Class 730 LNR & WMR Delivery/test Updates

[AJDesiro]

That seems more likely to me. What is the number in the Greater Anglia 720s? Those have less 3+2 than the GA ones, being a bit more like 323s in layout aiming to avoid 3 side airline seats.

One thing also of note is that 5.730 has two fewer sets of doors than 6.350, which would mean 16 more seats, 8 per doorway.

490 in a Greater Anglia unit, which means 463 sounds very much like the C2C layout, otherwise the same but removing the third seat on about 5-6 rows per vehicle.

Hopefully the number is a mistake, looking at the standard class seat numbers for the LNR units per the original order, 730/1s would have had 424 standard class seats, while the /2s would have had 367 seats in standard (there’s no first anymore of course so the figure would be slightly higher). Considering the figure stated is closer to the /1, I wonder if they calculated the number of seats based on the 3+2 /1s instead of the 2+2 /2s, either as a mistake, or hinting that 2+2 may have been cancelled, which would go against the seating configuration listed on the fact sheet.

 

[St. Paddy]

There's a WM 730 running up and down between Stafford and Rugby today but I've no idea which one it is.

730039

 

[1D54]

Thank you.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Hopefully the number is a mistake, looking at the standard class seat numbers for the LNR units per the original order, 730/1s would have had 424 standard class seats, while the /2s would have had 367 seats in standard (there’s no first anymore of course so the figure would be slightly higher). Considering the figure stated is closer to the /1, I wonder if they calculated the number of seats based on the 3+2 /1s instead of the 2+2 /2s, either as a mistake, or hinting that 2+2 may have been cancelled, which would go against the seating configuration listed on the fact sheet.

Doubt removing 1st will add any, it was "sham 1st" like the 350s, which is 2+2 and near enough the same spacing as Standard. Just Sophias (!) instead of Kiels.

 

[AJDesiro]

Doubt removing 1st will add any, it was "sham 1st" like the 350s, which is 2+2 and near enough the same spacing as Standard. Just Sophias (!) instead of Kiels.

One thing I will say is that the Sophia’s looked more similar to the ones in 197s than IETs from observations on the approach to Crewe, though more standard will be appreciated.

 

[3973EXL]

37611 37601
730029/030

Realtime Trains | 5Q57 1013 Worksop Up Receptions to Derby Litchurch Lane | 19/06/2023

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[SeaKing]

What is on 5Q91 today. Many thanks

What is on 5Q91 today. Many thanks

 

[3973EXL]

37611 730041 dep 0951

Realtime Trains | 5Q65 1004 Derby Litchurch Lane to Oxley Car. M.D. | 20/06/2023

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[wickham]

Does anyone have a delivery date for 730025 ? It was reported at Litchurch Lane 03.03.23 and then at Oxley 01.05.23, I can't see anything on this thread to confirm delivery.

 

[3973EXL]

37611 730040 dep 0946

Realtime Trains | 5Q65 1004 Derby Litchurch Lane to Oxley Car. M.D. | 23/06/2023

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[wickham]

Many thanks for 025 info, this one seems to have generally got missed !

 

[JW4]

Is it still only 730101, 730102 and 730103 that’s been built so far of the 5-car variants?

 

[Silverlinky]

What is on 5Q91 today. Many thanks

What is on 5Q91 today. Many thanks

730014 was the unit of choice this week.

Is it still only 730101, 730102 and 730103 that’s been built so far of the 5-car variants?

Yes, the plan was to move straight to production of the 5 cars after completion of the 3 cars, so once 730045 is off the production line......

 

[45076]

730014 was the unit of choice this week.

Yes, the plan was to move straight to production of the 5 cars after completion of the 3 cars, so once 730045 is off the production line......

don't you mean 730048

 

[Snow1964]

Hopefully the number is a mistake, looking at the standard class seat numbers for the LNR units per the original order, 730/1s would have had 424 standard class seats, while the /2s would have had 367 seats in standard (there’s no first anymore of course so the figure would be slightly higher). Considering the figure stated is closer to the /1, I wonder if they calculated the number of seats based on the 3+2 /1s instead of the 2+2 /2s, either as a mistake, or hinting that 2+2 may have been cancelled, which would go against the seating configuration listed on the fact sheet.

The latest LNWR factsheet has 199 seats (3car) or 463 (5car)

https://www.londonnorthwesternrailway.co.uk/media/2630/download?inline

There is also update on 5car versions

We are hoping that these will start to come into service during 2023.

There will be 36 of these brand-new trains and we are excited to share with you a sneak peek of them being built:

The photos suggest doors and cabs are dark green

New trains

All the latest information about our new trains, including a shiny Class 730 fleet!

www.londonnorthwesternrailway.co.uk

 

[Bletchleyite]

463 is a 3+2 layout. So that's either wrong or they have switched back.

 

[AJDesiro]

The latest LNWR factsheet has 199 seats (3car) or 463 (5car)

https://www.londonnorthwesternrailway.co.uk/media/2630/download?inline

There is also update on 5car versions

The photos suggest doors and cabs are dark green

New trains

All the latest information about our new trains, including a shiny Class 730 fleet!

www.londonnorthwesternrailway.co.uk

That’s been on the website for god-knows how long now, the ETA just gets later and later each time. Realistically speaking, a single 730/1 has been tested on the mainline, 730103, I would be very surprised if they entered service this year, 2024 may even be too soon with how long the 730/0s have taken.

 

[SCDR_WMR]

That’s been on the website for god-knows how long now, the ETA just gets later and later each time. Realistically speaking, a single 730/1 has been tested on the mainline, 730103, I would be very surprised if they entered service this year, 2024 may even be too soon with how long the 730/0s have taken.

The 730/1 will not be this year, almost certainly. As they aren't even build yet I can't see them being in service in 6 months time. May 2024 possible, train crews will all be trained on the /0 so should be very limited extra training needed for the /1 when they come online.

Crewe based drivers being refreshed on 730/0 starting Monday

 

[XCTurbostar]

With July knocking at the door, how long do the 319s have before its all over?

 

[Mamorin]

Either way I take it the 730s will replace the 319s, then followed by 323, then 3502 In that order???.

Replacement order will most likely be 319s followed by 350/2s and then 323s.

 

[Liam L]

Replacement order will most likely be 319s followed by 350/2s and then 323s.

I believe that's the case. With 323s starting to be phased out in 2024. I do believe the 350/2 may last longer considering the LNR 730 fleet isn't ready.

 

[AJDesiro]

I believe that's the case. With 323s starting to be phased out in 2024. I do believe the 350/2 may last longer considering the LNR 730 fleet isn't ready.

Considering the current plan is that the cross city will be getting 730s around the end of introduction, it does seem likely at least some of the 350/2s will be gone before 323s - especially if the 730/0s fully replace 350s and 319s on Euston-Tring/MKC services first.

 

[The_Train]

I believe that's the case. With 323s starting to be phased out in 2024. I do believe the 350/2 may last longer considering the LNR 730 fleet isn't ready.

350/2's should last forever

 

[SCDR_WMR]

Considering the current plan is that the cross city will be getting 730s around the end of introduction, it does seem likely at least some of the 350/2s will be gone before 323s - especially if the 730/0s fully replace 350s and 319s on Euston-Tring/MKC services first.

Especially given depots that work 350/2 currently are being prioritised over the 323 depots

 

[Silverlinky]

don't you mean 730048

Quite right...48!

Considering the current plan is that the cross city will be getting 730s around the end of introduction, it does seem likely at least some of the 350/2s will be gone before 323s - especially if the 730/0s fully replace 350s and 319s on Euston-Tring/MKC services first.

730/0's are only replacing the 319's, they are a stop gap measure until the 5 cars come in. The 730's have been diagrammed only onto the 319 circuits until December. They will not replace any 350's until at least then.

 

[AJDesiro]

Quite right...48!

730/0's are only replacing the 319's, they are a stop gap measure until the 5 cars come in. The 730's have been diagrammed only onto the 319 circuits until December. They will not replace any 350's until at least then.

Ah, I see! That means I can still get some 350 action in on a travelcard for a bit longer I guess, and tick off my two remaining 350s for haulage, both of which are /2s.

 

[45076]

A quick visit to Derby yesterday and cars from 045 and 046 are viewable from Litchurch Lane and Osmaston Road.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Considering the current plan is that the cross city will be getting 730s around the end of introduction, it does seem likely at least some of the 350/2s will be gone before 323s - especially if the 730/0s fully replace 350s and 319s on Euston-Tring/MKC services first.

If the plan remains to use 6-car 730s in place of 8-car 319/350, a rethink will follow fairly quickly when they find trains turning people away. A 9 car formation is necessary, but I doubt enough 730s will go to the WCML to permit that. Thus I can't see many 350/2s being displaced any time soon.

 

[Silverlinky]

If the plan remains to use 6-car 730s in place of 8-car 319/350, a rethink will follow fairly quickly when they find trains turning people away. A 9 car formation is necessary, but I doubt enough 730s will go to the WCML to permit that. Thus I can't see many 350/2s being displaced any time soon.

Although there are fewer seats on a 730 than a 319, actual capacity will not be too much different as there can be a far greater number of standees on 730's. There will of course be the novelty value of travelling on the "new train" rather than the old one, but when it all settles down a six car will be adequate for the paths that the 319's currently ply. There are no plans to run 730's on the southern WCML as anything other than 6 cars, no 3's or 9's.

 

[SCDR_WMR]

There are no plans to run 730's on the southern WCML as anything other than 6 cars, no 3's or 9's.

Could've sworn I've seen 9-car stop boards up between MKC and Euston. Not to say there are any 9-car diagrams, but I thought there was at least the option. Correct me if I'm wrong though.