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Are National Rail Enquiries based at Ryde Pier Head?

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I was stuck at Yeovil one Saturday night last year and we rang The help button and found it very hard to get them to understand enlish
 
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I called not too long ago and I have no idea where they are based but it was a lady with an Indian accent. Not wanting to assume but do national rail have call centres in other countries too then or is it just the one in Isle of Wight?

Edit: upon reading other posts, I see they do.
 

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EDIT: and many UK companies realised years ago that outsourcing call centres to Mumbai etc. was a false economy, and brought them back to the UK. How typical of the railway to be behind the curve!
Yes, I really do think it would be better placed in the UK, primarily because it's often quite difficult to be understood. And that's coming from someone who today speaks with an entirely Southern English accent and dialect, in case anyone was wondering if that was down to the Canadian roots. If I have to repeat myself five times, I don't know how someone with a glorious thick Scouse or Geordie accent (love them) would get through.

I have the same experience calling Vodafone to be honest.
 

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What is the chance that the office above Ryde Pier Head is simply an automated switchboard with a few staff in keeping tabs over any faults?
I'm not sure if you were joking, but there is no office at Pier Head, for NRE or anything else. There's a waiting room for the ferry and a cafe, and that's about it. Tickets etc. are sold at the travel office at Esplanade, which is at the other end of the pier.
 

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I always think it odd that quite a lot of stations have CIS that default to telling you to call NRE if there's no information displayed.

The chances of them being able to tell you anything useful are minimal.
Not only that but in recent years one on the Overground was giving the number is 0845... where as I thought it was now 0345....
 

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If the railways were re-nationalised (OK, that's another discussion entirely (!) but let's suppose...) would we lose all the ticketing and enquiry sites like Trainline, Northern etc and simply have to rely one one, the NRE site/phone??
Ticketing sites - maybe, last we heard no.
Enquiry sites - no, unless there's a drastic reversal in policy. Currently, all train running data is public and anyone (myself included!) can operate such a site without any sort of commercial relationship, and I don't see why that would need to change with any reforms.
 

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Where the help point buttons connects through to varies greatly depending on the TOC that manages the station.

These are the ones that i know of:

Chiltern Railways:
• Assistance: NRE - Mumbai India
****no other buttons****

Great Northern:
• Information: NRE - Mumbai India
• Emergency: GTR Control - Three Bridges ROC

Great Western Railway:
• Information: NRE - Mumbai India
• Emergency: GWR Control - Swindon

London North Eastern Railway:
• Information: LNER Control - York ROC
• Emergency: LNER Control - York ROC

London North Western Railway:
• Information: WMT Control - Birmingham
• Emergency: 999

Scotrail:
• Information: Dunfermline Control or Paisley Control
• Emergency: Dunfermline Control or Paisley Control

South Western Railway:
• Information: SWR Control - Basingstoke (but automatically redirects to NRE in Mumbai India if they do not pick up within a certain amount of seconds)
• Emergency: British Transport Police (0800 405040)

Southeastern
• Information: NRE - Mumbai India
• Assistance: SE Control - London KICC

Southern:
• Information: NRE - Mumbai India
• Emergency: GTR Control - Three Bridges ROC

Thameslink:
• Information: NRE - Mumbai India
• Emergency: GTR Control - Three Bridges ROC

West Midlands Railway:
• Information: WMT Control - Birmingham
• Emergency: 999

I am not sure about the other TOCs other than these ones.

So what happens when you press each button hugely varies depending on each TOCs.
The last time I used one in the North...

Northern:
• Information: toss up between NRE in Mumbai or control in York (usually dependant on the time of day).
• Emergency: never pressed it in case it went through to the police.

Either way its quite worrying that that there is no consistancy.
 

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How many of you can remember when each individual station had its own landline telephone number? And staff to answer when you rang? Not that they were always intelligible, or had any useful or accurate information to impart.
 

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The vast majority of Help Point calls on our network, whether the assistance or emergency button is pressed, aren't genuine. It's often kids playing around, someone just pushing it for the sake of it and walking off etc etc.

For that reason, I think it would be folly to route emergency calls straight to a 999 operator. The TOC Control is the obvious home for them as the calls can be triaged, and contact made directly with the police / power isolated if necessary etc.

FWIW, we are in the process of renaming all of our "Emergency" buttons to "Assistance" as if someone is in difficulty with their journey or needs help boarding the train etc. we don't want them to be put off from pressing it as they probably wouldn't consider it an "Emergency"

We're also going to be putting QR codes on our Help Points which will encourage users to start a WhatsApp conversation with us as it's ultimately the same team who will be dealing with the enquiry and from a customer experience perspective, having a conversation on your own device - under cover - is a lot better than shouting into a lolipop on a wind / rain swept platform where everyone can hear the conversation!
Does it have to be Whatsapp or would it work through standard SMS?
 

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Not only that but in recent years one on the Overground was giving the number is 0845... where as I thought it was now 0345....
Both numbers will connect, but the 0845 is rather considerably more expensive.
 

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How many of you can remember when each individual station had its own landline telephone number? And staff to answer when you rang? Not that they were always intelligible, or had any useful or accurate information to impart.

Yes indeed - if I wanted travel info I'd always phone the number for the nearest main station on the relevant route - and generally got through to someone who knew what they were talking about and was keen to be helpful...
 

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Indeed and I thought 0845 numbers weren't supposed to be used now in caes such as this.
Nothing prevents providers (outside financial services where stricter rules apply) from operating whatever numbers they like for customer contact, as long as at least one of them is a "normal rate" number, generally interpreted as 01, 02, 03 or 080. The law says customers making post-sale enquiries must not be "bound to pay more than the normal rate".
 

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Does it have to be Whatsapp or would it work through standard SMS?
It'll be WhatsApp only (certainly initially) with demand for old fashioned SMS being very much on the decline these days. Definitely something we could look at if there was a real demand for it, but offering either speaking with someone through the Help Point or via WhatsApp, seems a reasonable offering?
 

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I remember using the help point at Dronfield when attending a RailUK meal in circa 2013 to find out when the next train to Denton was. It connected to India and they thought their computer was broken as there were no trains coming up.
 

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National Rail Enquiries are based in Mumbai in India in an outsourced call centre. If you phone 03457 484950 you get connected to their Mumbai in India call centre. They have no staff in the UK answering phones.
Thats right,used to be in Cardiff
 

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It'll be WhatsApp only (certainly initially) with demand for old fashioned SMS being very much on the decline these days. Definitely something we could look at if there was a real demand for it, but offering either speaking with someone through the Help Point or via WhatsApp, seems a reasonable offering?
SMS is certainly old-fashioned, but every single phone from every manufacturer still has access to it, and it works without a data connection. Not everyone has Whatsapp installed (or even wants to, speaking personally), and there's plenty of stations out there with little-to-no 4G coverage.

I certainly appreciate that SMS usage is only going down and developing for multiple platforms adds complexity and cost. Please don't take this as an attack as I think adding a text chat service is a brilliant idea, but I strongly feel that private apps or services shouldn't take the place of more widely accessible options, particularly for things like accessing helplines.

(Another personal bugbear is What3Words, an app with a lot of flashy marketing and venture capital funding behind it but which adds no utility over simple GPS co-ordinates - which every phone sold in the last 15 years can access, and again without a mobile data connection. And when it goes wrong, it can have very serious consequences.)
 

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I was in Kendal once trying to find the time of a train going south, and I was repeatedly assured that there is no such station.
How would they deal with this…

Hello, could you tell me the time of the next train from
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch to Llanfairfechan please
8-)
 

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How would they deal with this…

Hello, could you tell me the time of the next train from
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch to Llanfairfechan please
8-)
Surely no worse than how the National Rail Enquiries app on my Android phone deals with the first station..... it doesn't! No station found.

I am assuming you spelt it correctly.
 
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Yes indeed - if I wanted travel info I'd always phone the number for the nearest main station on the relevant route - and generally got through to someone who knew what they were talking about and was keen to be helpful...
You were spoilt if you "generally got through". We had a choice of two main stations to call, neither of which was likely to answer - and if someone did answer, they were at best unenthusiastic and often downright unhelpful.

The situation did have the good result that at a relatively early age I learnt how to plan journeys using the published timetable books that were available in the local public library. Separate books by region when I started doing that!
 

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You were spoilt if you "generally got through". We had a choice of two main stations to call, neither of which was likely to answer - and if someone did answer, they were at best unenthusiastic and often downright unhelpful.

The situation did have the good result that at a relatively early age I learnt how to plan journeys using the published timetable books that were available in the local public library. Separate books by region when I started doing that!

Being London based meant being able to choose to ring a number at the relevant London terminal - the various phone numbers were in the phone book. I accept that I was in a better situation than many.
 

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SMS is certainly old-fashioned, but every single phone from every manufacturer still has access to it, and it works without a data connection. Not everyone has Whatsapp installed (or even wants to, speaking personally), and there's plenty of stations out there with little-to-no 4G coverage.

I certainly appreciate that SMS usage is only going down and developing for multiple platforms adds complexity and cost. Please don't take this as an attack as I think adding a text chat service is a brilliant idea, but I strongly feel that private apps or services shouldn't take the place of more widely accessible options, particularly for things like accessing helplines.

(Another personal bugbear is What3Words, an app with a lot of flashy marketing and venture capital funding behind it but which adds no utility over simple GPS co-ordinates - which every phone sold in the last 15 years can access, and again without a mobile data connection. And when it goes wrong, it can have very serious consequences.)
That's a fair point - obviously there are costs associated with SMS as well from a business point of view. But it's definitely something we'd look at if the demand was there.
 

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The vast majority of Help Point calls on our network, whether the assistance or emergency button is pressed, aren't genuine. It's often kids playing around, someone just pushing it for the sake of it and walking off etc etc.

For that reason, I think it would be folly to route emergency calls straight to a 999 operator. The TOC Control is the obvious home for them as the calls can be triaged, and contact made directly with the police / power isolated if necessary etc.

FWIW, we are in the process of renaming all of our "Emergency" buttons to "Assistance" as if someone is in difficulty with their journey or needs help boarding the train etc. we don't want them to be put off from pressing it as they probably wouldn't consider it an "Emergency"

We're also going to be putting barcodes on our Help Points which will encourage users to start a WhatsApp conversation with us as it's ultimately the same team who will be dealing with the enquiry and from a customer experience perspective, having a conversation on your own device - under cover - is a lot better than shouting into a lolipop on a wind / rain swept platform where everyone can hear the conversation!
WhatsApp etc sounds useful, but not 100% sure about use of barcode

There’s been a few instances of scammers putting their own barcode on top of real ones at car parks - to scam people out of money.

Obviously in this case it’s less likely to be money related, but could still be an issue.
 

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