Absolutely. I was on the Bakerloo line last night and the trains felt decrepit.
Nobody can deny it has character, though!
Absolutely. I was on the Bakerloo line last night and the trains felt decrepit.
Doesn't mean that its desirable or acceptable though. After all, Jimmy Saville had character....Nobody can deny it has character, though!
Doesn't mean that its desirable or acceptable though. After all, Jimmy Saville had character....
Beat me to it!Now then, now then!
I walked straight into that one, didn't l? LolNow then, now then!
They had a refresh (seat coverings and flooring) only a couple of years ago.They'll be able to charge more for the line being a museum. Seriously though if that ends up being the plan there will be a fairly hefty and expensive refurb needed at which point you'd have to ask if it's not more cost effective to bring in new trains.
That was a lot more than a refresh. Major corrosion repair work. I really don't care what is being done they still look old, tired and neglected and massively past their best before date.They had a refresh (seat coverings and flooring) only a couple of years ago.
They're getting new PAs and digital screens, new lighting and wheelchair bays added as we speak.
I know they are old but I really like these trains... Luckily some will be preserved... I much prefer them to the 1992 and 2009 stocksThat was a lot more than a refresh. Major corrosion repair work. I really don't care what is being done they still look old, tired and neglected and massively past their best before date.
You do wonder how much they can patch and repair corrosion before the carriages wouldn't hold up in a crash anymore...That was a lot more than a refresh. Major corrosion repair work. I really don't care what is being done they still look old, tired and neglected and massively past their best before date.
It's not the case of holding up in a crash - it's a case of holding up in day-to-day service. That's why the heavy welding work was done on the 72 stock.You do wonder how much they can patch and repair corrosion before the carriages wouldn't hold up in a crash anymore...
The 1972 stock is completely knackered, if it’s not replaced on the Bakerloo line the line will simply grind to a halt, they’ll not make it to 2040.The Bakerloo trains might last till 2040 due to TFL having no money
I notice that the power is given as 2500 kW. That seems an awful lot...Like having a Deltic on the front..Today, Siemens’ social media accounts have presented the final design of the new Piccadilly line tube trains.
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Here is the press release with a lot of information and a few pictures, outside and inside: https://www.mobility.siemens.com/gl...nces/metro-london.html?linkId=300000000971683
As well as a datasheet with some technical information: https://assets.new.siemens.com/siem...ity-piccadilly-line-tube-train-data-sheet.pdf
They are designed for meeting the demands of ato with a full load. Additional power doesn't add significantly to the tare weight and it doesn't add to the energy cost when not used.I notice that the power is given as 2500 kW. That seems an awful lot...Like having a Deltic on the front..
I know of one regular commuter into Kings cross on the METYes. I must say, in all my years of using the tube, I don’t think I’ve once seen a wheelchair user on the network.
They are designed for meeting the demands of ato with a full load. Additional power doesn't add significantly to the tare weight and it doesn't add to the energy cost when not used.
Approvals by the Commissioner
6.1 Since the last meeting of the Committee, the Commissioner has approved three Procurement Authority requests in respect of matters within the Committee’s remit. These related to: Piccadilly Line Upgrade Track – Manufacturing Contract for 21.6km of Composite Conductor Rail and Accessories; London-wide Ultra Low Emission Zone (Road User Charging 2023 Scheme) – Drawdown; and the variation of the Managed Services contract to cover additional business critical changes to the SAP system.
Then again, the power supply, distribution components and traction equipment will be running well within its capability for more time, ensuring longer service life. So that will mitigate some of the additional capital cost with a lower running cost as well as providing smoother speed profiles and better disruption recovery.However it does add to the cost of the infrastructure, the Piccadilly line is having to have power supply and conductor rails upgraded to handle it. The 21.6km of composite conductor rail cannot be cheap as it needed approval by the Commissioner. (per TfL Board Committee minutes)
Maybe I'm weird but as a teenager I used to deliberately ride in the Standard stock trailers, as the noises were more fun.Absolutely. I was on the Bakerloo line last night and the trains felt decrepit.
Yes I remember thos on the Central Line. In the end cars, there was the grind/whine from the drive pinions and the clunky stepping up of the contactors. In the trailers it was the wind up and down of the donkey compressors after every stop.Maybe I'm weird but as a teenager I used to deliberately ride in the Standard stock trailers, as the noises were more fun.
although off-topic for this thread, Standard Stock compressors were in the equipment compartment behind the driving cabIn the trailers it was the wind up and down of the donkey compressors after every stop .
I'm talking about the Standard Stock trailers that were converted in 1938 to run with 1938 TS on the Bakerloo. There were fifty-eight of them, and they were known as '58 stock'. The first was withdrawn when it telescoped when a 1938 train had an argument at Watford with an LMR train of the later TOPS class 501, and the last in 1973.although off-topic for this thread, Standard Stock compressors were in the equipment compartment behind the driving cab
I was replying to the comment about Standard Stock trailers on the Central Line.I'm talking about the Standard Stock trailers that were converted in 1938 to run with 1938 TS on the Bakerloo.
Unfortunately (only) slightly before my time. I was just in time for complete trains of Standard stock on the Northern City.I was replying to the comment about Standard Stock trailers on the Central Line.
But they could be heard from the trailers when stationary.although off-topic for this thread, Standard Stock compressors were in the equipment compartment behind the driving cab
The LED lights and new flooring on some make a big difference. Throw in the latest RVAR refresh and it’ll help with the appearance, but the trains are janky when they’re on the move for sure.Absolutely. I was on the Bakerloo line last night and the trains felt decrepit.
You suppose wellI don't' suppose replacement stock on the Bakerloo will have transverse seating?
I don't' suppose replacement stock on the Bakerloo will have transverse seating?
So the first change to Underground livery in 30 years!The first body shell has been painted in LU livery at the factory in Vienna.
it is as the first post in this thread, with thin blue line immediately below the windows