that you may well be right in your prediction with the 172. The lack of printed timetable/publicity for ME routes when there is a significant tourist market seems very short-sighted. The 376 now has a cockeyed non-clockface timetable. It feels like it's being done for operational convenience more than a strategic objective in even arresting decline, let alone growth. The vehicles are now aging and looking down at heel, internally and externally. Yet when it was originally ME relaunched in 2016, they did do a decent job - there were the new Streetdecks, the Eclipses (and later the 5 Geminis) were refurbished and gained USBs, there was extensive internal promotion on the vehicles, plus other promo stuff in places like Wells. Think it is fair to say that they did generate passenger growth. On my local routes from MSN to Bath, it was rare to see a full Eclipse/Dart heading to Bath whereas, at least anecdotally, the need for deckers seemed genuine.

As for the North Somerset routes, the early moves were promising. The Express Yourself era seemed sensible enough and First was emboldened enough to put the new Streetlites on the Portishead routes. However, even in those days, we had the A2 and its ever-changing route and role. Moving to Excel seemed a rather pointless move, and yes, absolutely agree on the myriad of route changes, renumberings, the hoovering up various bits of funding etc. First was clearly culpable in that though they were involved with North Somerset Council, who is one of the most lacklustre local authorities I can think of. Where Express Yourself had good roadside publicity, including bus shelter advertising, NSC seems to have decided that they happy to take the money from external advertisers - seem to recall one bus stop near Pill that has had full advertising for new housing, some sort of eco electricity firm, an estate agent, and now a fire alarm business! Mind you, bus stop maintenance is appalling throughout the area with Covid notices and references to Crosville still widespread in Weston.

At this point, a return to the 126. Having actually not having done much (except a back and forth swapping of one board between depots), there was to be the Strawberry to rejuvenate that route. Then Covid intervened. Then to keep it, cut the 173 but then restore that and axe the 126 instead (if that is what happened?). Enter NSC and Somerset Council and an ability to really cock things up with any pretence at a sensible solution being sacrificed on the altar of respective boundaries. In that respect, at least Somerset did something in contrast to NSC's ridiculous ignorance of the problem in any sense.

Discover is an interesting one. A rather bold expansion against Faresaver on the Frome and Melksham routes so that they had 3 buses per hour (two First, one Faresaver) on routes that even back in the day were only hourly. I guess it really does emphasise that wheeling in Ray Stenning is not a guarantee of success! They did put in new bus stop flags (in some places but not others - some changed in Hinton Charterhouse but others not and I don't know why) and the vehicles were smartened up and the leaflets/publicity were good but again, it wasn't long before there was some fiddling. Was the hourly Salisbury extension reduced to two hourly in a year? Melksham was surrendered just before the first Covid lockdown. What odds that the Discover brand will be dropped in favour of standard Bath City blue, again for operational convenience more than any other reason? How the D1 isn't viable on an hourly frequency between Bath and Trowbridge, I just struggle to see. The closure of Westbury outstation was also a poor decision in my eyes, if only for contributing to further challenges in staff recruitment in Bath!

To my mind, there was constant fiddling and tweaking going on and to what end? It seemed to be a struggle to find some magic solution. I mentioned the 19 and the 37 but the X6/X7 were also prone to this. Same with the 179 that experienced the death of a thousand cuts.

With First now in decline management mode in West of England with Doug at the helm, luke warm local authorities, and West of England Authority and their hobby horses, it really compounds the wider problems locally that are seen nationwide.
 

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Don't know if I fully agree with that. They have certainly targeted the student market and contracts though arguably that was all part of their objective in getting rid of Rotala, and by definition, much of their network was built on the old ULink operation.

They did do some good stuff with the Mendip Explorer launch - good publicity (though roadside was patchy), new deckers (granted, they were the Streetdecks) and the refurbishments, and the creation of the 174 albeit enabled by the ditching of the 184. However, the Mendip Explorer is also emblematic of the problem with First West of England. They decided to extend it to the 178, then dropped it from there. Then they finally recognised the problem with the Streetdecks, after many months of loans etc, and then replaced them with older and quite spartan e400s, along with removing the Eclipses. Then they decided to rebrand the 126 but Covid then intervened.

It's bumping along at best and since Covid, the changes have been regressive.
  • Bath depot operating the 171/2 so a dilution of the ME brand
  • Removal of printed timetables for a route that has a clear tourist market
  • The threat to remove the 173 was averted in favour of axing the 126
  • A gradual decline in quality so most journeys are operated by vehicles at least 8 years old and more often, 10-14 years old - the worst position since whenever?
Under James Freeman, there were some good moves and a bit too much fiddling with the West of England network - how often did routes change around South Glos, and some routes seemed to change with alacrity (e.g. X5, 19, 37, X2, X6.... I could go on). With Doug Claringbold, and I appreciate that he's had a difficult hand dealt to him, there's been a noticeable drop in reliability across the network. Yes, staff shortages have been more pronounced than elsewhere but there's been precious little fight to arrest the evident decline in standards overall.
In what way is a 2012-2014 plate E400 any less luxurious than a Streetdeck? They have exactly the same seats & interiors. The E40Ds are a lot more powerful than the previous.

I do agree that Doug is having difficult decisions to make but overall the service is going downhill, lots of money has been wasted repainting buses into "Citylines" only for them to be moved on less than 12-18 months later! Citylines 3 & 4, 5 being good examples. Now it seems less than 3 years after the Citylines brand was introduced it's not going any further, which I'm glad as it was getting confusing Citylines blue and the 47/48/48a/49 being a good example. (I doubt it's due to finances as the BathCity repaints seem to be continuing at pace) They've given some of the E400 MMCs away from Route 1/2 to Wessex yet still have a mix of Gemini's and MMCs on the 1/2.

Another issue is the vanity Metrobus scheme run by Bristol City Council & other local authorities, where we've recently seen a split up of Route 19 between Parkway & Cribbs which I know a lot of workers living in Downend, Bromley Heath etc used a lot as I used to live there. Yet another example of a council trying to pretend they're doing something whilst making things worse for passengers. Looking at the network now compared to 2019 it's a very worrying decline for what used to be quite an impressive service, which I could only really compare to Stagecoach Devon.
 
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In what way is a 2012-2014 plate E400 any less luxurious than a Streetdeck? They have exactly the same seats & interiors. The E40Ds are a lot more powerful than the previous.
Because in 2015, you had brand new Streetdecks. They were then replaced by already battle-scarred e400s that were already 7 years old.

I do agree that Doug is having difficult decisions to make but overall the service is going downhill, lots of money has been wasted repainting buses into "Citylines" only for them to be moved on less than 12-18 months later! Citylines 3 & 4, 5 being good examples. Now it seems less than 3 years after the Citylines brand was introduced it's not going any further, which I'm glad as it was getting confusing Citylines blue and the 47/48/48a/49 being a good example. (I doubt it's due to finances as the BathCity repaints seem to be continuing at pace) They've given some of the E400 MMCs away from Route 1/2 to Wessex yet still have a mix of Gemini's and MMCs on the 1/2.
In fairness to the 3/4 vehicles, the repaint programme started just before the first lockdown and continued during the low period of 2020. I guess that those plans were already in place and no one knew what the future held in terms of passenger volumes and the PVR. The 5 was always more difficult to justify having deckers on there.

The programme continued under Claringbold with the 75/76 Cityline blue being done but I think only because it was planned. It does seem to have been abandoned - one vehicle was done in Citylines 1/2 (after it needed repainting following removal of a wrap IIRC) but that went to Weston. As for giving away mmcs to Wessex (and two to Cymru), it was allegedly because Wessex needed better, newer vehicles for the Jurassic Coaster than the original 08 plate B9s. With a reduced PVR on the 1/2, it does make some sense.

However, it's the overall service quality that is really struggling. There's no confidence that your bus will turn up. If it does, they're filthy and with signs of accident damage being repaired. Standards are noticeably lower.

Another issue is the vanity Metrobus scheme run by Bristol City Council & other local authorities, where we've recently seen a split up of Route 19 between Parkway & Cribbs which I know a lot of workers living in Downend, Bromley Heath etc used a lot as I used to live there. Yet another example of a council trying to pretend they're doing something whilst making things worse for passengers. Looking at the network now compared to 2019 it's a very worrying decline for what used to be quite an impressive service, which I could only really compare to Stagecoach Devon.
The problem with Metrobus is that it was a road-building scheme being disguised as a bus priority scheme. The South Bristol Route is testimony to that, as is the Stoke Bishop bypass. Even some of the bus-only stuff is batship* crazy such as the flyover from Long Ashton P&R. As for the 19, it's all part of the hub idea, and channelling people onto other services in a very European manner. More worrying is the decline in core routes - that you can have a scheduled 20 min gap in services from Kingswood to the Centre is unbelievable.
 

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In what way is a 2012-2014 plate E400 any less luxurious than a Streetdeck? They have exactly the same seats & interiors. The E40Ds are a lot more powerful than the previous.

The 2012-14 E400s are uniformly awful things to ride on as a passenger. They clatter and bang noisily along with a ride quality that pulls off the unlikely combination of being harsh over the bumps but also wallowy. The ghastly plastic leather trim on the seats is falling to bits. The 2009 Gemini Volvos are considerably better to ride on.

I do agree that Doug is having difficult decisions to make but overall the service is going downhill, lots of money has been wasted repainting buses into "Citylines" only for them to be moved on less than 12-18 months later! Citylines 3 & 4, 5 being good examples. Now it seems less than 3 years after the Citylines brand was introduced it's not going any further, which I'm glad as it was getting confusing Citylines blue and the 47/48/48a/49 being a good example. (I doubt it's due to finances as the BathCity repaints seem to be continuing at pace) They've given some of the E400 MMCs away from Route 1/2 to Wessex yet still have a mix of Gemini's and MMCs on the 1/2.

Another issue is the vanity Metrobus scheme run by Bristol City Council & other local authorities, where we've recently seen a split up of Route 19 between Parkway & Cribbs which I know a lot of workers living in Downend, Bromley Heath etc used a lot as I used to live there. Yet another example of a council trying to pretend they're doing something whilst making things worse for passengers. Looking at the network now compared to 2019 it's a very worrying decline for what used to be quite an impressive service, which I could only really compare to Stagecoach Devon.
I can't disagree with any of that. The decline of the East/North Bristol orbital services over the past 25 years since they were first commercialised has been excruciating. South Gloucestershire Council's insistence upon splitting the services when First withdrew from services west of Parkway towards Westbury and Shirehampton was a gross misservice to the public and they have never recovered since.
 

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