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Class 175 to GWR

The Prisoner

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Can't believe we still have people moaning about the 175s heading to GWR. As someone living in Chester I'd have these back in a heartbeat over a 197. Comfortable, spacious, decent interior and rides well.

The issues towards the end of the TfW lease were entirely down to CAF Chester not maintaining them properly, which is assumedly why they are taking so long to get match fit now. They had run for years with no issues. As mentioned numerous times in this thread TfW received a slap on the wrists for poor maintenance.

https://www.deeside.com/rail-watchd...es-over-passenger-risk-following-train-fires/

Rail watchdog issues “improvement notice” to Transport for Wales over passenger risk following train fires
News and Info from Deeside, Flintshire, North Wales
Published: Friday, Apr 14th, 2023


A railways watchdog has issued an ‘improvement notice’ to Transport for Wales (TfW) after the Welsh government-owned rail operator “failed to ensure passengers and employees are not exposed to the risk” following a series of fires on the operator’s Class 175 trains.

A TfW Class 175 unit caught fire near Wrexham while travelling from Holyhead to Cardiff Central. This was followed by two further fires, both at Wilmslow, on 22 February and 1 March 2023.

All three fires were attributed to a build-up of “debris, leaf litter, and other contaminants” in the units’ under-floor engine bays.

Acknowledging that the three incidents in quick succession would “raise concerns”, TfW decided on 2 March to temporarily withdraw from service all 175 units that had not been through the cleaning programme.

Built by Alstom in the late 1990s and early 2000s, the 175 diesel multiple units serve as the backbone of express services operating across the Wales and Borders network through South, North, and West Wales.

The withdrawal of the trains resulted in the operator facing a “shortage of rolling stock”, which affected the Wrexham to Bidston service.

The Class 150 units that typically serve this line were relocated to other lines across Wales to cover the routes that the 175 trains usually operate on.

The move left commuters in Flintshire travelling to Wrexham and the Wirral reliant on a rail replacement bus service, which takes twice as long.

The Office of Road and Rail has published details of the improvement notice this week on its website, the notice was served to TfW on March 17.

The notice states: “Transport for Wales Limited as the Train Operator has failed to ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, that passengers and employees are not exposed to the risk of harm.”

“Furthermore, the operator has failed to implement effective arrangements for the organisation, control, and monitoring of the maintenance of the Class 175 fleet, necessary to ensure the safe operation of the transport system.”

Jan Chaudhry-Van der Velde, Chief Operations Officer at Transport for Wales, said:

“The safety of our customers and colleagues is always a top priority for Transport for Wales.”

“As soon as we identified a reoccurring engine problem with our Class 175 trains, we delivered a programme of urgent safety checks and engine repairs.”

“We also increased the monitoring of train maintenance activity on these trains, maintenance which is carried out on our behalf by CAF Rail UK at its depot at Chester.”

“Unfortunately, carrying out this vital work has left us with a temporary shortage of trains. However, it’s important to reiterate that safety is always our main concern, and this work is essential.”

“As the Class 175s continue to work through the repair programme, the train shortages should ease, and the timetabled service can be restored.”
 
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Although the 175s are fairly young they are very unreliable (as is the whole Coradia family to be honest), and are only 3 coaches maximum so not very long unless coupled. Plus they have no commonality with any other GWR fleets and are yet another unique minority.
I’ve been told that they sorted out the fire issues, and I can only hope that’s true.
But originally they were procured, like the 180 fleet, by FirstGroup when First North Western was one of their TOCs, along with FGW/GWR .
So somebody in First Group knows a lot about both fleets.
While they have had reliability issues, the 175s performed well with ATW (with Alstom doing the maintenance) and were popular and comfortable trains.
FGW maintained the 180 fleet itself at Old Oak Common.
 

Obar123

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Is anyone able to answer D365’s question? Cheers.
It is at Ely with the corridor end of one coach covered with up blue tarpaulin in the sidings adjacent to the Norwich line, away from the other 175s which are on the curve. I think the other coach is with 2 of the coaches of 175101, which are also at Ely. The formations seem a bit of a mess!
 

19Gnasher69

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It is at Ely with the corridor end of one coach covered with up blue tarpaulin in the sidings adjacent to the Norwich line, away from the other 175s which are on the curve. I think the other coach is with 2 of the coaches of 175101, which are also at Ely. The formations seem a bit of a mess!
Many thanks Obar123. In the past when I’ve passed this location, it’s taken a few back and forth journeys between Ely and Brandon/Thetford to orientate myself to be able to see what I’m looking for! Though the tarpaulin should be a giveaway!?
 

stevieinselby

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But originally they were procured, like the 180 fleet, by FirstGroup when First North Western was one of their TOCs, along with FGW/GWR .
So somebody in First Group knows a lot about both fleets.
I wouldn't bank on everybody who worked for First North Western in the late 1990s still working in First Group Rail in 2025!
 

Robin Edwards

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Does anyone know the positioning of the 175 units at Papworth sidings Ely? Not straightforward to identify all of the units in the line closest to the river along Queen Adelaide. (I'm after 175113 btw :) )
 

Obar123

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Does anyone know the positioning of the 175 units at Papworth sidings Ely? Not straightforward to identify all of the units in the line closest to the river along Queen Adelaide. (I'm after 175113 btw :) )
It's quite hard to know what unit is what and they move them about so they are all in different positions every time I have been there. I haven't seen 113 since the end of July last year there so is probably in the middle of the sets the other times I have been there since. Someone needs to go over them with a drone!
 

Tetragon213

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When is the expected entry date for the 175s? May timetable change?

Also, is there any confirmation as to what will happen to the HSTs when the 175s come in?
 

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When is the expected entry date for the 175s? May timetable change?

Also, is there any confirmation as to what will happen to the HSTs when the 175s come in?
They will be phased in, probably starting June, but likely to be mid or late 2026 by time all 26 units working, exact dates haven't been published.

Initially will help with expanded Cornwall metro services (alongside existing DMUs), the HSTs likely to survive until Nov-Dec. Probably be well into 2026 before all IETs covering local work released and Bristol area gets the displaced 158 and 165 back. (150s staying in Devon & Cornwall)
 

craigybagel

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I'm not sure if this is connected or not, but the 175 simulator in Chester was removed over the last week. I assume it has been sent somewhere vaguely West Country?
 

craigybagel

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One would assume either plymouth or Exeter?
Hopefully that rather than a scrap yard. I don't know if it's ever been confirmed that GWR are going to receive the simulators, it might just be a coincidence that the Chester sim has been moved now. TfW don't really need it any more and it is getting on a bit now.
 

sd0733

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Hopefully that rather than a scrap yard. I don't know if it's ever been confirmed that GWR are going to receive the simulators, it might just be a coincidence that the Chester sim has been moved now. TfW don't really need it any more and it is getting on a bit now.
The 175 sim and also a 150 one are both going from TfW to GWR. No idea where they're going to be though.
 

alistairlees

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Probably forgotten what a corporate memory is. ;)
An outcome of franchising was essentially that there is no corporate memory. A hidden cost, probably very significant, that never appears anywhere in the rail industry’s p&l. Imagine running anything else where you basically can’t have corporate memory - would it be successful?
 

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I'm not sure if this is connected or not, but the 175 simulator in Chester was removed over the last week. I assume it has been sent somewhere vaguely West Country?
Pretty sure that's going in at Plymouth as the HST sim has just been removed so would figure.
 

windjabbers

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After this weeks moves I now make that

4 units at LA - 002/007/009/114
4 Units at Wolverton - 001/003/107/108
19 units at Ely 004*/005*/006*/008*/010/011
101*/102/103/104/105/106/109*/110/111/112/113/115*/116

* = units not in orginal fromation.

Correction and updates weclome.
 

Rhydgaled

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I'm not sure if this is connected or not, but the 175 simulator in Chester was removed over the last week. I assume it has been sent somewhere vaguely West Country?
If I recall correctly there were two 175 simulators: one in Chester and one in Cardiff. Has the Cardiff one also been (re)moved?
 

craigybagel

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If I recall correctly there were two 175 simulators: one in Chester and one in Cardiff. Has the Cardiff one also been (re)moved?
There were indeed. Chester had one 175 and a 158, and Cardiff had the other 175 and a 150. I don't know what's happened to the Cardiff 175 (unlike the Chester sims it's in a building not regularly visited by traincrew) but it's been said the 150 is going to GWR so it would make sense for that 175 to go too.
 

sad1e

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There seem to be 3 class 175s still in tfw livery in Plymouth laira TMD , these are visible from a passing train but their unit numbers aren't.
 

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