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Is Truss one of them? Not sure who else, besides Truss and Hancock, are MPs for this part of the world. And who is the other?

Mind you he's not planning to stand in the election. If he was planning to stand as a Labour candidate I'd be more cynical, but in this case he is perhaps genuine.

A slightly puzzling move though if he's not planning to stay in politics: one might think he'd just resign the Tory whip and represent the constituency as an Independent.

I'd guess this seat won't go Labour (or indeed anyone else besides the Tories) in a million years, so he'd have more chance of retaining the seat if he remained a Tory.
Truss is in Norfolk. The Rt Hon Dr Therese Coffey is the MP for Suffolk Coastal. Tom Hunt is the MP for the bulk of Ipswich.

There's talk that he might become an advisor to Labour but I can't see that being worthwhile to him unless it comes with something else (eg a peerage). It's not as if he's a household name - he's hardly Chris Whitty or JVT
 
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Truss is in Norfolk. The Rt Hon Dr Therese Coffey is the MP for Suffolk Coastal. Tom Hunt is the MP for the bulk of Ipswich.

There's talk that he might become an advisor to Labour but I can't see that being worthwhile to him unless it comes with something else (eg a peerage). It's not as if he's a household name - he's hardly Chris Whitty or JVT
Ah ok, Coffey is in Selwyn Gummer's old seat, interesting. No idea who Tom Hunt is, never heard of him!
Whoever he is, Ipswich looks a likely Labour gain as ISTR they gained it in 2017.
 

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Is Truss one of them? Not sure who else, besides Truss and Hancock, are MPs for this part of the world. And who is the other?


Mind you he's not planning to stand in the election. If he was planning to stand as a Labour candidate I'd be more cynical, but in this case he is perhaps genuine.

A slightly puzzling move though if he's not planning to stay in politics: one might think he'd just resign the Tory whip and represent the constituency as an Independent.

While I don't know it, I'd guess this seat is very rural so it presumably won't go Labour (or indeed anyone else besides the Tories) in a million years. So he'd have probably had more chance of retaining the seat if he remained a Tory.
I think the point he makes about being able to look his NHS colleagues in the face is an important one. Ultimately he's likely to be going to go back into doctoring full-time post-election, and that will be a lot easier as somebody who has publicly spoken out strongly about the current situation.

On the other hand, he probably did sincerely (if incorrectly) believe that Cameron's government cared about the NHS and genuinely tried to protect its funding.

Cameron and Osborne were instrumental in making awful decisions which have left us chronically short of qualified staff in a pathetically-funded NHS. They were just lucky to get out before the NHS faced the kind of major crisis they had destroyed its resilience to, while reserves were still being run down, and while buildings and equipment were in the earlier stages of rotting. If you were in that government, I suspect it was easy to fool yourself that it was all short-term savings to "get the economy back on track", and that at some point somebody would put it all right.
 

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Here we have an individual who has been elected as an MP, on a generous salary (currently >£86k pa). At the same time, he is moonlighting as a part time doctor for the NHS - an organisation which could probably do with his attention - as a trained doctor - for perhaps a little more than that. This same individual then has the temerity to suggest that the government is not focussed on public services. This critic has two public service posts: one of which it can be reasonably expected of him to devote all his energies (for £86k pa); the other, under who auspices he probably was trained, on which he suggests the government is not focused. If he focused on one or the other, he may have a point. Meanwhile, pots and kettles spring to mind.

...in a pathetically-funded NHS.
Of course you jest. The NHS is awash with money. It consumes half a billion pounds a day. It spends getting on for £3,000 a year for every man, woman and child in the country (the majority of whom make no calls on its services). What it is short of is the organisational ability to spend those sums wisely and efficiently - which is very surprising because it is also awash with administrators (of whom it has almost as many as it has medics).
 

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There's talk that he might become an advisor to Labour but I can't see that being worthwhile to him unless it comes with something else (eg a peerage). It's not as if he's a household name - he's hardly Chris Whitty or JVT
He's being interviewed by Laura Kuennsberg on BBC TV 9.00 tomorrow, and I'd expect him to be asked some searching questions in return for his five minutes of fame.
 

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He's being interviewed by Laura Kuennsberg on BBC TV 9.00 tomorrow, and I'd expect him to be asked some searching questions in return for his five minutes of fame.
The Conservatives seem to be struggling to find a big name for the programme, chosen Chris Philp (a Home Office minister).

Labour have shadow health secretary Wes Streeting
Liberal Democrat putting up their leader, Ed Davey.

In meantime seems to be lots of suggestions that Graham Brady (as chair of 1922 committee). might get lots of no confidence letters in Rishi Sunak, especially if lose lots of the 985 Conservative held council seats up for election on Thursday.
 
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The Conservatives seem to be struggling to find a big name for the programme, chosen Chris Philip (a Home Office minister).
It's Philp, only one "i".
Regardless, I don't think much of him and he's more than usual a self-publicist looking for opportunities to appear on TV and in other media whenever possible.
 

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Here we have an individual who has been elected as an MP, on a generous salary (currently >£86k pa). At the same time, he is moonlighting as a part time doctor for the NHS - an organisation which could probably do with his attention - as a trained doctor - for perhaps a little more than that. This same individual then has the temerity to suggest that the government is not focussed on public services. This critic has two public service posts: one of which it can be reasonably expected of him to devote all his energies (for £86k pa); the other, under who auspices he probably was trained, on which he suggests the government is not focused. If he focused on one or the other, he may have a point. Meanwhile, pots and kettles spring to mind.
So what? Maybe he genuinely feels that he would like to help out the NHS while being an MP. As @takno has said, he was probably one of the "Cameronite" Tories who believed, rightly or wrongly, that the Cameron-Osborne approach to the economy was the right one at the time. Perhaps he's now changed and realised it was a mistake. Perhaps (and I think he's said this) he dislikes the rabid right-wing nationalism and anti-wokery of the current Tory party (which wasn't a feature of the Cameron years), has been feeling this for a long time, but has been hiding it for strategic reasons.

Put it this way, rather Poulter than people like Braverman, Truss, Gullis, Badenoch and all the other unpleasant, hard-right characters that typify the contemporary Tory party.

It just sounds like you have sour grapes about the defection. Admittedly I would probably feel the same about a Labour politician who went the other way, though deep inside I'd probably realise there was a reason for it despite feeling annoyed about it on the outside. Lee Anderson, for example, was probably always a right-winger, but at one time the Tories were unelectable in his part of the world so waited until the time was right to jump ship.
Of course you jest. The NHS is awash with money. It consumes half a billion pounds a day. It spends getting on for £3,000 a year for every man, woman and child in the country (the majority of whom make no calls on its services). What it is short of is the organisational ability to spend those sums wisely and efficiently - which is very surprising because it is also awash with administrators (of whom it has almost as many as it has medics).

I think it's you who are jesting here. This sounds exactly like something a Government minister would say! £3000 each may sound a lot but it's presumably not enough. To me it seems that the NHS does need more funding, why else is it in such a state? Your comment about it being "short of the organisational ability..." just sounds to me like blame-deflecting Government propaganda.

The Conservatives seem to be struggling to find a big name for the programme, chosen Chris Philp (a Home Office minister).
Ah, so he'll probably say that Dr Poulter is the MP for Ipswich. ;)
 
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And following Rishi flagship Rawanda policy, Irish Government looking at sending Asylum seekers back to UK

The Taoiseach (Irish prime minister) Simon Harris has asked Ireland's justice minister to bring legislation to cabinet to enable asylum seekers to be sent back to the UK.

Helen McEntee has revealed that 80% of recent arrivals to the Republic came from the UK across the Irish border.

Tánaiste (deputy prime minister) Micheál Martin said the UK's Rwanda policy was already impacting Ireland.

A spokesman for Mr Harris said the taoiseach had asked Ms McEntee "to bring proposals to Cabinet next week to amend existing law regarding the designation of safe 'third countries' and allowing the return of inadmissible international protection applicants to the UK", Irish broadcaster RTÉ reported on Saturday.
Speaking on RTÉ's Six One News, Ms McEntee said: "There are many reasons why we have seen an increase in migration toward Ireland.
"What's clear in the decision that the UK have taken in choosing Brexit, they have actually seen an increase in people seeking asylum in their country. The way that they deal with that, it's their policy.
"My focus as minister for justice is making sure that we have an effective immigration structure and system.
"That's why I'm introducing fast processing. That's why I'll have emergency legislation at cabinet this week to make sure that we can effectively return people to the UK

 

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And following Rishi flagship Rawanda policy, Irish Government looking at sending Asylum seekers back to UK

Oh, great, another country that Rishi the Reactionary has managed to p*** off.

At this rate we won't have good international relations with anyone, except perhaps the USA if Trump wins.
 

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And following Rishi flagship Rawanda policy, Irish Government looking at sending Asylum seekers back to UK

Doubtless those here who defend the right of asylum seekers to roam the World looking for the perfect country to settle in will be horrified at and wanting to protest about the Irish Government's proposals?

There's certainly some irony in this news, but, I notice you're interpreting it entirely as putting the UK in a bad light. But does it? For starters, it appears to provide some evidence that the aim of the Rwanda plan of making the UK less attractive to migrants is - despite all the naysayers - actually working at least to some extent (even in the absence of anyone having yet actually been sent to Rwanda): Notice in particular this quote:

BBC said:
Tánaiste (deputy prime minister) Micheál Martin said the UK's Rwanda policy was already impacting Ireland.

Also, if the Republic of Ireland proceed with their plan, that raises the question of whether the UK should accept people being sent back from Ireland. Morally, that looks identical to the question of whether the French should accept people the UK wants to send back (which of course France is generally refusing to do).

I think the real lesson from this is that we really need an international system to distribute asylum seekers between different countries.
 

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Here we have an individual who has been elected as an MP, on a generous salary (currently >£86k pa). At the same time, he is moonlighting as a part time doctor for the NHS - an organisation which could probably do with his attention - as a trained doctor - for perhaps a little more than that. This same individual then has the temerity to suggest that the government is not focussed on public services. This critic has two public service posts: one of which it can be reasonably expected of him to devote all his energies (for £86k pa); the other, under who auspices he probably was trained, on which he suggests the government is not focused. If he focused on one or the other, he may have a point. Meanwhile, pots and kettles spring to mind.


Of course you jest. The NHS is awash with money. It consumes half a billion pounds a day. It spends getting on for £3,000 a year for every man, woman and child in the country (the majority of whom make no calls on its services). What it is short of is the organisational ability to spend those sums wisely and efficiently - which is very surprising because it is also awash with administrators (of whom it has almost as many as it has medics).
Doctors have to do a certain number of shifts a year in order to stay qualified. Somebody who takes a 5-10 year break to do politics would be fool not to meet their medical requirements. Liam Fox also continued doing work as a doctor for years in order to stay qualified, although I'm not sure he's still doing it now. While I'm not a huge fan of having a second job I think spending 20-30 days a year experiencing a normal job in the world outside of politics is probably time well-spent for MPs.

As to the amount spent on the NHS, it's difficult to really understand where you're coming from. We spend less on health that virtually every other comparable country. My healthcare needs as a healthy middle-aged man don't come to anything like £3000, but I'm not paying just for me, and just for now. I suspect I ran up quite a bill by being born in a hospital. If I ever get cancer, like 50% of people do, then the costs of my care in the multiple years it will take to cure me or help me die comfortably are likely to be multiple of £3000. Once I get older like my parents, then I think it's quite likely that my ongoing drugs bill will be excess of £3k a year, and the hospital stays both had last year will have cost north of £10k each.

The administrators thing is really a red-herring, partly because most of the excessive bureaucracy in the NHS was introduced by the idiot Cameron government in the name of efficiency - adding market layers and provider choice is wildly expensive in terms of administration. Moreover it's pretty wild to complain that the NHS employs more non-medics than medics. There are huge numbers of things that need to happen to make organisations happen - people have to cover payroll, plan, build and maintain hospitals, buy supplies, hire people, fire people, cook, clean, and if we don't want to live in a hellish dystopia we probably even need gardeners. It's completely normal for any organisation to have more non-specialist staff than they have staff performing the core function.

Generally speaking the non-medics earn less than the medics, and do their own particular jobs more effectively than the medics and on a fraction of the training. You could employ doctors and nurses to plan the hospitals, work out what health needs a local population will have in 5 years and run the payroll, and then you'd be able to proudly declare that you'd tamed the administration budget. All you would actually have achieved though is a massive increase in the wage bill and longer term a massive additional training budget for the country.
 

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Considering all the concerns about the NHS being overburdened resulting in long waiting times for GP appointments, one might think it was a good idea to relieve GPs of the burden of issuing fit notes so they can spend more time doing their job of healing people. Besides, GPs are trained to understand health, not employment practices: They might be able to assess what kinds <snipping uninformed rubbish>


Then you fundamentally miss understand the changes to the sick note / fit note scheme. They are not the same. Sick notes don't exist.
A fit note is not just another name for it.

A fit note is a Dr declaring toy fit for work but only after a specific date. Employers SHOULD NOT be letting anyone work until that date as if there's an accident they can be liable for letting employees return before the date.

The GP is marking a medical assessment that only after the date on the fit note can they work in thier view.
 

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Doubtless those here who defend the right of asylum seekers to roam the World looking for the perfect country to settle in will be horrified at and wanting to protest about the Irish Government's proposals?
I doubt they'll be horrified, as it can be used as further proof of the Rwanda policy's flaws and provide an extra front that the government has to take flack from.
There's certainly some irony in this news, but, I notice you're interpreting it entirely as putting the UK in a bad light. But does it? For starters, it appears to provide some evidence that the aim of the Rwanda plan of making the UK less attractive to migrants is - despite all the naysayers - actually working at least to some extent (even in the absence of anyone having yet actually been sent to Rwanda): Notice in particular this quote:



Also, if the Republic of Ireland proceed with their plan, that raises the question of whether the UK should accept people being sent back from Ireland. Morally, that looks identical to the question of whether the French should accept people the UK wants to send back (which of course France is generally refusing to do).
How many of those going to Ireland crossed the channel on one of the boats the UK government has repeatedly said it wants to stop? What appears to be happening is the Rwanda policy is deterring settlement in the UK, but not deterring boat crossings, if the refugees heading for Ireland came from the continent in this way.
I think the real lesson from this is that we really need an international system to distribute asylum seekers between different countries.
I'm with you on this, but would go further and add we need an international/multi-state agreement to tackle the root causes of refugee crises to reduce how many actually flee in the first place. For this we need more cooperation and action on climate change, and we need to take out the terrorist and mercenary groups plaguing North and Sub-Saharan Africa causing regional instability.
 

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Here we have an individual who has been elected as an MP, on a generous salary (currently >£86k pa). At the same time, he is moonlighting as a part time doctor for the NHS - an organisation which could probably do with his attention - as a trained doctor - for perhaps a little more than that. This same individual then has the temerity to suggest that the government is not focussed on public services. This critic has two public service posts: one of which it can be reasonably expected of him to devote all his energies (for £86k pa); the other, under who auspices he probably was trained, on which he suggests the government is not focused. If he focused on one or the other, he may have a point. Meanwhile, pots and kettles spring to mind.


Of course you jest. The NHS is awash with money. It consumes half a billion pounds a day. It spends getting on for £3,000 a year for every man, woman and child in the country (the majority of whom make no calls on its services). What it is short of is the organisational ability to spend those sums wisely and efficiently - which is very surprising because it is also awash with administrators (of whom it has almost as many as it has medics).
I see nothing wrong in an MP spending time outside of the Warminster bubble, in fact I see it as a very good thing. MPs need to connect with people other than fellow politicians.
 

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Also, if the Republic of Ireland proceed with their plan, that raises the question of whether the UK should accept people being sent back from Ireland.

It also appears Rishi's Rwanda plan has also caused the Irish to look at fast tracking all applications to decide if ok or not, something UK Home Office has never got to grips with.

There are stories of people rejected 10 years ago that are still staying, never been sent back, making further pointless appeals. We really ought to be completing the processing of those rejected rather than leaving person in semi-permanent limbo.

My gut feel is now UUP is so weak in Northern Ireland, and segregation by religion is not major factor anymore, that Ireland would rather absorb the North, and transfer its border to within Schengen and EU rather than current common travel area with UK
 

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It also appears Rishi's Rwanda plan has also caused the Irish to look at fast tracking all applications to decide if ok or not, something UK Home Office has never got to grips with.

There are stories of people rejected 10 years ago that are still staying, never been sent back, making further pointless appeals. We really ought to be completing the processing of those rejected rather than leaving person in semi-permanent limbo.

My gut feel is now UUP is so weak in Northern Ireland, and segregation by religion is not major factor anymore, that Ireland would rather absorb the North, and transfer its border to within Schengen and EU rather than current common travel area with UK
There are many, maybe the majority, who would like to see a United ireland. The stumbling block is the huge subsidy the rest of the UK currently pays to support Ulster. I understand this is seen as too much for Ireland to contemplate paying.
 

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Doctors have to do a certain number of shifts a year in order to stay qualified. Somebody who takes a 5-10 year break to do politics would be fool not to meet their medical requirements. Liam Fox also continued doing work as a doctor for years in order to stay qualified, although I'm not sure he's still doing it now. While I'm not a huge fan of having a second job I think spending 20-30 days a year experiencing a normal job in the world outside of politics is probably time well-spent for MPs.
counterpoint - as one of his actual constituents I expect him to be on the MP gig full time. I'm okay with the odd shift here or there to stay registered but he appears to do rather more than that, and quite lucratively too (in my opinion MPs needing to meet a regulatory requirement should do so with pro bono work).

I haven't had much contact with him but on one such occasion he cited NHS commitments as the reason for his late reply, and as I said in my first post he seems invisible outside of election time. I'm therefore not surprised that the local tories are all spilling the beans now.

I see nothing wrong in an MP spending time outside of the Warminster bubble, in fact I see it as a very good thing. MPs need to connect with people other than fellow politicians.
... by attending local events, holding surgeries, all the things a good MP should be doing?
 

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I see nothing wrong in an MP spending time outside of the Warminster bubble, in fact I see it as a very good thing. MPs need to connect with people other than fellow politicians.

Unfortunately, most of their time is spent as advisors and consultants to various companies and lobby groups. These are hardly the sort of cross-section of the voters that they should be listening to.
 

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I see nothing wrong in an MP spending time outside of the Warminster bubble, in fact I see it as a very good thing. MPs need to connect with people other than fellow politicians.

"The Warminster bubble"?

Only considering the needs of people in rural small towns ?

(Sorry!)

;)

It also appears Rishi's Rwanda plan has also caused the Irish to look at fast tracking all applications to decide if ok or not, something UK Home Office has never got to grips with.

There are stories of people rejected 10 years ago that are still staying, never been sent back, making further pointless appeals. We really ought to be completing the processing of those rejected rather than leaving person in semi-permanent limbo.

My gut feel is now UUP is so weak in Northern Ireland, and segregation by religion is not major factor anymore, that Ireland would rather absorb the North, and transfer its border to within Schengen and EU rather than current common travel area with UK

Maybe; I can see and fully understand a desire for a united Ireland.

But not sure about joining Schengen, though. Just imagine.. no right of residence in the UK for Northern Ireland residents, let alone those of the current Republic; no right of residence in any part of Ireland (north or south) for rUK citizens.

Plus, rUK citizens having to get an ESTA with a 90-day limit just to visit Belfast or anywhere else in Northern Ireland, let alone the current Republic.

I can imagine that would cause huge amounts of resentment, and possibly violent action from loyalists.

I can imagine it would hasten Scottish independence too, due to the cultural links between Scotland and Ireland. Then Scotland could join Schengen in order to preserve FoM with Northern Ireland, and as a result, English and Welsh citizens would need a visa waiver just to visit Edinburgh.

Won't happen, I'm sure, because the situation is just too mad. But if it did happen, I'm sure the English Right would continue to insist that we cannot re-introduce FoM with the EU, even if that's the only way to allow FoM with NI...
 
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On the subject of MP second jobs, etc., I'd support the following reforms, give or take some margins:

-Massive pay increase to something like 140-150k, spread out over 1-2 Parliaments, but in exchange:
-Other public sector roles have to see their pay go up by the same %. In future payrises for MPs but be no higher than the average public sector pay increase in the same year.
-All second job income is banned; jobs where registration/experience must be maintained are permitted, but salary from them should be fully donated/taxed. Lobbying/consultancy jobs while an MP banned outright.
-Much tougher on job standards: for a number of offences that see at worst a recall from Parliament, replace these with automatic expulsion and where applicable, jail time (what would happen were it any other profession).

The purpose would be to encourage more talented professionals to Westminster who are put off by the low salary for a heavy public spotlight, while strict standards would rule out effective numpties/seat blockers who see it as a gravy train.
 

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On the subject of MP second jobs, etc., I'd support the following reforms, give or take some margins:

-Massive pay increase to something like 140-150k, spread out over 1-2 Parliaments, but in exchange:
-Other public sector roles have to see their pay go up by the same %. In future payrises for MPs but be no higher than the average public sector pay increase in the same year.
-All second job income is banned; jobs where registration/experience must be maintained are permitted, but salary from them should be fully donated/taxed. Lobbying/consultancy jobs while an MP banned outright.
-Much tougher on job standards: for a number of offences that see at worst a recall from Parliament, replace these with automatic expulsion and where applicable, jail time (what would happen were it any other profession).

The purpose would be to encourage more talented professionals to Westminster who are put off by the low salary for a heavy public spotlight, while strict standards would rule out effective numpties/seat blockers who see it as a gravy train.

And a complete ban on accepting any kind of hospitality from an outside party. If you want to understand more about the horse racing industry you can have a meeting about it, you don't need complimentary hospitality at the Cheltenham Gold Cup
 

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And a complete ban on accepting any kind of hospitality from an outside party. If you want to understand more about the horse racing industry you can have a meeting about it, you don't need complimentary hospitality at the Cheltenham Gold Cup

That would be pretty tough to enforce. Where do you draw the line? If you have a meeting with - say - Shelter - to discuss their concerns about homelessness, and they offer you tea and biscuits during the meeting, would you be obliged to refuse? Or what happens if a longstanding friend offers to take you to a restaurant or to a concert (as is often a part of normal life and normal friendships)? Would the MP also be obliged to refuse?

How many of those going to Ireland crossed the channel on one of the boats the UK government has repeatedly said it wants to stop? What appears to be happening is the Rwanda policy is deterring settlement in the UK, but not deterring boat crossings, if the refugees heading for Ireland came from the continent in this way.

It's a bit early to say if the Rwanda legislation has any impact on boat crossings, since I'd imagine it takes the traffickers some time to arrange boats and drum up people to go on them. As you say, what's happening is people who have already come to the UK now deciding that they don't want to claim asylum here after all. But if it's having that impact no people already here, it would seem strange if it didn't have some impact on putting people off getting into small boats to come to the UK in the first lace.

On a side note, I am curious how the people reported to be crossing into the Republic of Ireland managed to get into Northern Ireland in the first place. I was under the impression that all the ferries/air routes across the Irish sea required some form of identity documentation for all passengers?

'm with you on this, but would go further and add we need an international/multi-state agreement to tackle the root causes of refugee crises to reduce how many actually flee in the first place. For this we need more cooperation and action on climate change, and we need to take out the terrorist and mercenary groups plaguing North and Sub-Saharan Africa causing regional instability.

Agreed. Unfortunately, tackling the root causes of the refugee crisis also almost certainly means becoming much more wiling to intervene in countries that are engulfed by civil war or that have genocidal dictatorships. Personally I'm comfortable with that: I think a greater willingness to intervene internationally in order to protect persecuted people is long overdue. But that would not be politically popular with a lot of people.
 
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That would be pretty tough to enforce. Where do you draw the line? If you have a meeting with - say - Shelter - to discuss their concerns about homelessness, and they offer you tea and biscuits during the meeting, would you be obliged to refuse? Or what happens if a longstanding friend offers to take you to a restaurant or to a concert (as is often a part of normal life and normal friendships)? Would the MP also be obliged to refuse?

First one clearly isn’t an issue. Second one probably isn’t unless the friend’s job creates a conflict of interest (or the perception of one)

As a broader standard, I’d start with if it’s something that can be bought by members of the public, it probably isn’t acceptable

But do you agree the principle?
 

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Here we have an individual who has been elected as an MP, on a generous salary (currently >£86k pa). At the same time, he is moonlighting as a part time doctor for the NHS - an organisation which could probably do with his attention - as a trained doctor - for perhaps a little more than that. This same individual then has the temerity to suggest that the government is not focussed on public services. This critic has two public service posts: one of which it can be reasonably expected of him to devote all his energies (for £86k pa); the other, under who auspices he probably was trained, on which he suggests the government is not focused. If he focused on one or the other, he may have a point. Meanwhile, pots and kettles spring to mind.


Of course you jest. The NHS is awash with money. It consumes half a billion pounds a day. It spends getting on for £3,000 a year for every man, woman and child in the country (the majority of whom make no calls on its services). What it is short of is the organisational ability to spend those sums wisely and efficiently - which is very surprising because it is also awash with administrators (of whom it has almost as many as it has medics).
UK spend per capita is 16th in the world currently, only 12 rich European countries spend more, some would say we should spend more given our national wealth.
 

simonw

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counterpoint - as one of his actual constituents I expect him to be on the MP gig full time. I'm okay with the odd shift here or there to stay registered but he appears to do rather more than that, and quite lucratively too (in my opinion MPs needing to meet a regulatory requirement should do so with pro bono work).

I haven't had much contact with him but on one such occasion he cited NHS commitments as the reason for his late reply, and as I said in my first post he seems invisible outside of election time. I'm therefore not surprised that the local tories are all spilling the beans now.


... by attending local events, holding surgeries, all the things a good MP should be doing?
I'm no Tory, but do you know that he doesn't ? Being a doctor at a hospital would give him exposure to a lot of issues facing constituents.

Unfortunately, most of their time is spent as advisors and consultants to various companies and lobby groups. These are hardly the sort of cross-section of the voters that they should be listening to.
I was making particular reference to this mp spending time practising medicine.
 

bahnause

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That would be pretty tough to enforce. Where do you draw the line? If you have a meeting with - say - Shelter - to discuss their concerns about homelessness, and they offer you tea and biscuits during the meeting, would you be obliged to refuse? Or what happens if a longstanding friend offers to take you to a restaurant or to a concert (as is often a part of normal life and normal friendships)? Would the MP also be obliged to refuse?
Just apply the "Guidance on civil servants receiving gifts or hospitality". Can't be that hard if it's done for years in many other parts of the government and many private companies. I couldn't accept anything worth over 25£ a year from a customer.
 

DynamicSpirit

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First one clearly isn’t an issue. Second one probably isn’t unless the friend’s job creates a conflict of interest (or the perception of one)

I agree. But those are human judgements and therefore difficult to encapsulate into any hard-and-fast law. And if you are OK to allow those, then I guess you're not after all proposing a ban on MPs accepting any hospitality at all - because you recognise that there are reasonable exceptions.

As a broader standard, I’d start with if it’s something that can be bought by members of the public, it probably isn’t acceptable

But do you agree the principle?

I'd agree with the principle that MPs shouldn't be accepting any hospitality that's intended to (or likely to) sway their judgement in matters of public policy. I think that drawing a line between that kind of (corrupt) hospitality and stuff that's actually innocent is difficult though.
 

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And following Rishi flagship Rawanda policy, Irish Government looking at sending Asylum seekers back to UK

Also, if the Republic of Ireland proceed with their plan, that raises the question of whether the UK should accept people being sent back from Ireland.

Indeed, why would the UK accept asylum seekers deported from Ireland when those people entered the UK from elsewhere in the EU in the first place?
 

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