danbarjon
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They might need to keep a few Voyagers to run some Liverpool and North Wales trains to balance capacity.
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DJH1971
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Especially as they are OHLE only
The Planner
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800s are more hungry. WCRM didn't upgrade it all.
norbitonflyer
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danbarjon
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Probably looking at late Summer I'd imagine.
Trainbike46
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so the report is accurate, and at least initially there will 805s on diesel to Liverpool?
Still odd there isn't the spare capacity for 1 extra electric train per hour per direction
danbarjon
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Trainbike46
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Thank you!
JW4
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It’s accurate to what’s in the drivers’ manual
Trainbike46
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Let's hope they upgrade the power supply soon - new diesel under the wire really shouldn't be happening
danbarjon
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It is quite the shambles given the big fuss of these new electric trains to Liverpool.. that'll now be a little bit diesel
DJH1971
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And by the sound of things, the 807's won't be going to Liverpool.
They will need 2 805's for a diagram as there is going to be a lot of people standing up on just one 805.
Trainbike46
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note that this will be an entirely extra service, on top of the hourly pendolino, so they could just use pricing to send people towards the other service
Does anyone know when we are likely to see the first 805/807 in service. I understand that more voyagers are going off-lease from June, so presumably before then?
Bletchleyite
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Yes, it'd be an option to offer Advances only from Liverpool South Parkway on that one (due to that one being the one to stop there) and everything else to be walk up - I reckon that would balance the load.
JW4
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The aim at the moment is by the June timetable change.
norbitonflyer
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Ypou can't do that - an off peak or anytime ticket is valid on any train (within the off peak times for OP), and even if no fare is offered to LSP, break of journey is allowed.
pokemonsuper9
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I think the theory is that Advances won't be offered from Lime St and other stations encouraging those passengers onto the other train per hour, not that there won't be a flexible ticket.
Bletchleyite
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I mean the complete opposite - no cheap Advances *except* LSP in order to keep demand lower.
Snow1964
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DfT has today 21st March published the West Coast Partnership contract, and on page 75 says the 221s end of lease between 01/08/23 and 30/06/24
So looks like got about 14 more weeks to get these into service and replace the 221s
page 76 has the data on 805 and 807
805 to seat 276 + wheelchair, 164 standing, First 25 + wheelchair
807 to seat 404 + wheelchair, 216 standing, First 49 + wheelchair
Lease expiry 01/04/34 with early re delivery anytime from 01/04/26
So looks like got about 14 more weeks to get these into service and replace the 221s
page 76 has the data on 805 and 807
805 to seat 276 + wheelchair, 164 standing, First 25 + wheelchair
807 to seat 404 + wheelchair, 216 standing, First 49 + wheelchair
Lease expiry 01/04/34 with early re delivery anytime from 01/04/26
poffle
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I thought the initial plan was to start with 805s on the Birmingham semi-fasts and then work on clearing 805s to North Wales.
Wonder if they're planning to swap the Brum 805s for 807s and then use the 805s for Liverpool. But there would you not be enough 805s for single 805 services to Liverpool.
( Unless they do double 805s to Liverpool via Chester. Very unlikely)
Wonder if they're planning to swap the Brum 805s for 807s and then use the 805s for Liverpool. But there would you not be enough 805s for single 805 services to Liverpool.
( Unless they do double 805s to Liverpool via Chester. Very unlikely)
danbarjon
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I've found a possible 805 allocated service to Chester in June in the AWC app.
The 10:02 London Euston to Chester is showing with Standard seats in Coach M and no seat map. I'm only guessing but this could be an 805 as there is no Coach M on the Voyagers. Nothing on the Liverpools yet.
The 10:02 London Euston to Chester is showing with Standard seats in Coach M and no seat map. I'm only guessing but this could be an 805 as there is no Coach M on the Voyagers. Nothing on the Liverpools yet.
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DJH1971
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So the 807's are unlikely to be going on the Liverpool services?
pokemonsuper9
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I've found what looks very much like a double 805 (15:32 to Euston on June 10th), and it has a seat map
Double 805:
Voyager:
childwallblues
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There was a brand new power supply put in next to Tuebrook Sidings for the 2015 Chat Moss electrification. What area does that cover?
danbarjon
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This is great! Now we have more of an idea of what times they will be phased in.
pokemonsuper9
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It could be an error where it thinks trains after the timetable change are 80x, I wouldn't get your hopes up until we know for sure.
danbarjon
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True but what I'm more getting at is that it's a good sign we are getting closer.
Elecman
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It wasn’t a “new” power supply point merely a switching sub station. Liverpool area is fed from 132kV Feeder at Speke and partially from the 400 kV Feeder near Weaver
norbitonflyer
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What does the equivalent train look like the previoius week? (Which is still after the timetable change).
Inciudentally, i can't see the seat plan, only an aerial view of a nose cone
JW4
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Gives me a network error:
