Some things don't change! At least we've moved past the stage where the PM might have to place a reverse charge call to No 10.
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Donald Trump and the aftermath of his presidency
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brad465
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If there was a virus that had a fatality rate of 100% among world leaders over the age of 70, the world would improve in an instant.
Busaholic
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If only....
Elected leaders, yes. Some of the monarchs are alright.
D6130
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I often think that the world would be a far better and more peaceful place if all the major powers - and many other countries - were led by women. I think that testosterone must play a large part in the belligerent rivalries that afflict our planet .
The likes of Liz Truss and Suella Braverman kinda pour water on that idea!
D6130
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....not to mention Priti Patel! Yes....there are always exceptions to every rule. Anyone remember Imelda Marcos?
$350 million. That’s quite a lot of money then…
brad465
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He could raise that in just a week if he leaves the EU.
All it will take is one appeal and the MAGA morons will donate all that and more
Gloster
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Unfortunately, a lot of voters will admire him for fiddling the figures (not with figures) and think that someone who can do that to improve his financial position is a smart businessman who would the same for the country and their taxes. Regrettably, he would do it to the country and their taxes.
brad465
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If they want to donate to Trump's cause they shouldn't forget to tick the box labelled "grift aid".
nlogax
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Nearly half a billion in debt now. I think he'll die before the first red cent of that gets repaid.
johnnychips
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This struck a chord. Before I visited Republic of Congo, I assumed that the Congolese would be disgusted with the President enriching himself and his family. However, my friend explained that the usual attitude was, ‘Well why wouldn’t they, as long as they are doing things that benefit us generally?’
Busaholic
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We can live in hope.
Of course Trump won't benefit the US generally. If he wins their international reputation will take a nosedive and relations with other Western countries will become strained. If international trade is adversely affected I can't see their economy improving. Still, their relations with Russia might improve...
DerekC
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Too right. Although I think relations with Russia would only improve for a while. Putin and Trump are too like each other - both basically gangsters with no respect for the law or the human rights of anyone who isn't a member of their gang. Once they have achieved their short term aims, they will fall out in a big way over somewhere in the world where their interests conflict. Alaska? The Middle East? Then it will get really scary!Of course Trump won't benefit the US generally. If he wins their international reputation will take a nosedive and relations with other Western countries will become strained. If international trade is adversely affected I can't see their economy improving. Still, their relations with Russia might improve...
You hope he doesn’t pay his fines?
I suspect that the wish is more around the imminence of Trump's demise than the lack of alacrity with which he pays his fines.
Perhaps, as it would presumably see him banged up and the GOP would be forced to choose someone else.
DerekC
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As I understand it there is nothing to stop a candidate standing, being elected and serving as President from jail. Of course Trump's first action would be to pardon himself, so his incarceration wouldn't last long. Biden could make a good event out of visiting Trump in jail to brief him - presumably through a sheet of glass - but the satisfaction wouldn't last long. And the Trump Gang (aka GOP) would love it anyway!
Gloster
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I am no constitutional expert, but it looks to me as if being in prison does not disqualify him from being President. It is only the nature of any conviction that would disbar him.
I believe that since the fine was imposed by a state court, so failure to pay it would be a state-level crime. As such, he wouldn't be able to issue a pardon.
Well, that didn't take long. Someone has started a GoFundMe page to try and 'help' DJT pay the fine.
GoFundMe launched for Donald Trump’s ‘unjust’ $350m fine in civil fraud case
‘I stand unwaveringly with President Donald Trump in the face of what I see as unprecedented and unfair treatment by certain judicial elements in New York,’ Elena Cardone wrote
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I don't think GoFundMe allows money to be raised for criminal fines, so I bet they'll have set this up with a different aim - and tell people that they had to do this to get around the rules, but actually allowing the money to be siphoned off and make some people very rich.
One born every minute....
One born every minute....
Bantamzen
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I had to have a nosey, and so far around $200K has been donated by around 4.5K people, which is a little over $44 average per person. So at that rate he'll need about 8 million more people to get to his target in 30 days or so.
Apparently New York law also requires over 100% of the amount to be put into escrow before he can attempt an appeal. So he needs to find the money either way.I believe that since the fine was imposed by a state court, so failure to pay it would be a state-level crime. As such, he wouldn't be able to issue a pardon.
Well, that didn't take long. Someone has started a GoFundMe page to try and 'help' DJT pay the fine.
GoFundMe launched for Donald Trump’s ‘unjust’ $350m fine in civil fraud case
‘I stand unwaveringly with President Donald Trump in the face of what I see as unprecedented and unfair treatment by certain judicial elements in New York,’ Elena Cardone wrote
The nature of the judgment might also make it difficult to raise the money through conventional means like selling assets or trying to get loans (if any bank would ever dare loan to him these days anyway) - and the other part of the judgement is the state-appointed financial monitor who now oversees his NY activities
And this is on top of the $90m or so that he has to find to pay E Jean Carroll's libel damages!
Bantamzen
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And the estimated $90m in interest payments on the $530m....
I wonder how many friends old Donald will have left after all this?
Peter Sarf
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I am pinning my hopes on death (so to speak) by a thousand cuts. Lots of small law suits with smaller fines etc adding up to a lot of damage to Trump. One big killer shot is going to create a lot of sympathy and conspiracy theories. But a slow attrition by non political foes adds up to a lot of adversaries with home truths that the blind lovers of Trump will struggle to ignore..