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125mph is now Copmanthorpe No2 crossing to the river Wharfe on the Up Leeds and from Church Fenton to Colton North Jct on the Down Leeds line.I’m on a train from Leeds to York now and it looks like the linespeed between York and the River Wharfe overbridge has been raised to 125mph on the Leeds lines.
Thank you for this information!125mph is now Copmanthorpe No2 crossing to the river Wharfe on the Up Leeds and from Church Fenton to Colton North Jct on the Down Leeds line.
Electric trains are generally capable of better acceleration at higher speeds, as this uses a large amount of power which electrics can draw from the wire but diesels can't carry with them without being inefficient and uneconomic (arguably true of Voyagers).It does seem to tie in with the overall trend of this project to have very short bursts of high speed, others being the planned 100mph stretch between Neville Hill and Cross Gates before dropping back down to 90mph, as well as 110 mph between Heaton Lodge Junction and Ravensthorpe, before dropping down to 100mph and 75mph supposedly through Dewsbury shortly thereafter.
And if they can regenerate then short bursts of speed then braking is less wasteful.Electric trains are generally capable of better acceleration at higher speeds, as this uses a large amount of power which electrics can draw from the wire but diesels can't carry with them without being inefficient and uneconomic (arguably true of Voyagers).
So it may be that these short increases were always possible but only worth bothering with when the line is going to be used by trains on electric power, which more able to take advantage of them.
Currently 70 mph, I believe.There's also the removal of restrictive junctions, such as the new alignment of the up fast line at Heaton Lodge. Not sure of the actual speed of the current arrangement but it feels awkwardly slow.
Has it been that speed for a long time? I'm now wondering if my judgement is clouded by being mostly on the stoppers the last few years... the "wiggle" for want of a better term from the loop line to the main and then on to the Up Huddersfield is far slower.Currently 70 mph, I believe.
It was 70 when I did my practical handling training on class 141/142/144 units in 1991. Then again, I was also on stoppers calling at Mirfield and IIRC, there was/is a 40 limit leaving the Up Slow immediately before the 70 turnout on the Up Main.Has it been that speed for a long time? I'm now wondering if my judgement is clouded by being mostly on the stoppers the last few years... the "wiggle" for want of a better term from the loop line to the main and then on to the Up Huddersfield is far slower.
That's another advantage of the upgrade that is often overlooked in favour of headlines about faster journeys between the major cities- the stopping services will also be freed up from having to fit between the fasts.
I agree with the point about acceleration of modern EMUs, but the thing that seems odd to me is that it on some points of the route the linespeed is being increased, but only for a short section before dropping down to the legacy linespeed. E.g. going east from Leeds trains will be able to take advantage of the realigned curve around Neville Hill depot before accelerating up to 100mph but dropping down to the legacy 90mph beyond Crossgates all the way until after Church Fenton, despite the route between Cross Gates and Micklefield being geometrically capable of 110mph and the relatively new Micklefield turnout being capable of handling trains doing 100mph to and from York.Electric trains are generally capable of better acceleration at higher speeds, as this uses a large amount of power which electrics can draw from the wire but diesels can't carry with them without being inefficient and uneconomic (arguably true of Voyagers).
So it may be that these short increases were always possible but only worth bothering with when the line is going to be used by trains on electric power, which more able to take advantage of them.
The Transpennine Route Upgrade (TRU) East Alliance has taken another key step towards ensuring electric passenger trains can begin running between York and Church Fenton later this summer, after completing the final key element of electrification works.
Over the course of two days, the TRU East Alliance undertook tangential wiring work to connect the overhead wires running along the York to Leeds line to those on the East Coast Main Line at Colton Junction.
This is a unique and complex OLE section and is the only one of its kind in the UK.
What's the timescale for the conventional resignalling of the rather long block sections? Lots of new signal posts are in position and bagged over. I sampled a Class 802 from Manchester to Leeds - running late - and behind a stopper. The long block sections create delays at present.I think we are talking at least 5 years away from TRU ETCS, maybe more.
It will depend on progress with the ECML scheme, and maybe some on the northern WCML, not to mention the capital spend involved.
Good acceleration and braking means you can keep some lower speed restrictions because the train recovers back to a higher linespeed very quickly. A class 802 on electric is rapid to 90mph compared to legacy diesel stock such as 158's etc.I agree with the point about acceleration of modern EMUs, but the thing that seems odd to me is that it on some points of the route the linespeed is being increased, but only for a short section before dropping down to the legacy linespeed. E.g. going east from Leeds trains will be able to take advantage of the realigned curve around Neville Hill depot before accelerating up to 100mph but dropping down to the legacy 90mph beyond Crossgates all the way until after Church Fenton, despite the route between Cross Gates and Micklefield being geometrically capable of 110mph and the relatively new Micklefield turnout being capable of handling trains doing 100mph to and from York.
125mph is now Copmanthorpe No2 crossing to the river Wharfe on the Up Leeds and from Church Fenton to Colton North Jct on the Down Leeds line.
https://www.networkrail.co.uk/who-we-are/publications-and-resources/ Is worth keeping an eye on, as at the bottom is the current Enhancement works document. (Latest is March 2025) https://www.networkrail.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/CP7-EDP_March-2025.pdfWhat's the timescale for the conventional resignalling of the rather long block sections? Lots of new signal posts are in position and bagged over. I sampled a Class 802 from Manchester to Leeds - running late - and behind a stopper. The long block sections create delays at present.
I don't think "digital ready" means ETCS will be installed by then, just that the classic signalling will be from York ROC and in a compatible form for the ETCS overlay."W3 – Huddersfield to Ravensthorpe - Resignalling works (Digital ready)" is scoped for Feb 2030, according to the document.
I agree, but was just presenting what NR are publishing to aid understanding of some official sources of info. However, I think 'digital ready' could easily include ETCS overlay if design is at a suitable stage to include by then.I don't think "digital ready" means ETCS will be installed by then, just that the classic signalling will be from York ROC and in a compatible form for the ETCS overlay.
That phrase is absent from some sections of the schedule, notably Ravensthorpe-Leeds and Stalybridge-Hudderfield.
I should think the work going on to eliminate Diggle box should improve the classic signalling in the latter case.
The Micklehurst Loop diverted at Stalybridge to provide two separate double-track routes up opposite sides of the Tame Valley. While the Loop had some stations, these were closed around 1917 so apart from the power station and some other goods sidings it could really be considered part of the same route.Without trawling the thread, do we know how much of the current track bed formation was originally 3 or 4 tracks?
Yes, the "main line" was LNWR to Stockport and beyond, including through trains from Euston. The LNWR Manchester-Leeds trains had to use L&Y metals between Stalybridge and Manchester Exchange.The original LNWR 4 tracking plan commenced at Heaton Norris Junction, Stockport and seperate double tracks divided at Denton, one routed through Guide Bridge and the other the Guide Bridge avoiding line via Hooley Hill, they came together again at Stalybridge before dividing , as you say, beyond.
The line between Denton Station and Heaton Norris is reduced to a single line because the Dept of Transport would only pay for a single line bridge over the M60 . There was an third pair of lines between Denton and Stalybridge via Crowthorne, Ashton Moss South, OA&GB junction and Ashton Charlestown.
The Transpennine Route Upgrade work is progressing well at Hillhouse Sidings, Deighton Station and in Mirfield, where a new station entrance is being created
The Deighton and Mirfield works are certainly eye-catching in scale.Various works on you tube videos from here since the last post above on Thursday.
The subway at Batley is scheduled to be infilled during a 28-day blockade in June 2026The only thing I have seen about Batley is on the TRU website which states the "platforms at Batley station will be extended by 150 meters," and that a "new footbridge with lifts will be installed".
As for linespeed, it'll still be 75mph, most likely limited by geography.
Only a few years after the Friends Of Batley Station group painted the mural in there...The subway at Batley is scheduled to be infilled during a 28-day blockade in June 2026
Thanks. To be honest my internal sense of time was rather knocked out of kilter by COVID... Anything that happened before 2020 feels like forever ago!View attachment 178439
I think 2018
What are these for and going to be a while before anything electric uses it.An excellent view of the new sidings just east of Huddersfield station. Incredible really!
2020 BC - Before Covid rather than Before ChristThanks. To be honest my internal sense of time was rather knocked out of kilter by COVID... Anything that happened before 2020 feels like forever ago!
Hilhouse sidings replacing sidings at Huddersfield which are being turned into Platforms do you mean? Best to do the wiring now rather than have to take a another possession to wire the sidings and the disruption that causes nevermind where are the trains outstabled instead whilst the wiring is done.What are these for and going to be a while before anything electric uses it.