WMR Class 196 Build and Implementation

[D.K.TAYLOR]

Excellent. I believe just 196113 and 114 left now to enter service.

196112 -113 -114 l have no record of 196112 working

 

[DannyMich2018]

196112 -113 -114 l have no record of 196112 working

Yes apologies you're right. I suppose with only around half of 26 units required daily there's no rush to get them all in service.

 

[Peter Sarf]

196112 -113 -114 l have no record of 196112 working

So. A month later. Which 196s are yet to enter service (hoping none) ?.

I intend to visit the West Midlands next week - so where are the 196s running ?.
I have been following the thread (amongst many others) so my vague recollection is :-
Mostly Leamington/Stratford through Moor Street to Stourbridge and beyond.
Some on New Street to Hereford.
Two on Leamington to Nuneaton (sometimes a sprinter or two).
Any on New Street to Shrewesbury ?.
Camp Hill - not yet.

I really cannot remember !.
I suppose the most productive place is Moor Street ?.

 

[The_Train]

So. A month later. Which 196s are yet to enter service (hoping none) ?.

I intend to visit the west Midlands next week - so where are the 196s running ?.
I have been following the thread (amongst many others) so my vague recollection is :-
Mostly Leamington/Stratford through Moor Street to Stourbridge and beyond.
Some on New Street to Hereford.
A couple on Leamington to Nuneaton.
Any on New Street to Shrewesbury ?.

I really cannot remember !.

I am quietly confident I am up to date at https://www.ukraillog.co.uk/fleet-data/dmu/196

Happy to be corrected and further updated if I am not though

 

[172007]

So. A month later. Which 196s are yet to enter service (hoping none) ?.

I intend to visit the West Midlands next week - so where are the 196s running ?.
I have been following the thread (amongst many others) so my vague recollection is :-
Mostly Leamington/Stratford through Moor Street to Stourbridge and beyond.
Some on New Street to Hereford.
Two on Leamington to Nuneaton (sometimes a sprinter or two).
Any on New Street to Shrewesbury ?.
Camp Hill - not yet.

I really cannot remember !.
I suppose the most productive place is Moor Street ?.

Shrewsbury to New Street are exclusively 196.

Herefords are mostly 196 with 172's still operating.

Leamington to Nuneaton are 196's but I believe thereby be a 172 turn on a Saturday but can't remember for traction knowledge retention.

 

[Peter Sarf]

I am quietly confident I am up to date at https://www.ukraillog.co.uk/fleet-data/dmu/196

Happy to be corrected and further updated if I am not though

Ah thanks, been a bit quiet for a month then ?. So, likely that 112, 113 & 114 not in service but could be hanging around Tyseley.

Shrewsbury to New Street are exclusively 196.

Herefords are mostly 196 with 172's still operating.

Leamington to Nuneaton are 196's but I believe thereby be a 172 turn on a Saturday but can't remember for traction knowledge retention.

Thanks. So seems I need to split myself between Moor Street and New Street !. Probably majoring on Moor Street ?. Probably visit to Leamington (for Nuneaton shuttle then Tyseley.

 

[172007]

Ah thanks, been a bit quiet for a month then ?. So, likely that 112, 113 & 114 not in service but could be hanging around Tyseley.


Thanks. So seems I need to split myself between Moor Street and New Street !. Probably majoring on Moor Street ?. Probably visit to Leamington (for Nuneaton shuttle then Tyseley.

No 196's through Moor St. New Street is the place to be. Then Leamington for the Shuttle.

 

[Amnesiac]

Shrewsbury to New Street are exclusively 196.

Herefords are mostly 196 with 172's still operating.

Leamington to Nuneaton are 196's but I believe thereby be a 172 turn on a Saturday but can't remember for traction knowledge retention.

The 172 diagram on Nuneaton - Leamington Spa is on a Sunday.

 

[Peter Sarf]

No 196's through Moor St. New Street is the place to be. Then Leamington for the Shuttle.

Ah. I had that very wrong !.

Do the units on Hereford services interwork with Shrewsbury services or are they kept separate.

 

[GWVillager]

So. A month later. Which 196s are yet to enter service (hoping none) ?.

I intend to visit the West Midlands next week - so where are the 196s running ?.
I have been following the thread (amongst many others) so my vague recollection is :-
Mostly Leamington/Stratford through Moor Street to Stourbridge and beyond.
Some on New Street to Hereford.
Two on Leamington to Nuneaton (sometimes a sprinter or two).
Any on New Street to Shrewesbury ?.
Camp Hill - not yet.

I really cannot remember !.
I suppose the most productive place is Moor Street ?.

To be precise:
- All WMR New St. to Shrewsbury services.
- No Snow Hill line services.
- Booked on all Leamington Spa to Nuneaton services (bar the Sunday diagram), but 172s show up somewhat frequently (no Sprinters, however).
- Half of the New St. to Hereford services. These are the diagrams featuring the 1250 and 1350 departures from New St., they cycle every 4 hours (so the 1650 and 1750 are 196s, etc.).
- The New St. to Malvern/Worcester peak services.

 

[Liam L]

Ah thanks, been a bit quiet for a month then ?. So, likely that 112, 113 & 114 not in service but could be hanging around Tyseley.

114 has been out between Shrewsbury and Tyseley in the last week on tests so hopefully not to long now till it's carrying passengers.

 

[Peter Sarf]

To be precise:
- All WMR New St. to Shrewsbury services.
- No Snow Hill line services.
- Booked on all Leamington Spa to Nuneaton services (bar the Sunday diagram), but 172s show up somewhat frequently (no Sprinters, however).
- Half of the New St. to Hereford services. These are the diagrams featuring the 1250 and 1350 departures from New St., they cycle every 4 hours (so the 1650 and 1750 are 196s, etc.).
- The New St. to Malvern/Worcester peak services.

Thanks. I presume New St to Malvern/Worcester is via the Lickey ?.

I confess I probably suffer from a hard wired recollection of the way things worked in/around Birmingham back in the mid 1970s when Snowhill was no longer used !.

 

[GWVillager]

Thanks. I presume New St to Malvern/Worcester is via the Lickey ?.

That’s correct, yes. The Herefords go the same way, the Malvern/Worcester peaks are just a shortened version of the route.

 

[Peter Sarf]

That’s correct, yes. The Herefords go the same way, the Malvern/Worcester peaks are just a shortened version of the route.

Thanks very much for your help.

 

[AJDesiro]

Do the units on Hereford services interwork with Shrewsbury services or are they kept separate.

As of December 2022 WMT minimise unit interworking where possible. Hereford and Shrewsbury services no longer interwork with any other services (I'm not sure that they did before either, though I know that back before the Chase Line was electrified, the Shrewsbury's often interworked with them).

Herefords are planned to eventually be all 196s, though I'd imagine we'll still see the occasional 172 on them, just like how the Leamington-Nuneaton services are occasionally run by 172s outside of Sundays. Shrewsbury services are probably your best bet, since no traincrew that sign 172s can run them.

 

[Peter Sarf]

As of December 2022 WMT minimise unit interworking where possible. Hereford and Shrewsbury services no longer interwork with any other services (I'm not sure that they did before either, though I know that back before the Chase Line was electrified, the Shrewsbury's often interworked with them).

Herefords are planned to eventually be all 196s, though I'd imagine we'll still see the occasional 172 on them, just like how the Leamington-Nuneaton services are occasionally run by 172s outside of Sundays. Shrewsbury services are probably your best bet, since no traincrew that sign 172s can run them.

Can we predict which services use 4car units and which use 2car units ?.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

Can we predict which services use 4car units and which use 2car units ?.

None of the Herefords currently use 4 cars due to no intermediate guard panels. They're booked 2x2 cars. Hereford only has 2 x 172 diagrams now.

 

[GWVillager]

Can we predict which services use 4car units and which use 2car units ?.

Likewise, Shrewsbury services are usually 4 cars, presumably to leave the 2 cars free for Hereford, as Luke said, and Nuneaton-Leamington (only 2 cars can work there).

 

[Liam L]

Herefords are planned to eventually be all 196s, though I'd imagine we'll still see the occasional 172 on them, just like how the Leamington-Nuneaton services are occasionally run by 172s outside of Sundays. Shrewsbury services are probably your best bet, since no traincrew that sign 172s can run them.

I can't see 172s being used to Hereford unless absolute necessary just like when the route was fully covered by 170s.

Worcester crews sign the snow hill line so will still retain 172 knowledge.

 

[DavidGrain]

There is one morning train Worcester to New Street which runs via the Camp Hill Line but if you are at New Street that should not matter to you.

 

[childwallblues]

I can't see 172s being used to Hereford unless absolute necessary just like when the route was fully covered by 170s.

Worcester crews sign the snow hill line so will still retain 172 knowledge.

I was on the 1050 New Street to Herford yesterday which was 172338.

 

[Energy]

and Nuneaton-Leamington (only 2 cars can work there).

2x2 172s have run it before (not in service) so a 4 car 196 could run it, it just isn't needed.

 

[172007]

I can't see 172s being used to Hereford unless absolute necessary just like when the route was fully covered by 170s.

Worcester crews sign the snow hill line so will still retain 172 knowledge.

Not enough trained staff on 196's quite yet and as 4 cars can't be used die to lack of door controls in the saloon there are not many serviceable 2 cars sp 172's are a daily occurance on Herefords.

 

[GWVillager]

2x2 172s have run it before (not in service) so a 4 car 196 could run it, it just isn't needed.

Are there not also issues with SDO being isolated?

 

[172007]

Are there not also issues with SDO being isolated?

Yes, at the moment.

 

[nigelsporne]

As stated above 114 was on a Shrewsbury trip on Wednesday, still with coverings on the seats and tables.
There are 3 units on the Shrewsbury diagram with an extra two units on the morning rush.
The Hereford turns has two pairs working with an extra pair on the morning and evening.
What is out and about can be found on the Part Time Spotter website but this is not always up to date but it gives the diagrams.

Sorry just to correct my post it was last Friday 114 was in Shrewsbury. It made at least two trips into Platform 5.
The Nuneaton 196s cross around Coventry just before the hour mark.

 

[AJDesiro]

None of the Herefords currently use 4 cars due to no intermediate guard panels. They're booked 2x2 cars. Hereford only has 2 x 172 diagrams now.

This isn't strictly true, AFAIK one of the 4 cars has guard panels now. There have been occasions where Hereford's have been run by 4 car units, though unless it's had panels retrofitted, it cannot call at University in one direction. Better to miss out a stop rather than cancel an entire diagram, there was a thread about it in another forum.

Though, it's almost a guaranteed 2x2.196.

I can't see 172s being used to Hereford unless absolute necessary just like when the route was fully covered by 170s.

Worcester crews sign the snow hill line so will still retain 172 knowledge.

I know, that's why I said that it'd likely see the occasional 172.

 

[Amnesiac]

2x2 172s have run it before (not in service) so a 4 car 196 could run it, it just isn't needed.

SDO is operational on the NUN-LMS runs on a 172. The ASDO system in the 196s is currently isolated, so only a single 196/0 can run on the line at present.

 

[Techniquest]

I didn't know a 196/1 had made it to Hereford yet, hopefully the panels will get fitted to more /1s soon.

 

[SuperLuke2334]

I didn't know a 196/1 had made it to Hereford yet, hopefully the panels will get fitted to more /1s soon.

I believe when it has happened, it's been on the 0732 Hereford Brum, which then goes onto Tyseley, therefore reducing the impact of having it out.