New National Rail website

[Adam Williams]

Darwin has started reporting loading data for Chiltern recently, so it’s likely based off that. How accurate it is to do with Chiltern, not the new site.

It's absolutely the choice of the NRE developers (or more accurately, whatever agency RDG have palmed this off to) as to how to present this data and if they know it's not live and/or is inaccurate then it's misleading of them to represent it as such without doing their own due diligence. It should come with a giant disclaimer.

Of all people, RDG cannot be hiding behind the excuse of "it's the TOC's data, guv, we have no control over it!"

 

[Benjwri]

It's absolutely the choice of the NRE developers (or more accurately, whatever agency RDG have palmed this off to) as to how to present this data and if they know it's not live and/or is inaccurate then it's misleading of them to represent it as such without doing their own due diligence. It should come with a giant disclaimer.

Of all people, RDG cannot be hiding behind the excuse of "it's the TOC's data, guv, we have no control over it!"

I agree it’s bad that it’s wrong, but it’s worded in the documentation to make out that it’s live, and we don’t actually know if it is or not. They are showing the data on the site as it should have been entered.

 

[Robski_]

I noticed on the live departures page today that my Chiltern service was showing "Few seats available". I assume this comes from Darwin? If so, I didn't think that Darwin had live loadings information for anything other than a minority of GTR services - so is it just a blatant lie based on historical average, manually collected loadings data or am I missing something?

It's absolutely the choice of the NRE developers (or more accurately, whatever agency RDG have palmed this off to) as to how to present this data and if they know it's not live and/or is inaccurate then it's misleading of them to represent it as such without doing their own due diligence. It should come with a giant disclaimer.

Of all people, RDG cannot be hiding behind the excuse of "it's the TOC's data, guv, we have no control over it!"

Chiltern do not report live loadings - only average loadings. The only operators to submit live loading information to Darwin at the moment are Southeastern and, as of recently, Greater Anglia.

 

[mm333]

The old NRES site allowed you to enter a postcode as the origin or destination to be shown the nearby railway stations. Is there a site that shows the nearest stations to a postcode?

 

[benbristow]

The old NRES site allowed you to enter a postcode as the origin or destination to be shown the nearby railway stations. Is there a site that shows the nearest stations to a postcode?

Google Maps - "Railway station near Postcode". Although I just looked at Paisley and it's still showing stations that shut in the 18th century.

 

[GWVillager]

Google Maps - "Railway station near Postcode". Although I just looked at Paisley and it's still showing stations that shut in the 18th century.

The 18th Century!? Did horse drawn tramways have formalised passenger stations then?

 

[benbristow]

The 18th Century!? Did horse drawn tramways have formalised passenger stations then?

Oops, +1 century to that

One of the stations listed shut in 1897!

 

[superkopite]

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[Deepgreen]

Frankly I don't care if it looks outdated as long as it's accurate. I find error after error on it - take station information details, for example - I have seen numerous stations with wrong and conflicting information (such as "Car parking charges are...", followed by "There are no car parking facilities at this station"!). There needs to be a thorough review of accuracy as a fundamental element of the update.

 

[pokemonsuper9]

It looks like either something went wrong or within the last few hours they took the pocket timetable (make your own PDF timetables from journey planning info) away?
I had this link bookmarked but now it doesn't work;
nationalrail.co.uk/service/pockettimetable/search?pbadv=t#pbadv

I was literally using it earlier and I caught it at the minute it went offline.

 

[Future]

It looks like either something went wrong or within the last few hours they took the pocket timetable (make your own PDF timetables from journey planning info) away?
I had this link bookmarked but now it doesn't work;
nationalrail.co.uk/service/pockettimetable/search?pbadv=t#pbadv

I was literally using it earlier and I caught it at the minute it went offline.

It seems to exist here in its original form: https://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/service/pockettimetable/search

 

[pokemonsuper9]

It seems to exist here in its original form: https://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/service/pockettimetable/search

That one led me to a 404 error (page not found) so I guess something's wrong on my end?

And the link on

Train Timetables | National Rail

Whether you’re planning a train journey today, next week, or next month, you can always get the most up-to-date timetable information here.

www.nationalrail.co.uk

Your personalised timetable​

You can make your own timetable and save it as a PDF document*. You can custom build the timetable to your own requirements, with dates, times and up to 3 departure or arrival stations. There are also options to show intermediate stations or services from individual train companies. You can see timetables for the next 12 weeks, and they will include any changes to previously published train times.

ALSO leads me to the same 404 error.

Edit: Deleting cookies worked

 

[lincolnshire]

How do you find future engineering work disruptions on this new crap site? It was easy on old one and worked perfectly, go down put date in and TOC,s area and bingo whats happening. If this the future of this site God help us.

 

[styles]

How do you find future engineering work disruptions on this new crap site? It was easy on old one and worked perfectly, go down put date in and TOC,s area and bingo whats happening. If this the future of this site God help us.

'Travel information' -> 'Future Engineering Works'

Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Edit to add: that page directs to https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/status-and-disruptions/ - which is directly linked from the homepage. Can filter by date/TOC.

 

[lincolnshire]

'Travel information' -> 'Future Engineering Works'

Seems pretty straightforward to me.

Edit to add: that page directs to https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/status-and-disruptions/ - which is directly linked from the homepage. Can filter by date/TOC.

It didn,t seem to work for me , will have to try again.

It didn,t seem to work for me , will have to try again.

I tried it and all it gave me was this weeks, I was looking for 19 Aug 2023 for Northern Trains and got nothing, will someone else try it out and see what they get?

 

[Intercity110]

I tried it and all it gave me was this weeks, I was looking for 19 Aug 2023 for Northern Trains and got nothing, will someone else try it out and see what they get?

I got EMR’s on the 19th. maybe there’s no disruption?

 

[bakerstreet]

One thing I noticed is that once you have found a journey and fare on NRE, the buy tickets buttons (transfer to TOC website to buy) now only seems to work if you don’t use the drop down menu to select an alternative TOC.
If you do use the drop menu to select an alternative TOC, ‘page not found’. At least that was the behaviour of the site last week.

 

[timothyw9]

I'm not a fan of how typing in a CRS code on the main page, if the list doesn't load in time, and you've tabbed across to destination station, it won't fill it in. Not an issue on any TOC journeyplanners. The fact that it takes more than a few miliseconds to zero in on the CRS code is pretty bad.

 

[py_megapixel]

In the journey planner, where walking legs are recommended, it gives a link to the "cycle policy" for the walking leg, which is actually just the generic "Train Travel with Bicycles" section of the main site. This makes no sense whatsoever. The journey planner is still old-style, so I assume it's always done this and it isn't the fault of the redesign, but that doesn't make it any less silly.

What is the fault of the redesign is that all of the cycle policy links for train services in the journey planner - the TOC-specific ones - are, maddeningly, broken.

Why on earth haven't they put the appropriate redirects in place? It's really not that hard!!

Also, some locations in the journey planner have been given more descriptive names - "Stone Grnvle Sq", for example, is now "Stone Granville Square (Bus)" - but if you select one of the renamed locations, it redirects you to a page where it tells you "this station is ambiguous" and directs you to select the old name from a drop-down list.

 

[MikeWM]

The journey planner *still* doesn't work on my iPad. When I hit 'get times and prices' it takes me to the service disruptions page, just as it did on the day it launched.

Does this still happen for anyone else?

 

[yorksrob]

Same for me as well on my android phone.

About time they got their finger out.

 

[Andrew Holland]

Does anyone know where the CRS code data can be downloaded from on the new site? The Darwin API SOAP endpoint documentation (https://lite.realtime.nationalrail.co.uk/OpenLDBWS/) says that it's available as a download from https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations_destinations/48541.aspx but this link no longer works. Anyone else know where else it can be obtained in CSV or some other downloadable format please (I need it for programming purposes)?

 

[CyrusWuff]

Does anyone know where the CRS code data can be downloaded from on the new site? The Darwin API SOAP endpoint documentation (https://lite.realtime.nationalrail.co.uk/OpenLDBWS/) says that it's available as a download from https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations_destinations/48541.aspx but this link no longer works. Anyone else know where else it can be obtained in CSV or some other downloadable format please (I need it for programming purposes)?

That page (and the associated CSV file) is available on archive.org: https://web.archive.org/web/20230521135241/Www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations_destinations/48541.aspx

 

[josh-j]

Same for me as well on my android phone.

About time they got their finger out.

On my phone it just closes the journey planner screen without going to any results when clicking the button after filling it all in. Same on two different browsers too.

Been like that for weeks.

 

[Andrew Holland]

That page (and the associated CSV file) is available on archive.org: https://web.archive.org/web/20230521135241/Www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations_destinations/48541.aspx

Thanks, the csv is dated as last updated on 7th Dec 2020, does anyone know if any new stations have opened (or stations closed) since that time?

I wonder if they are ever going to make this CSV actually available on the site again?

 

[bakerstreet]

Thanks, the csv is dated as last updated on 7th Dec 2020, does anyone know if any new stations have opened (or stations closed) since that time?

I wonder if they are ever going to make this CSV actually available on the site again?

Probably Reading Green Park, but also Portway Park and Ride, Marsh Barton - probably others too

 

[Andrew Holland]

That page (and the associated CSV file) is available on archive.org: https://web.archive.org/web/20230521135241/Www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations_destinations/48541.aspx

BTW the format of that data is appalling, whoever did that just doesn't understand what CSV is meant to be used for, why oh why does it have the data arranged in 4 2-column pairs for A-F, G-M, N-R and S-Y? Someone clearly knows nothing about importing and consuming data, why not just put it in a single 2-column pair, good grief...

Probably Reading Green Park, but also Portway Park and Ride, Marsh Barton - probably others too

Thanks, Hmm, wonder where I can get an updated list from?

 

[py_megapixel]

BTW the format of that data is appalling, whoever did that just doesn't understand what CSV is meant to be used for, why oh why does it have the data arranged in 4 2-column pairs for A-F, G-M, N-R and S-Y? Someone clearly knows nothing about importing and consuming data, why not just put it in a single 2-column pair, good grief...

Completely agree - in the past when I've wanted to use it, I've found it easier to just copy and paste the table from the website and then use the multi-cursor feature in Visual Studio Code (other editors are available) to add the commas in myself!

 

[Andrew Holland]

Completely agree - in the past when I've wanted to use it, I've found it easier to just copy and paste the table from the website and then use the multi-cursor feature in Visual Studio Code (other editors are available) to add the commas in myself!

Glad it's not only me then! If it helps anyone else, the CORPUS data is a superset available from Network Rail seems to largely do the job if filtered:

Open data feeds - Network Rail

By providing access to our data we help encourage the development of apps and websites that are of interest to passengers and rail industry stakeholders.

www.networkrail.co.uk

Have to wonder why they've made this so difficult to use and obtain though in the first place.

And BTW (and totally off topic) don't get me started on finding the station codes for Metrolink!

 

[GWVillager]

BTW the format of that data is appalling, whoever did that just doesn't understand what CSV is meant to be used for, why oh why does it have the data arranged in 4 2-column pairs for A-F, G-M, N-R and S-Y? Someone clearly knows nothing about importing and consuming data, why not just put it in a single 2-column pair, good grief...

Funny, I get it as a single 2-column pair.