dk1
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Are they planning a new 1930 service to London then?
Not by the looks of it. That and the 20:30 are withdrawn. Back to the hourly service after 19:00 like it was back in the 2000s.
Are they planning a new 1930 service to London then?
A 22:00 would have reached Norwich around 23:45 only 15 min after the Sheringham arrival. Is there really no demand for people leaving London late the chance to get to Norwich? Bristol - similar distance from London - has a last train from London departing Paddington at 23:30! I'm surprised the last local trains leave Norwich around 23:00. Is there no demand for later services?Not by the looks of it. That and the 20:30 are withdrawn. Back to the hourly service after 19:00 like it was back in the 2000s.
There is a 22:30 & 23:30 to Norwich from Liverpool St.A 22:00 would have reached Norwich around 23:45 only 15 min after the Sheringham arrival. Is there really no demand for people leaving London late the chance to get to Norwich? Bristol - similar distance from London - has a last train from London departing Paddington at 23:30! I'm surprised the last local trains leave Norwich around 23:00. Is there no demand for later services?
Ahh, yes the 22.30 and 23.30. somehow didn't show up in my RTT search.There is a 22:30 & 23:30 to Norwich from Liverpool St.
No there is no real demand to speak of. When you consider crewing costs etc. They'd probably only attract the wrong element.
This has cropped up many times over the years particularly Fridays & Saturdays but there has been no appetite from the operators to run late night trains and staff have never wanted to work such services.
We do however run additional trains up to midnight to Yarmouth, Lowestoft, Ipswich, Ely & Sheringham when concerts are held at Carrow Road.
I Nnoted how many level crossings the trains still have to slow down for - Croxton and leaving Atlleborough / Wymondham. And Gypsy Lane - this is a disgrace that these issues haven't been sorted in years. Also seemed to slow for some crossings on Ely to Peterborough.Ipswich to Peterborough would be hourly but Network Rail will not allow it yet sighting level crossing safety issues with increased trains all day everyday and of course the bottleneck that can be Ely North Junction.
I Nnoted how many level crossings the trains still have to slow down for - Croxton and leaving Atlleborough / Wymondham. And Gypsy Lane - this is a disgrace that these issues haven't been sorted in years. Also seemed to slow for some crossings on Ely to Peterborough.
As a whole this year I wouldn't be surprised if GA show approximately 2019 passenger numbers or pretty close to, particularly as Stansted express are back to 4 trains an hour and although being half term, full and standing coming back to Norwich from London, even normal times peaks are practically full. Regional have exceeded 2019 as well.Ipswich to Peterborough would be hourly but Network Rail will not allow it yet sighting level crossing safety issues with increased trains all day everyday and of course the bottleneck that can be Ely North Junction.
Earlier last year we had several 755/4s running around on 3 legs but this has improved greatly since the Deutz engine renewal programme at Clacton. The 755/3s are not permitted to run around on 1 engine so would be removed from service at the earliest opportunity.
Passenger numbers on GA regional routes have exceeded those in 2019 for a couple of years now.
Has Class 755 performance on electric been detuned lately, or is it likely drivers are bored with the warp factor 7 acceleration that they seemed to have at the beginning? Or worse still an instruction to drive them a bit more slowly!Earlier last year we had several 755/4s running around on 3 legs but this has improved greatly since the Deutz engine renewal programme at Clacton. The 755/3s are not permitted to run around on 1 engine so would be removed from service at the earliest opportunity.
Has Class 755 performance on electric been detuned lately, or is it likely drivers are bored with the warp factor 7 acceleration that they seemed to have at the beginning? Or worse still an instruction to drive them a bit more slowly!
Except they seem quite happy to add more freight to the mix.Ipswich to Peterborough would be hourly but Network Rail will not allow it yet sighting level crossing safety issues with increased trains all day everyday and of course the bottleneck that can be Ely North Junction.
Depends how many freights they keep accepting and whether thew government wants the extra services to Peterborough (or indeed anywhere else).I wonder how long NR can hold the position of not allowing hourly Ipswich to Peterborough. Hopefully Ely area improvements will happen soon as half hourly Norwich Cambridge will also become needed as the cities expand
The simple answer there is that passenger services require subsidy and freight services don't, so it's clear what the government will want.Depends how many freights they keep accepting and whether thew government wants the extra services to Peterborough (or indeed anywhere else).
Some of the freight receives subsidy too. Modal Shift Grant or something like that?The simple answer there is that passenger services require subsidy and freight services don't, so it's clear what the government will want.
Not strictly true for GA as they're receiving the same subsidised track access charges as FOCs but other than that they're paying a few million £ a year into the treasuryThe simple answer there is that passenger services require subsidy and freight services don't, so it's clear what the government will want.
Do they run trolleys on the 755 regionals? I thought only 745's had a trolley service. Judging by the 745 i was on last week starting at Norwich, there were quite a few people queuing for refreshments from the bar before the train had even set off for London.No nothing has changed but we don’t all thrash them especially if there’s a catering trolley onboard.
Yes it moves between units at Colchester normally. Some do Ipswich too but that's not official. On triple traction one unit will usually not be served.Do they run trolleys on the 755 regionals? I thought only 745's had a trolley service. Judging by the 745 i was on last week starting at Norwich, there were quite a few people queuing for refreshments from the bar before the train had even set off for London.
I dont really see much delays except signalling faults or freight congestion. D line Trowse to Norwich is out of action and has been for a couple of weeks.Would I be right in thinking the majority of delays are caused by congestion at Ipswich / Norwich where the track layouts really need improving to allow more movements in and out of those stations?
Still not clear what the northbound restrictions leaving Attleborough and Wymondham are for. Certainly no path or foot crossings on the exits unless I am going blind.Croxton is being converted to MCBOD as part of the Cambridge-Bury resignalling plus so should go back to 90mph & Gypsy Lane just gets more & more complex. I would’ve thought miniature R/G would suffice now it’s only a foot crossing. There will be no changes to Attleborough or Wymondham (down direction) as that was as it was planned to be when done in 2012 due to Spronces/Browick Road AHBs respectively.
Attleborough there's a road crossing not far north of the station, the signal that you can see from the northbound platform seems to be held at danger (or perhaps yellow, can't recall) until the train has almost drawn up to it for stopping services. Non stop trains go straight through at line speed.Still not clear what the northbound restrictions leaving Attleborough and Wymondham are for. Certainly no path or foot crossings on the exits unless I am going blind.
It's for timings on the AHBs upon leaving both stations. Was similar for stopping trains before resignalling at these too.Still not clear what the northbound restrictions leaving Attleborough and Wymondham are for. Certainly no path or foot crossings on the exits unless I am going blind.
Wouldn't a TRTS button on the platform be better?It's for timings on the AHBs upon leaving both stations. Was similar for stopping trains before resignalling at these too.
Wouldn't a TRTS button on the platform be better?
Yes, some sort of pluger would be seem to have been a good idea, but then it does raise other issues as you say. Maybe it needed a dfferent type of crossing - similar to Church Lane Kelvedon. Stoppers alays approach on a red but it does clear during the dwell to green?
How long have they been saying that?I did however hear yesterday that Gypsy Lane may close this year.
This is from January 25th:How long have they been saying that?
Network Rail's own webpage still says late 2022 early 2023 lol.
Further to the update provided in October of last year, the project has unfortunately been delayed further due to the effects of Storm Babet. The exceptional rainfall and severe flooding that occurred between 18 – 20 October resulted in the landowner’s private access bridge being damaged beyond repair. This bridge was to serve as the access for NR’s contractors and the plant needed to undertake the works to the culvert. The landowner and NR are in discussions regarding the bridge replacement, but it is clear this set back will impact the timeline for the completion of the works and the associated permanent closure of the Gipsy Lane crossing. The county council continues to await NR’s comments on SCC’s formal response to the draft funding agreement that was previously circulated and has not been provided with an update on the bridge replacement investigations and how this may impact the delivery of the project. Since October 2023 the landowner has been severely impacted by the effects of flooding and has been reporting all flood incidents to the Floods Management team, which are being investigated in line with operational priorities and service standards. It has also recently been identified that Ravens Bridge, adjacent to Ravens Farm, has been damaged by the high flood waters and its safety is currently being monitored.
So complicated.How long have they been saying that?
Network Rail's own webpage still says late 2022 early 2023 lol.
So complicated.