fgwrich
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Surprised it hasn’t been mentioned yet, but 8428 has moved to Eastleigh Works today.
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Eastleigh Arlington or Eastleigh (Arriva) TMD where the 701s are stored?
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Presumably Arlington if 458428 was on this
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Realtime Trains | 5Q77 1115 Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh Arlington (Zg) | 26/02/2024
Real-time train running information for 5Q77 1115 departure from Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh Arlington (Zg) on 26/02/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Presumably Arlington if 458428 was on this
Realtime Trains | 5Q77 1115 Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh Arlington (Zg) | 26/02/2024
Real-time train running information for 5Q77 1115 departure from Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Eastleigh Arlington (Zg) on 26/02/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
I was told that 458423 was with 458428 yesterday on 5Q77 unless anyone knows differently of course.
fgwrich
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Certainly Arlington. It’s parked up on the juice next to the 313.
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How many 5 cars remain at Wimbledon please?
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Today 22 of 24(23) 458s out 
All booked workings plus
Extra pair replaces 455s on Reading curcuit and after midday out of Wimbledon single 45835 on Shepperton curciut.
All booked workings plus Extra pair replaces 455s on Reading curcuit and after midday out of Wimbledon single 45835 on Shepperton curciut.
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8535 couldn’t wait as its running around the Kingston loop this morning.Today 22 of 24(23) 458s out
Extra pair replaces 455s on Reading curcuit and after midday out of Wimbledon single 45835 on Shepperton curciut.
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Were these confirmed as per the unit numbers presumed in this post?Paths for the transfer of, presumably, 458420 from Widnes to SWR and 458522 from SWR to Widnes are now on RTT
Monday 26th February 2024
5F62 1150 Leicester L.I.P. to Widnes Transport Tech
Realtime Trains | 5F62 1150 Leicester L.I.P. to Widnes Transport Tech | 26/02/2024
Real-time train running information for 5F62 1150 departure from Leicester L.I.P. to Widnes Transport Tech on 26/02/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
5Q62 1854 Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7
Realtime Trains | 5Q62 1854½ Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7 | 26/02/2024
Real-time train running information for 5Q62 1854½ departure from Widnes Transport Tech to Wembley Receptions 1-7 on 26/02/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Tuesday 27th February 2024
5X62 0531 Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D
Realtime Trains | 5X62 0531 Wembley Receptions 1-7 to Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D | 27/02/2024
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5Q64 1315 Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Widnes Transport Tech
Realtime Trains | 5Q64 1315 Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Widnes Transport Tech | 27/02/2024
Real-time train running information for 5Q64 1315 departure from Bournemouth T&R.S.M.D to Widnes Transport Tech on 27/02/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Also, I am playing a bit of catch up after a week out and about - did 424 return back to Bournemouth at some point recently?
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Wimbledon to Newport Docks most likely !
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Nobody can say. It’s been regularly posted here that they won’t enter service at all.
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With Class 37's providing the power.
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And confirmed by SWR that "there are no current plans to use them".
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Now SWR is making a big mistake the way the Class 458 is going. And a very big one when they did away with the 442 after such investment.
They’re just playing then caring about their passengers - OLR them!
They’re just playing then caring about their passengers - OLR them!
OLR will hardly make any difference, it'll just mean that it's directly controlled by the DfT, rather than by proxy.
Out of interest have you read any of this thread? I know there’s 82 pages so a lot to read if you’ve not watched this topic progress.
Essentially the general understanding is that when the contracts were drawn up, it was expected that the Portsmouth lines would recover better than they have after Covid. The cancellation of the contract is believed to have been more expensive than completing the project.
The units after completion could in theory go back on any number of service groups, however the cost of crew training may exclude certain routes, and their layout would mean they’re less suitable for some work than other work.
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That's a very good answer cos' that's the most likely route now, going on worst groups history with trains!!
Snow1964
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No one knows, although every few weeks somebody seems to hear an unfounded rumour.
What is factual is SWR have already had their 2 year management contract extension granted (from May 2023 to 24 May 2025), so there is a chance another operator with different ideas will be around in 15 months, and prefer the 458s
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The only alternative operator it could be is the Operator of Last Resort, and that can't come quickly enough in SWR's case.
OneTrackMinded
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DFT would never do that with the Arterios slowly entering service. They'll just be awarded another extension or a new franchise agreement
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Three points:
1. The general expectation is that there'll be a change of government later this year. Labour have stated that all contracts will be taken over by the Operator of Last Resort as and when they expire.
2. There are no franchises. They were all terminated and replaced euth management contracts. None have been let for several years, and nor will there be. The private sector would be unable to price in a realistic level of risk in the current environment.
3. Over on another thread it's been stated that training has not started on the Arterios and it sounds like there's no prospect of it ever happening.
D6130
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If that's the case, how come there were Arterio units in passenger service - albeit very briefly - on the Windsor line a few weeks ago? Were they staffed by managers/instructors?
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That is what is claimed. They're still being used daily on two additional round trips daily Mon-Fri, but it seems utterly pointless.
There are several daily SWR training runs operating, mass training will commence at some point. I’d imagine the daily 5Qxx runs operated by SWR are for instructors / training school.
The 458s are unlikely to run in passenger service which is a waste I agree, but in your perfect world what (sensible) suggestion do you have? How do you get them back into service at absolute minimum cost? I believe there’s a conversion course required for the 458/4s although it’s only a day for each grade.
norbitonflyer
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Whatever the cost, it must be less than bringing an entirely new and as yet unbuilt class into service. South Easterm will be looking for replacements for their Networkers soon
Yes but you’re comparing apples and oranges, the 701 introduction is not relevant to the 458 reintroduction. If anything they would probably abstract from each other, so do you push on with the 701s or do you pause the 701s to reintroduce the 458s on some lines? Or do you P-code passenger services (probably Windsor and suburban services) to provide enough drivers for both projects? I can’t see SE OLR taking on either fleet. The 701s are not going anywhere other than the South Western contract. The 458s could potentially go to SE but why would they want them?
They'd make a suitable replacement for the 465/9s.
Would they? They’re only 8 or so years younger.
I’m reluctant to make this into speculative discussion so I won’t continue, but I am interested as to what features the 458/4s have that would make them suitable to replace the longer distance 465s, and why other potentially available fleets (350/2s after DC conversation) would not be better.