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That‘ll be Blair, the only Labour leader to win a General Election in the last 45 years.This is him listening too much to Mandleson and Blair, and is almost paranoid.
That‘ll be Blair, the only Labour leader to win a General Election in the last 45 years.This is him listening too much to Mandleson and Blair, and is almost paranoid.
Quite! ( also he missed Campbell off the new labour bogeyman list!)That‘ll be Blair, the only Labour leader to win a General Election in the last 45 years.
what does this mean? do you have an example you could share to illustrate your point?pushing of radical woke social ideologies that is the norm from all of the big parties
What should Labour be doing? Most people don't really care about Palestine beyond the obvious horrors of women and children being killed. Labour are calling for a proper ceasefire. If that happens the heat goes out of this issue domestically. The political future of that area isn't a big issue for people in the UK.Labour as a whole really does have to wake up to what the Israeli government is doing in Gaza and call it out for what it so obviously is. Starmer needn't obsess that somehow Corbyn and co. will get the hearts and minds of a significant number of Labour voters again this side of a General Election. This is him listening too much to Mandleson and Blair, and is almost paranoid.
There are already social media posts from crankists attributing this victory to all manner of things about anti war parties, rejecting mainstream politics and social causes, expect the the obvious reason: Labour withdrew from the election!When Galloway stood (and failed to win) in Batley & Spen a few years back in the by-election prompted by Tracy Brabin becoming West Yorkshire Mayor, he showed himself to be all about, well, himself.
I do pretty much agree with all you've said here, I won't re-quote it!An own goal for labour last night that has allowed Galloway back into Parliament.
39.7% turnout.
Looks like Galloway has won with Independent Dave Tully possibly having come 2nd.
Could you expand a little on this point? Labour have cocked up here but they have made vast improvements in control and candidate selection since the Corbyn era.For me it's a second reason not to vote Labour in the election, although my loathing for the Conservatives and my dislike for my MP will probably over-ride this when it comes to putting a tick in a box.
They do! however the Tories keep stealing thier ideas ( non dom the most recent!) Personally I think the £28bn pledge was dealt with well. It cant be afforded but the substance remains the same . Dont focus on the number. Look at the substance: Great British Energy, National Wealth fund, grants to homes to install solar and insulation, focus on green economy job creation.I think Labour has to stand for something apart from "not being the Conservatives" and decide what that is. The £28bn non-pledge, for example, is a disaster for me, it just says they're "more of the same". What is it that defines Labour and is different from what defines Conservatives?
Except to me he is the antithesis of the left.An own goal for labour last night that has allowed Galloway back into Parliament. The man is trouble. He will be trouble for Labour because:
- the crank left will gather around him and use social media to share his utterings & lap up his populist rhetoric ( and he has considerable rhetorical powers)
He has made Trumpist slogans on his campaign material.'I don't debate with Israelis': George Galloway accused of racism after walking out of Middle East debate at Oxford
Rochdale makes me think that they have a lot further to go yet, and their incompetence here seems clear - not because the central party was responsible for the initial problem but because they delayed doing something about it until it was too late.Could you expand a little on this point? Labour have cocked up here but they have made vast improvements in control and candidate selection since the Corbyn era.
Rochdale makes me think that they have a lot further to go yet, and their incompetence here seems clear - not because the central party was responsible for the initial problem but because they delayed doing something aboutit until it was too late.
The result of their non-candidate is a disaster for Labour in the short term, many here were more positive about his chances but in the end he did terribly. And he's still the "Labour candidate" in many peoples' eyes.
Labour will win the election with a huge majority; just about everyone hates the Tories and won't vote for them, or will vote against them deliberately.So what would your take be on the coming election now? Do you think the Tories might somehow win? Or just a case of a slim majority for Labour or hung parliament?
I think it's just a local issue. Wellingborough occurred after all this happened and Labour still managed to do well there.
Not all seats will have a populist fruitcake like Galloway standing, and the Tories are still deeply unpopular.
The poor turnout is due to the people of Rochdale not voting. Like him or loath him, that is not the fault of George Galloway.So 60.3% of the electorate found themselves unable to support any candidate, a fact that will conveniently forgotten by the little man in the big hat in his victory rant.…
- the free Palestine movement will be drawn to him like flies round excrement
you will note: "crank left"Except to me he is the antithesis of the left.
Labour withdrew. They did not campaign.Rochdale makes me think that they have a lot further to go yet, and their incompetence here seems clear - not because the central party was responsible for the initial problem but because they delayed doing something aboutit until it was too late.
The result of their non-candidate is a disaster for Labour in the short term, many here were more positive about his chances but in the end he did terribly. And he's still the "Labour candidate" in many peoples' eyes.
Ok - but putting myself in the local shoes. As a labour supporter who would I vote for? I suspect I would spoil my ballot but many wouldn't bother turning out. This result is the consequence of that.The poor turnout is due to the people of Rochdale not voting. Like him or loath him, that is not the fault of George Galloway.
I realise you were replying to @jfollows here but I'll offer a view. In this instance I would vote Lib Dem, though I suppose my politics is more anti-Tory than always pro-Labour and I have voted for both Labour and the Lib Dems.Labour withdrew. They did not campaign.
Ok - but putting myself in the local shoes. As a labour supporter who would I vote for? I suspect I would spoil my ballot but many wouldn't bother turning out. This result is the consequence of that.
I think that is in principle true but they are playing it overly safe now in order to win the election. They are being less pro-immigration and pro-EU than they might naturally be, because potentially these could be vote-losers. They are perhaps being fiscally "tighter" than they might naturally be, to avoid accusations of profligate spending.I think Labour has to stand for something apart from "not being the Conservatives" and decide what that is. The £28bn green non-pledge, for example, is a disaster for me, it just says they're "more of the same". What is it that defines Labour and is different from what defines Conservatives? This is hard because Conservatives are currently shape-shifters and throw money at things for political advantage, although often there is only "pretend money" as in councils being allowed to sell assets and use the money to pay the recurrent bill announced yesterday (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exceptional-financial-support-for-local-authorities-for-2024-25).
I guess so, although they polled about the same as the (non) Labour candidate - interestingly the local independent candidate came second with a massive vote share for such a candidate - perhaps the non Galloway votes went there.I realise you were replying to @jfollows here but I'll offer a view. In this instance I would vote Lib Dem, though I suppose my politics is more anti-Tory than always pro-Labour and I have voted for both Labour and the Lib Dems.
That presupposes that Rochdale was great in the first place.MAKE ROCHDALE GREAT AGAIN. Says it all.
Yes I understand that, but by not voting you put yourself into the hands of the cranks & nutcases who would vote for a turnip if it were one of the candidates. Sometimes you just need to suss who you think will be the best of a poor bunch (or who will cause he least damage) and give them your ‘X’Ok - but putting myself in the local shoes. As a labour supporter who would I vote for? I suspect I would spoil my ballot but many wouldn't bother turning out. This result is the consequence of that.
Galloway got in on C.32% of a c32% turnout!
That presupposes that Rochdale was great in the first place.
I think he meant to spell it ‘MAKE ROCHDALE GRATE AGAIN’MAKE ROCHDALE GREAT AGAIN. Says it all.
i don't disagree in the slightest.Yes I understand that, but by not voting you put yourself into the hands of the cranks & nutcases who would vote for a turnip if it were one of the candidates. Sometimes you just need to suss who you think will be the best of a poor bunch (or who will cause he least damage) and give them your ‘X’
I think he meant to spell it ‘MAKE ROCHDALE GRATE AGAIN’
Rochdale was indeed great at one time. As one of the main centres of the Lancashire cotton industry in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries it was once an extremely rich and affluent place....if you happened to be a mill owner or manager. It was, of course, a completely different matter if you were a mill worker, living with your family in a tiny, cramped back-to-back terraced house. Its past affluence is reflected in its gloriously ornate town hall - a smaller version of Manchester's - which has recently undergone a multi-million pound restoration and refurbishment.That presupposes that Rochdale was great in the first place.
Where does he see himself in relation to those two cheeks?I don’t like Galloway either, but “two cheeks of the same backside” (referring to Labour and Conservative parties) is a good line.
As if he's going to be doing anything other than advancing his own personal interests! He certainly isn't going to be spending any time representing RochdaleIt also keeps Galloway busy representing Rochdale in parliament (I'm setting to one side his apparent belief that he also represents Gaza in the UK parliament) when it has previously been reported that he was considering running against Sadiq Khan for the London mayoralty.
You might think so. I couldn't possibly comment.As if he's going to be doing anything other than advancing his own personal interests! He certainly isn't going to be spending any time representing Rochdale