Fully mobilised? That sounds bad. Where did you get these reports?Possible Major Escalation. Reports that Hizbollah have fully mobilized near Israels Northern Border
Israel are clearly trying to avoid civilian casualties, Hamas deliberately targeted civilians, the elderly, and children.Yes you keep repeating that but it doesn't change the facts.
Do you deny that Israel will continually ensure that disproportionately more deaths will be inflicted for retaliation purposes?
Terrorist organisations are rightly condemned but no state should act in this way; this isn't defence, this is retaliation and oppression by a state.
By behaving in such a manner they are only going to increase the response from terrorists; it's completely counter productive and disgusting for any state to behave in such a way.
Russia wants a diversion of attention, money, and weapons. So it encouraged its ally Iran, who want to stop an Israeli peace deal with the Saudis, to tell its puppets Hamas to sacrifice their children yet again.Leaving all questions of ethics and morality aside. I am trying to work out what exactly Hamas are trying to achieve by doing this since they can't hope to win a military battle.
The only thing I can think it is a Grotesque trolling strategy to provoke Israel into an equally grotesque overreaction causing a grade 1 humanitarian disaster in Gaza with the purpose of claiming genocide and widening the conflict (with no regards by Hamas for the welfare of those they govern to put it mildly).
Based on reports this morning, I fear Israel may take the bait, whether others do remains to be seen.
How this will interplay with Russia /Ukraine (or how much it already is behind the scenes) remains to be seen.
Israel are clearly trying to avoid civilian casualties, Hamas deliberately targeted civilians, the elderly, and children.
A monumentally self-defeating act if so.Possible Major Escalation. Reports that Hizbollah have fully mobilized near Israels Northern Border.
Also reports that preparations are being made for Palestinian President Abbas to visit Russia.
Meanwhile, it's been reported that in Australia in Sydney a Pro-Palestinian protest has been reported in chanting 'gas the Jews'. No other group of people in the world has this. No other country has to fight so hard for its existence. No other country is judged as harshly as Israel for it's mistakes. Can you imagine if we in Britain suffered a terrorist attack killing thousands of people, and then in the aftermath has protests against us around the world, calling for our destruction and that actually we should all be murdered? I can't imagine what Israelis and Jews around the world are going through right now
'Current' crisis? Is it not a sad continuation of the crisis since the Palestinians lost their lands and were uncermoniously dumped in Gaza?I'm not a fan of Netanyahu especially, I consider him militant, but this current crisis was, unambiguously, started by Hamas.
'Current' crisis? Is it not a sad continuation of the crisis since the Palestinians lost their lands and were uncermoniously dumped in Gaza?
Agreed. Those who attended should be identifed and arrested. Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation. Plus those taking part were clearly inciting and threatening racial and religious violence.In light of the last few day’s horrific events, I find it abhorrent that people are just pushing it all aside and offering their support to this appalling movement.
Israel has been killing and maiming Palestinians for years but these atrocities haven't had the media coverage....How about the current crisis in which Israel, without acting, had it's civillians taken and killed? Without the dramatics, you know what was meant.
I'm not going to defend everything that Israel does, but it doesn't deliberately kill civilians.Israel has been killing and maiming Palestinians for years but these atrocities haven't had the media coverage....
Absolutely, and unfortunately a lot of it is anti-Semitism disguised as being anti-Israel. A lot on the left don't seem to look in the mirror and wonder why they have such a blind spot towards the only Jewish majority country.there is a definite blind spot on parts the British left in relation to Palestine. Look at Corbyn, cant condemn Hamas and instead tries to mealy mouth it to avoid direct criticism and draw false equivalency. Very poor and very confused.
'Current' crisis? Is it not a sad continuation of the crisis since the Palestinians lost their lands and were uncermoniously dumped in Gaza?
there is a definite blind spot on parts the British left in relation to Palestine. Look at Corbyn, cant condemn Hamas and instead tries to mealy mouth it to avoid direct criticism and draw false equivalency. Very poor and very confused.
Meanwhile, it's been reported that in Australia in Sydney a Pro-Palestinian protest has been reported in chanting 'gas the Jews'. No other group of people in the world has this. No other country has to fight so hard for its existence. No other country is judged as harshly as Israel for it's mistakes. Can you imagine if we in Britain suffered a terrorist attack killing thousands of people, and then in the aftermath has protests against us around the world, calling for our destruction and that actually we should all be murdered? I can't imagine what Israelis and Jews around the world are going through right now
I was back in London yesterday afternoon and evening. More specifically Mayfair then Kensington. Some of the language and slogans that I saw of those heading to the Israeli embassy to protest was shocking. And these looked like fairly wealthy types probably with money and influence.
If there was to be an escalation and we became involved, the potential for major civil disorder here would be huge.
Israel has been killing and maiming Palestinians for years but these atrocities haven't had the media coverage....
there is a definite blind spot on parts the British left in relation to Palestine. Look at Corbyn, cant condemn Hamas and instead tries to mealy mouth it to avoid direct criticism and draw false equivalency. Very poor and very confused.
Probably not the "modern day left" in general to be fair. For example, most left-wing contributors on here appear to be of the view that Hamas, and not Israel, are the aggressors in the current situation.Another of the great contradictions of the modern day left.
They give unwavering support to causes that are rooted in beliefs and doctrine that are diametrically opposite and should be fundamentally abhorrent, to their core beliefs.
The issue with this is that the Netanyahu government may claim it "doesn't target civilians" while provably killing thousands of unarmed ordinary citizens per year through indiscriminately bombing built up areas. Simply claiming without evidence that these are "military targets" doesn't mean this bombing is less of a war crime. Of course nobody says that it's not a war crime murdering people at a music festival and taking hostages, whom you then threaten to and actually do murder later. Or indeed a whole host of other things the IDF, the settler groups and Hamas and Hizbollah do.Israel are clearly trying to avoid civilian casualties, Hamas deliberately targeted civilians, the elderly, and children.
These groups don't have any meaningful support in this country though. In general it'd be an offence to support them. However the ordinary residents of Gaza and the occupied Palestinian territory do have significant support from voices based here. Who else is going to support them? Few voices who are actually nearby, which is why they attract international support in more democratic countries.Hamas, Hezbollah and the other radical groups, are fundamentalist islamist movements.
They oppose democracy, diversity and their ultimate declared aims are to establish and enforce what could be described as de-facto Neo facist state.
Moderate Palestine voices are drowned out and have no influence or sway.
Why on earth would anyone on the left support this?
Madness !
One of the great ironies about the whole situation is that the Arab countries use the Palestinians as useful martyrs, rather than actually helping them.The issue with this is that the Netanyahu government may claim it "doesn't target civilians" while provably killing thousands of unarmed ordinary citizens per year through indiscriminately bombing built up areas. Simply claiming without evidence that these are "military targets" doesn't mean this bombing is less of a war crime. Of course nobody says that it's not a war crime murdering people at a music festival and taking hostages, whom you then threaten to and actually do murder later. Or indeed a whole host of other things the IDF, the settler groups and Hamas and Hizbollah do.
These groups don't have any meaningful support in this country though. In general it'd be an offence to support them. However the ordinary residents of Gaza and the occupied Palestinian territory do have significant support from voices based here. Who else is going to support them? Few voices who are actually nearby, which is why they attract international support in more democratic countries.
Israel have announced a total blockade of the Gaza Strip, explicitly stating that not even food and water will be allowed through. That is hardly "trying to avoid civilian casualties"!Israel are clearly trying to avoid civilian casualties
Indeed. The Lebanese, Egyptian and Iranian leaders certainly don't care about the ordinary Gazans any more than Netanyahu and his cronies do. And now some of the aid on which nearly all Gazans rely to get food and clean water is being cut off at its source also.One of the great ironies about the whole situation is that the Arab countries use the Palestinians as useful martyrs, rather than actually helping them.
Just look at how Egypt actually joins in with blockade of Gaza.
So what should the Israeli authorities do in response to a terrorist attack on thier citizens? They have to respond.The issue with this is that the Netanyahu government may claim it "doesn't target civilians" while provably killing thousands of unarmed ordinary citizens per year through indiscriminately bombing built up areas. Simply claiming without evidence that these are "military targets" doesn't mean this bombing is less of a war crime. Of course nobody says that it's not a war crime murdering people at a music festival and taking hostages, whom you then threaten to and actually do murder later. Or indeed a whole host of other things the IDF, the settler groups and Hamas and Hizbollah do.