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lookapigeon

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The supermarkets were giving the bags away until a few years ago, and only stopped doing so because the government told them they had to. It's a stretch to see the supermarkets crying massive tears over this tbh.
You can see why people would do it though. There was a whole hoo-hah to cut down on plastic waste with the plastic bag charges and supermarkets see it as an opportunity to squeeze more cash out of shoppers. Charging 50p for a paper bag in M&S for example, it certainly doesn't cost them that much to produce the items.
 
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You can see why people would do it though. There was a whole hoo-hah to cut down on plastic waste with the plastic bag charges and supermarkets see it as an opportunity to squeeze more cash out of shoppers. Charging 50p for a paper bag in M&S for example, it certainly doesn't cost them that much to produce the items.
I thought most retailers donated the charge to charity, either in full or minus reasonable costs.
 

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I thought most retailers donated the charge to charity, either in full or minus reasonable costs.
I think that some of them did for a bit. If they were still doing it you'd expect to never hear the end of it.

You can see why people would do it though. There was a whole hoo-hah to cut down on plastic waste with the plastic bag charges and supermarkets see it as an opportunity to squeeze more cash out of shoppers. Charging 50p for a paper bag in M&S for example, it certainly doesn't cost them that much to produce the items.
I wouldn't do it myself, but I wouldn't particularly judge anybody else for doing it. As has been noted elsewhere the supermarkets that actually care enough to enforce it usually make you get a bag off the person supervising the tills.

I tend to have a bag on me all the time these days, but if I was caught short I'd definitely be reluctant to do any shopping at Sainsburys or one of the other shops that doesn't even give you a decent-sized reusable bag for your money.
 

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Local Morrisons must suffer enormously from stolen trolleys. There were always shortages of the smaller ones (mstly because they were all at distant areas and nobody bothers to move them closer to the store). About 18 months ago, they had a load of new ones delivered and you could always get one. Now, they're rarer than hen's teeth again. Not easy bending down into the big trolleys if you're quite short or have a bad back.
 

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In most of my local supermarkets now, you have to ask staff for a bag and they come over and scan it for you
I have noticed this, you have to ask for one now as they wont have them on display for you to take. Who made this rule as it seems every supermarket has started this?

I take my bag in and directly fill it as I go around if its a basket sized shop. Never been stopped.
 

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I thought most retailers donated the charge to charity, either in full or minus reasonable costs.
The profits from single use carrier bags must be donated to charity but not from reusable bags.
 

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There’s a glimpse of the power of loyalty card data in Sainsburys’ ‘…it’s that time of year’ email to Nectar users.

The data includes my top 3 items, tells me I was my stores second biggest purchaser of one item (a veg) and shows a pie chart breakdown by type of goods but excludes alcohol.

However, while it doesn’t specify if the personal breakdown is by quantity or value it’s clearly quantity as all my ‘top 3’ are healthy <£1 items making me think I shop healthily.
 

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Talking about Sainsbury's Nectar card offers, just how much is their "Triple Points if you spend £30" offer actually worth? Maybe thirty pence in extra points?! :s
 

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Talking about Sainsbury's Nectar card offers, just how much is their "Triple Points if you spend £30" offer actually worth? Maybe thirty pence in extra points?! :s
a Nectar point is worth 0.5p. £30 would normally get you 30 points, so 15p, triple points therefore is 90 points or 45p, so yes as you say if you spend £30-30.99 is is an extra 30p. More if you spend more of course, but still only 1% additional discount for a total of 1.5% cashback instead of 0.5%.
 

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The same people then steal another trolley next time they shop

I've stolen a few trolleys in my time, all before home delivery was a thing and I had to transport something bulky. Or when I was a student, we had a stolen trolley that we used for beer shopping, although that one was put back at the end of the academic year.
 

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I've stolen a few trolleys in my time, all before home delivery was a thing and I had to transport something bulky. Or when I was a student, we had a stolen trolley that we used for beer shopping, although that one was put back at the end of the academic year.
My little sisters had an old-fashioned pram that was built like a tank. We kept that and used it for all our trolley needs for years. Great huge wheels and good suspension for a smooth ride, and the looks you got when filling it with booze were awesome. Much more fun than stealing a shopping trolley.
 

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But people have no issues about taking a trolley. They'll simply respond with 'how else do I get my stuff home?' when stopped, or similar. Same with stealing bags now they cost money.
 

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But people have no issues about taking a trolley. They'll simply respond with 'how else do I get my stuff home?' when stopped, or similar. Same with stealing bags now they cost money.
Here, Waitrose accept that many of the locals take the trolley home, only to return it emply later or when they next shop. It works well for everybody.
 

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But people have no issues about taking a trolley. They'll simply respond with 'how else do I get my stuff home?' when stopped, or similar. Same with stealing bags now they cost money.
Supermarkets could block them from leaving the building, but they allow them out of control for the convenience of people who have a car, often having sited the supermarket some distance from housing for the convenience of people who have a car, and make you walk miles through the car park and then back on yourself because they can't be bothered to consider anybody who didn't come by car. The bag tax itself was also a win for motorists, who can get away with just dumping stuff in the boot if they are a couple of bags short, and are much more likely to have some bags with them in the car anyway.

If you don't have a car it can make the basic experience of buying enough food for a household pretty time-consuming and alienating. I'd rather shopping trolleys didn't end up all over the place, and I've never taken a trolley myself, but but I can understand people who do so.
 

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I doubt the supermarkets care much (until people leave because they can't shop) as the cost of the replacement trolleys is passed on to us anyway. As is the cost of the huge levels of shrinkage (when I saw the figures for some supermarkets I thought such numbers would be in a year, not a week) caused by reduced staffing levels causing stock to go bad or get damaged, shoplifting and fraud, and bad order management such that some stores have too much stock they will never sell.

With so many stores and so many common complaints about local management not being up to the job, all of these things help contribute to higher prices. But they'll obviously say it's all now down to higher NI taxes..
 

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Talking about trolleys, my first job some forty years ago now was as a trolley boy in Sainsburys. There were three of us on a rotating shift basis, we had to count the trolleys twice a day, before opening and after closing, and record the number in a book. In the evening after closing and counting them, depending on how many were short we would go round the streets and retrieve as many as we could find. You got to know the spots where people dumped them and could generally find the majority of them fairly quickly, but sometimes it was necessary to go a little further afield.

Anyway, one year it was Christmas Eve and we were closing at 2:30pm (yes, really). I was on the close, earlier in the day the store manager asked me for the trolley count book. He looked at it and said “right, there’s X trolleys in this book, and I want X trolleys before you go home”….we closed the store, I rounded up everything from the store car park and got them back in the trolley bay, counted them up and found we were some forty short. I went round the nearby known dumping spots and quickly found nearly thirty, so after bringing them back I set off again to check further afield and found a few more.By the time I came back with the second batch it was approaching 4:00pm and the manager was at the store entrance…..

Where the bloody ‘ell you been boy, we’re waiting to go home”!

“You wanted X trolleys guv”.

“How many you got”?

“X minus four”.

“That’ll do, come on, shove ‘em in the bay and lock up so we can bugger off and enjoy Christmas”……
 

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Supermarkets could block them from leaving the building, but they allow them out of control for the convenience of people who have a car, often having sited the supermarket some distance from housing for the convenience of people who have a car, and make you walk miles through the car park and then back on yourself because they can't be bothered to consider anybody who didn't come by car. The bag tax itself was also a win for motorists, who can get away with just dumping stuff in the boot if they are a couple of bags short, and are much more likely to have some bags with them in the car anyway.

If you don't have a car it can make the basic experience of buying enough food for a household pretty time-consuming and alienating. I'd rather shopping trolleys didn't end up all over the place, and I've never taken a trolley myself, but but I can understand people who do so.
People I know have their own two wheel shopping trolley. My missus has one and I have occasionally used it. Normally I buy what I can carry (and a bit more !). The sort of people who need to steal (or hopefully borrow) a trolley are the sort that are unable to think enough to own a trolley costing £10. Someone who cannot afford to buy a £10 trolley will not be able to afford more shopping than they can carry. The fact that they leave the used trolley around the corner from where they live and in the road opposite my house tells me all I need to know about them.
 

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People I know have their own two wheel shopping trolley. My missus has one and I have occasionally used it. Normally I buy what I can carry (and a bit more !). The sort of people who need to steal (or hopefully borrow) a trolley are the sort that are unable to think enough to own a trolley costing £10. Someone who cannot afford to buy a £10 trolley will not be able to afford more shopping than they can carry. The fact that they leave the used trolley around the corner from where they live and in the road opposite my house tells me all I need to know about them.
Can't speak for your experience but given the borrowing practice around here, there's no point in me getting another piece of domestic clutter just for a 300m walk each way.
 

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Can't speak for your experience but given the borrowing practice around here, there's no point in me getting another piece of domestic clutter just for a 300m walk each way.
This household don't take them back, has been five across the road at worst. Morrisons do seem to collect them when I Tell inform them. I have pushed a pair back myself. We must be over one kilometre away. Our trolley folds up but like you say it is another piece of clutter (actually by the back door storing veg !).
 

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This household don't take them back, has been five across the road at worst. Morrisons do seem to collect them when I Tell inform them. I have pushed a pair back myself. We must be over one kilometre away. Our trolley folds up but like you say it is another piece of clutter (actually by the back door storing veg !).
Generally, locals value the flexibility of taking full trolleys home and are happy to return them empty. Very occasionally, a random trolley is found on a secluded part of the footpath, which I report. It seems that theives fill the trolley up with visible low cost items with something expensive underneath. The stuff is then loaded into their car remote from the main car park. Happens less now as the self-check out arrangements are different, - including the screen/camera mounted on top of the kiosk.
 

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I recall reading that originally supermarkets thought having fewer shallow trolleys was a good thing as it encouraged use of the deep ones and the higher spend with it. But actually most people if they couldn't get a shallow trolley would go for a basket instead and therefore spend less. It does seem now most supermarkets prioritise having plenty of the shallow trolleys.
 

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I recall reading that originally supermarkets thought having fewer shallow trolleys was a good thing as it encouraged use of the deep ones and the higher spend with it. But actually most people if they couldn't get a shallow trolley would go for a basket instead and therefore spend less. It does seem now most supermarkets prioritise having plenty of the shallow trolleys.
I remember that too, I seem to recall it was mentioned in the 1999 TV series “Back to the floor” which had then Sainsbury’s CEO Dino Adriano working in a shop.

At the time the small trolleys weren’t like the ones today, which are much bigger, but were described in the programme as “baskets on wheels.”

Link to photo from the Sainsbury’s Archive - 1736508841720.jpeg
 

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I can recall trolleys were smaller back in the 70s and were only one size. I was always told they got bigger as more people used a car. I use a shallow trolley and it is still wider and longer than the 70s era trolleys but not so deep - I am usually carrying my shopping home - a 10-15 minute walk but that is my "gym".

I do find the big trolleys unpleasantly deep when I have to use one, which surprises me.

As for carry bags. I remember back in the 60s and 70s before plastic disposable bags my mother and grandmother had string bags, remember them ?.
They coped very well with the sharp edges of boxes that split plastic bags. But were probably not protecting ladies from laddered stockings !.
 
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I can recall trolleys were smaller back in the 70s. I was always told they got bigger as more people used a car. I use a shallow trolley and it is still wider and longer than the 70s era trolleys but not so deep - I am usually carrying my shopping home - a 10-15 minute walk but that is my "gym".

I do find the big trolleys unpleasantly deep when I have to use one, which surprises me.

As for carry bags. I remember back in the 60s and 70s before plastic disposable bags my mother and grandmother had string bags, remember them ?.
They coped very well with the sharp edges of boxes that split plastic bags. But were probably not protecting ladies from laddered stockings !.
You wouldn't have fitted modern trolleys around most 1970s supermarkets I went in. There was a Sainsburys on the edge of town which was biggger, but still had relatively narrow aisles, while the Sainburys, Leos and Safeway in town were laid out more like some of the tighter-packed Sainsburys Locals now. I think the trolleys were perhaps half to a third of the current size, and probably not a great deal deeper than the current shallow ones.
 

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You wouldn't have fitted modern trolleys around most 1970s supermarkets I went in. There was a Sainsburys on the edge of town which was biggger, but still had relatively narrow aisles, while the Sainburys, Leos and Safeway in town were laid out more like some of the tighter-packed Sainsburys Locals now. I think the trolleys were perhaps half to a third of the current size, and probably not a great deal deeper than the current shallow ones.
Indeed. The average large food supermarkets of the 70s were quite small by the standards of today.

I remember Tesco and FineFare had exactly the same sized trolleys. They fitted together and every week or so I would do a longer trip to do a swap, it must have been over a mile away along a level road. As a student I worked in Tescos.
 

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My grand parents did shopping more regularly and generally walked. These days you'll hear people insist they need a car and laugh if you suggest going on foot, or taking a bus.. or even cycling. My grand parents had their own shopping bag on wheels, which now seems only to be a thing for shoplifters (who line them so as not to trigger door sensors).

I prefer to do a bigger shop less often, but of late I've been finding myself doing smaller shops every couple of days - although the cold weather is making me consider a big shop this weekend again. But it's not like I couldn't do a smaller shop still, and there are opportunities to get fresher fruit and veg when not trying to keep it for a long time, as well as check marked down products and other offers.
 

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My grand parents did shopping more regularly and generally walked. These days you'll hear people insist they need a car and laugh if you suggest going on foot, or taking a bus.. or even cycling. My grand parents had their own shopping bag on wheels, which now seems only to be a thing for shoplifters (who line them so as not to trigger door sensors).

I prefer to do a bigger shop less often, but of late I've been finding myself doing smaller shops every couple of days - although the cold weather is making me consider a big shop this weekend again. But it's not like I couldn't do a smaller shop still, and there are opportunities to get fresher fruit and veg when not trying to keep it for a long time, as well as check marked down products and other offers.
I tend to do a quick shop every day and a bigger shop a couple of times a week, but I live reasonably close to a couple of supermarkets and work from home. Equally my mum used to go several times a week, but was a housewife who lived near several reasonable supermarkets.

When I'm working in an office full time there's no chance I'm heading out more than once a week. I don't have a car, so I'm doing it on foot either way, but walking or driving a mile each way to the grim shopping centre several times a week isn't exactly my idea of winding down in the evening.
 

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